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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: bustergut on Wednesday 09 June 10 13:01 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Hoping somebody might have some local knowledge of Dublin, or know if there are any old maps of the city online.
I have found my grandad's family at Robert Street, Usher's Quay, but the only Robert Street I can find in modern Dublin is much further north, near Croke Park.
Does anyone know if my Robert Street is a different one, which has maybe disappeared, or did Usher's Quay DED stretch to the north?
Thanks in advance
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You can check old maps here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,438321.0.html
Also, there's a 1904 Street Index on the same link that might help.
Dara.
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Hi ,your Robert street is part of Guinness's complex now and although
theres a street sign which says Robert street it's inside a gate.
If you go to the resources board at the top of this board I'm sure there is a link to old maps but in the meantime I'll try to find something for you.
Anne
oops sorry Dara
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This shows where it is.
Anne
edit. removed because for some reason my link went to another Robert street on the north side but if you search the googlemaps for Robert street Dublin 8 you will find it .
Anne
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The 1904 index shows Robert St is off Rainsforth St, off Thomas Court, off Thomas St.
This map shows as far as Rainsforth St.
http://ims0.osiemaps.ie/website/publicviewer/main.aspx#V1,714394,733829,7
The map in the previous link appears to show the one near Croke Park.
Just got me wondering: Is this Robert St connect with Robert Emmett who was executed near here?
Dara.
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You are right Dara but it's just a glitch with googlemaps and as I said above if you put Robert street Dublin 8 then it will go to the correct location.
Anne
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Sorry Anne,
Didn't see your edit until now.
Dara.
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Thanks to all for your help.
This confirms an auntie's uncertain memory that the family lived on Marrowbone Lane - they lived just off it.
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Hello there.
I had ancestors on the same Robert Street, What number are your family listed as living at and when?
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Dara
M'Cready dated Roberts's Street back to 1756 and questions whether the derivation of the name is from John Robartes, Lord Robartes L.L. 1669-1670.
Regards Quaxer
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Hello dabirchall,
My family lived at 9 Robert Street in 1901, but appears to have moved across the road to number 18 by 1911.
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Oh ok, It seems to have been a busy place! I had one set living at No 2 from at least 1840 until at least 1866 (they moved around the corner to Bond Street where they stayed until 1900) and then others in Nos 10 and 12 ending in 1875.
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Hi guys,
Sorry to hijack the thread but it's a very close topic and you all seem to have a handle on things! I'm also trying to find a s road in Ushers Quay. This time it's Rutland Avenue listed as an address in the 1901 census.
I've checked out all the links that I think are relevant in the Resources section e.g. Dublin 1904 street index, the old maps on osi.ie, googlemaps and google itself (hence arriving here :) )
There is a Rutland Avenue further south close to Parnell Road but that seems a long way from Ushers Quay. Can anyone shed some light on where I can look next ???
Thanks in advance.
Jen
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Hi Jen, could Ushers Quay mean the D.E.D
or district electoral division only.I think the
Rutland ave you found is the correct one. Anne
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I agree. I think Ushers Quay is the just the "ward" or "division" into which it fell, Ushers Quay was e.g. a division of Dublin for the purposes of the 1901 and 1911 census
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Ok that's brilliant, thanks peeps :)
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I don't suppose anyone would know where I can find a map of the D.E.D.'s and the area they covered in the 1900's ?
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There are ward boundaries shown on the 1890s OSI maps - but these did sometimes change so I'm not certain they follow the same boundaries as the 1901/1911 census. See : Dublin City (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,714695,734430,7) (press 8 to see the 1890s map)
I can look up street in a 1904 directory and work out which ward they are included in if that's any use...
To see a list of the streets included in the Usher's Quay Ward in 1901 - see : link (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Ushers_Quay/)
Shane
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just read the earlier posts ... are you looking for the DED maps to try to locate Rutland Avenue ?
Shane
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Yes Rutland Ave and a couple of other addresses that I think are all very close now that I have a better understanding of the boundaries and districts.
Thanks for your help :)
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I had a look at some of the details for Rutland Ave on the census and one of the Census form N's the enumerator has noted the address as Rutland Ave., Dolphin's Barn... which might help narrow down your search area.
see : link (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003694673/) (top right of the form)
edit : He's also crossed out his initial DED entry of Rathfarnham and replaced with Usher's Quay .. so that would seem to indicate that it towards the south of the district.
Shane
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Thanks again Shane :)
I've been looking for 3/4 addresses for a couple of weeks now that are all in within a couple of miles of each other but the districts are confusing me. It's tough to understand the relationship between Rathfarnham, Dolphins Barn, Ushers Quay, Rathmines, Templeogue, Tallagh and Terenure especially when the politicians keep moving the boundaries!
I've been going around in circles for a bit but now I think the best thing it just to make a good guess and stick with it ;D