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Title: 1891 Census - Anyone read this French placename?
Post by: Jamie_W75 on Monday 07 June 10 16:08 BST (UK)
Hi,

 Please can anybody read this French birthplace? It's from the 1891 census of Epping, Essex for a Josephine Collin.

 I have her on the 1901 census but she is not as specific with her birthplace, simply says 'France - French Subject'.

thanks
  Jamie
Title: Re: 1891 Census - Anyone read this French placename?
Post by: davidrigg3 on Monday 07 June 10 16:16 BST (UK)
France Dep' Le L??? Cambrai - maybe??
Title: Re: 1891 Census - Anyone read this French placename?
Post by: genjen on Monday 07 June 10 16:21 BST (UK)
I think it might be Dep La Somme, Cambrai
 
Jen
Title: Re: 1891 Census - Anyone read this French placename?
Post by: Redroger on Monday 07 June 10 16:30 BST (UK)
I thought it was "Dept. de La Seine, Cambrai?"
Title: Re: 1891 Census - Anyone read this French placename?
Post by: apwright on Monday 07 June 10 16:33 BST (UK)
FindMyPast says "Dep. La Seine Comlevoie", but there's no such place.
The image is a lot clearer on FindMyPast, and I reckon it's Courbevoie/Seine.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courbevoie

Adrian
Title: Re: 1891 Census - Anyone read this French placename?
Post by: genjen on Monday 07 June 10 16:35 BST (UK)
It does look more like Seine but  that doesn't fit with Cambrai, which is much further north. On the CWGC sites, it comes within the Nord pas de Calais Dept but Wiki names it on the Dep La Somme.

I like Courbevoie/Seine though.

Jen
Title: Re: 1891 Census - Anyone read this French placename?
Post by: chinakay on Monday 07 June 10 16:39 BST (UK)
The first word will likely be Departement, an administrative division similar to a county.

But the Dept of the Somme is its own Dept, and isn't in Cambrai.

How about Dep[t] La Loire, Cordemais.

Cheers,
China
Title: Re: 1891 Census - Anyone read this French placename?
Post by: snaptoo on Monday 07 June 10 16:46 BST (UK)
Sorry, do not agree with Somme. The first letter looks the same as the 'L' of Le.

I cannot come up with any better idea, but might this help?

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Cambrai,+France

snaptoo
Title: Re: 1891 Census - Anyone read this French placename?
Post by: apwright on Monday 07 June 10 16:48 BST (UK)
Here's the same image from FindMyPast. Pretty sure it's Courbevoie, Dep. de la [Haut-]Seine.
Title: Re: 1891 Census - Anyone read this French placename?
Post by: chinakay on Monday 07 June 10 16:56 BST (UK)
Yes, that's it for sure.

What a disgraceful scan that first image is!
Title: Re: 1891 Census - Anyone read this French placename?
Post by: Redroger on Monday 07 June 10 17:23 BST (UK)
I agree with Chinakay on both counts.Did you have to pay money for access to that first scan? If so, it was barefaced robbery!
Title: Re: 1891 Census - Anyone read this French placename?
Post by: genjen on Monday 07 June 10 17:28 BST (UK)
That's a much clearer image and quite plainly Seine and Courbevoie. How can two versions of the same image be so very different in quality?
Title: Re: 1891 Census - Anyone read this French placename?
Post by: Redroger on Monday 07 June 10 17:41 BST (UK)
See my previous post, would suggest the better image was paid for.
Title: Re: 1891 Census - Anyone read this French placename?
Post by: chinakay on Monday 07 June 10 17:51 BST (UK)
The first image has been scanned at a very low resolution, which takes less time but is unclear when enlarged. We see it all the time on the photo board.
Title: Re: 1891 Census - Anyone read this French placename?
Post by: Jamie_W75 on Monday 07 June 10 20:31 BST (UK)
Thankyou all so much for your help, great to have a definite answer in the end.

regards Jamie

FYI the original scan came from thegenealogist.co.uk
Title: Re: 1891 Census - Anyone read this French placename?
Post by: Redroger on Tuesday 08 June 10 08:28 BST (UK)
Not the best advert. for their product!