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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: nataz on Monday 07 June 10 11:04 BST (UK)
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Does anyone know of a John Mirton/Murton/Morton who married an Isabel Burn in Elsdon in 1779?
Im trying to establish whether this is the marriage of a John and Isabel who went on to have several children around the villages of Morpeth, Hebron and Bedlington.
Does anyone have access to parish records of the late 1700s in these areas?
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You'll find bishop's transcripts for Hebron (listed as Hebburn) and Morpeth on the family search labs site
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=waypoint&s=waypointsOnly&c=fs%3A1309819&w=0
If you let me know exactly what you want me to look for in Bedlington or Elsdon I'll be happy to check for you but I'd need to know by tomorrow night as I go to the archives on Wednesday
Christine
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Hi
If you could look for the Baptism records for John Murton/variants born approx 1791-4 in Sheepwash, Bedlington and see who his parents were, if thats possible. Or anything else you can find on him and his parents, brothers and sisters it would be a big help.
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The IGI has a baptism of John Murton in Bedlington 27 Apr 1794 s/o John and Isabel Murton as well as other children.
Sorry but the web site is down for maintenance but they are there on the Hugh Wallis website
Janis
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It's good to know he's there, Janis. I'll check him out tomorrow - sometimes there's some additional stuff :) sometimes not :(
Christine
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April 27 1794 Andrew and John twin sons of John Murton and Isabel his wife of Sheepwash
May 10 1795 Elizabeth daughter of John Murton and Isabella his wife of Choppington
I checked from 1790 to 1800 on baptisms and marriages up to 1794 but couldn't see any other Murton.
Thinking about it though - if the couple in Elsdon really married in 1779 they'd be getting on a bit by the time these children were born so they could be the youngest in the family.
I notice that you have a similar post in Look-up Requests. To save us duplicating the research could you please link the two threads?
Christine
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Thank you for taking the time to find the info.
I think they might possibly have had a daugther called Mary born around 1780 in Morpeth and another daughter Ann born 1782, this time in Bedlington so it would be interesting to know if thats correct and if any other children were born around that time.
Im guessing the pasigh records dont record anything about the parents except names.
Oh and sorry not sure how to link the two posts!
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Ive found another possible birth - an Isabel Murton born on 6 6 1798 in Hebron. Father John Murton and Mother Isabel Scott. Is there anyway you can check to see if this is the same family as the Andrew, John and Elizabeth. Also is there any chance you could find a marriage for this couple. Family Search drew a blank.
Thank you so much for all your help.
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Hi Nataz
Linking the two posts - you need to post a message on one of them referring any would-be posters to the other. Post the link by copying the internet address and then mark it complete.
If you right click on the internet address above (www.rootschat etc) and select copy it can then be pasted into the message.
Hope this is clear - I'm not too good at explaining ::)
Christine
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And now back to the Murton family. There's a lot about them that make me uncertain - huge gaps between children and over 20 years of childbearing (not unheard of but enough to be wary).
I have also found an entry in Longhorsley for baptism of John Morton or Scott giving parents John Morton and Isabel Scott - I think this implies that they were not married at the time and starts the family off in 1776 (baptism date 27/9/1776). Then there's Isabel baptised in Hebron to apparently the same parents in 1798!
Where did you get the Isabel Burn name from?
Christine
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Ok didnt know about the John of 1776, our John was defo born around 1790ish according to the 1871 census which puts him at 80yrs. So hes probably the John later baptised in 1794.
Ive looked for deaths of children and second marriages but cant find a thing. Isabel Burn was the name of the wife in Elsdon 1779 (I think!)
Its seems obvious that there was a lot of Murton or Morton activity in and around Morpeth and Newcastle at that time, its just a bit of a mess at working out which set is ours. Annoyingly John married his wife Ann around 1833 so before certificates and therefore no father details.
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You're right - there are a lot of Murtons (various spellings) in Morpeth alone.
If you're confident that you have the right John on the census where does he say he was born and is it consistant through 1861 and 1851 as well?
Christine
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Yeah Im sure hes the right one, the correct occupation and family follows through. I think his place of birth was recorded as Durahm or Bedlington and later Sheep Wash.
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Until about 1845 Bedlington was one of the areas within Northumberland belonging to County Durham - this often confuses the unwary!
Maybe a quick look at Elsdon records this Wednesday - unless you have come up with any more leads elsewhere?
Christine
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Apart from the possible marriage of John Morton and Isabel Scott sometime in the late 1770s I havent found any other information. No idea where the couple were married but I imagine somewhere round Hebron/Morpeth.
John Murtons parents certainly seem to be a John and Isabel (according to Family Search and your results), but which Isabel and where they were both from Ive got no idea.
Thank you for all your help
Natalie
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Hi Natalie
I’m not sure whether I’m adding to the confusion but this is the full entry for the 1798 baptism in Hebron
Isabel Murton born June 6th, Baptised July 1, 5th daughter of John Murton of Hebburn native of the parish of Tranwell Morpeth by his wife Isabel Scott native of Cartington in the parish of Rothbury.
I searched back through the previous 10 years of baptisms and there is no sign of daughters 1 - 4 or any sons so there is nothing to eliminate them from your search. They could have moved from the Bedlington area between 1795 and 1798.
Christine
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OK very confusing indeed!
Would John Murton have had a similar thing recorded for his birth in 1791-4? If he does that might give us more information to go on.
Natalie
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Alas no, there isn't that kind of detail on John's entry - I'd have mentioned it if it had been there. All it said was that he had a twin brother called Andrew.
Christine
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Darn it!
It seems like we might have hit a dead end and unfortunately I cant find anyone else whos researched the Morton family of this area. Those that have are as stuck as me!
Ive looked for more information on Andrew but he seems to have vanished. Doesnt seem to be in the 1841 census and I cant find a death record for him before then either.
And with no apparent marriage of any other John and Isabel to go from its all leading no where.
Think I might just have to put it back in the drawer and hopefully wait for Family Search etc to catch up with transcriptions.
Just a totally different query, can you think why three brother would all be missing from the 1891 and 1901 census's. Its some of the later Mortons and all three of them dont appear to be on there, but do reappear I think in 1911. Just more unanswered questions Im afraid.
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Don't forget to keep checking freereg. The Northumberland records are being added to every month now.
Christine
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Thanks will do