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Some Special Interests => Occupation Interests => Topic started by: delta59 on Monday 07 June 10 14:34 BST (UK)
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Hello
I have Watermen in Cheshire mid 19th cen and Tailors in Cheshire mid 19th cen.
Looking for any info to add to my family files on the above occupations.
Many thanks
Del
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Hi Delta
A waterman was someone who ferried people across the river or along the river from one wharf or port to another. Try these sites.
http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/a.html
http://www.parishregister.com/aboutstp.html
Tailors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailor
Ben
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Thanks Ben ;)
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I have watermen ancestors from Essex.
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Hi
I checked out the sites and I have been on the Waterman site before but it seems to be about Thames Watermen only, I wanted to know about Cheshire waterman where I assume they worked ferrying the salt. I am going to Cheshire soon so will check out the salt museum and watermen. I was also hoping to find some info about the working life of a tailor in 19th cen but can't find a suitable website.
Thank you anyway.
Del
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I have also been googling but cannot seem to find anything on Cheshire watermen.
What were the names? I take it you have found them on censuses?
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Hi
Thomas Hulse from Runcorn. Strangely enough I can't find him on census' and he was dead at 39 in 1870 and John Butterworth again from Cheshire.
Del
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Hi Del,
What info do you have on your Thomas Hulse?
Do you have any certificates for him or any more details to help you find him on the censuses.
If he was a Waterman he may have worked on the River Weaver at some time.
Here is a link to a website for the River Weaver Navigation Society and some of the books available.
http://www.rwns.co.uk/books.html
This site may be of interest of the history of the Runcorn Docks.
http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?show=ConNarrative.25&chapterId=111
Another link for Runcorn District and Historical Society.
http://www.runcornhistsoc.org.uk/
regards
Cathy
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And have you found out any more about your interest in the tailor occupation?
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Found some info on Tailors but not very much, there doesn't seem to be much out there. I just wanted info on what sort of life they led and their living conditions.
Del
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I think many tailors worked in workshops or from home making hats. Some of them may have had their own tailoring business.
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Thank you for that. Yes you are right my ancestor had a business in Over Lane in Over and is mentioned in a Cheshire directory in the 1850s, however by the 1860s when his son is a tailor in Wharton they seem to have lost the business or at least I can't find it in the directories.
Del
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Have you found them on the 1861 census? When did the father die? It could be he gave up the business or fell on hard times.
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Hi Coombs
In 1861 he had moved to Bebington and is described as Robert Cawley Boarder Wid 69 Tailor Retired born in Over and he died sometime between 1861 & 1871 I haven't got his death details yet.
His son Thomas is living, in 1861, on Winsford Hill with 5 children and he is described as a Tailor.
Del
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Maybe he saved up for years and lived off his own means so he gave up the business.
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This may be him. Robert Cawley, died Dec Quarter 1861, Birkenhead, 8a 277. I notice Bebington came under Birkenhead district and this is the only Robert Cawley death 1861-1871 in the Birkenhead district.
Although a tree on Ancestry says a Robert Cawley was born 1793 in Over, and married an Ann and died in 1863.
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I will check it out thanks.
Del
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Phew, just checked it wasn't my tree you looked at, that would have been embarrassing if it had been mine and I had put the wrong date in. The date sounds right, otherwise it's a big coincidence. I will send for the DC or would they have this at the CRO I am visiting next week.
Del
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Did your Robert marry an Ann Newall? The FamilySearchPilot site says a Robert Cawley wed an Anne Newell in 1815.
What year does he last appear in any directories as a tailor?
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Hello Coombs
Sorry for the delay in replying. Yes I have that one but not sure if it is the correct one, have still to confirm. I have several children of Robert & Ann. Could you tell me do you know if Church Hulme, Over & Tarvin are near to each other?
Del
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Sorry Coombs just realised you are probably not in Cheshire I was thinking I was on the Cheshire website :-[
Del
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Thats OK I have never been to Cheshire.
He may have left a will. He died after 1858 and after 1858 wills were probated nationally.
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Thanks Coombs I have put my question on Cheshire website. I will look into the will possibility.
Del
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I have family members in Cheshire who were watermen. They were based in Northwich area, so probably worked on the River Weaver carrying Salt to liverpool. They would pick up raw sugar and take it along to the Sankey navigation and then to Newton le Willows sugar refinery. They then loaded up with coal,which they took back to Northwich where salt was produced by evaporation of brine from the salt mines.
The Surnames were Littler, Brown and Alcock