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I've just found out that in 1911 my grandmother lived in 39 Artizan Buildings, which was probably in North Kensington (?) (the family had previously lived in William Street and Bangor Street North Kensington, and later on in Portland Road.... so I imagine they hadn't gone too far from that area).
I can't locate this address anywhere - I've googled it but nothing has come up. Does anyone know where these Buildings were please?? :-\
Thanks,
Selby
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Could they have been in Gun Street, Southwark? Also possibly known as Artisan Dwellings?
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As well as Artizan Buildings in Southwark, there was an Artizan Dwellings in Hammersmith.
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Hi guys... I somehow 'feel' it's more likely to be Hammersmith than Southwark - but if they were in Hammersmith - do you know where?
Selby
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In or near Olaf Street W11
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Thank you!
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Have you found your grandmother in the 1911 census?
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:) Hi Shaun
Yes, I picked up a copy at the National Archives at Kew - whoever filled in the address had very wiggly writing and just put 39 Artizan - nothing else...
I've just 'google mapped' Olaf Street - I couldn't see much except that it had all gone and new buildings put up (what's new :-\ ) - nice to know where she was brought up though (not sure if it was any better than the notorious Bangor Street where the family lived before!!!)
Selby
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Hi Selby
Just came across your posting while Googling for Artizan's Dwellings, my ancestor, Julia Maria Eugenie Atkinson (nee Dunford) was living at 59/60 Artizan's Dwellings, Hammersmith in 1901, whereas in 1911, although the address on the Census page reads "93, Olaf Street Dwellings, Latimer Road, Notting Hill", on the address cover page the enumerator has written "Mrs Atkinson, 93, Artizan Dwellings".
Hope that helps.
Maybe your ancestor and mine knew each other !
Eunice
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hi selby,
as there are recent replies to your original request i assume that it is still a current research topic for you?
the artizan dwellings in north kensington is on the harrow road london w9. it is now an amateur boxing gym.
do you require any history info? tony.
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:) Thank you both for the recent info.
I'm happy to receive anything about Artizen Dwellings... (please)!!! Do you need my email address?
I've only recently found out that my family lived in Olaf Street (because my grandmother was born in 1902 so she didn't appear on the 1901 census) but now that the 1911 census has been released I've found her!!
I hope that our ancestors knew each other Eunice, wouldn't that be surreal ;D.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Selby
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hi selby,
i now live in the n ken area in one of the terraced houses that were built between 1871 and 1876 on the queens park estate, the area of your research.
the artizan dwellings still stand and it is in a preservation area.
architecturally it is a lovely building that i have photographed.
let me know what i can do for you insofar as your research is concerned.
tony.
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I grew up on the Queen's Park Estate in the 1950s and North Kensington began on the other side of the Halfpenny Steps at the bottom of Second Avenue over the Grand Union Canal, that was the boundary.
I bought the book, 'Artizans and Avenues, a history of the Queen's Park Estate' by Erica McDonald and David J Smith which is a very interesting account of the history of the area.
The estate was built and given the name honouring Queen Victoria, the tube station being named for the housing estate which was built by The Artizan's Labourers' and General Dwellings Company. The land on which the estate is built was bought in June 1874 and was an extra parochial parcel of land in the parish of Chelsea. If you walk along Third Avenue the curve of the road follows the line of the field on which it was built.
The house in which I lived, across the road from my grandparents was built in 1881. Like many of my school friends, we grew up surrounded by our families who all lived on the estate - it was very much like growing up in a village.
Pat ...
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pat,
i went to qp library today (my local unit, not yet under threat of closure!) and bought a copy of that booklet for £4, a bargain and a useful source to boot. cheers. tony
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... ;D and I've just asked my son to try and find me a copy!!
Thanks for the tip!
Selby
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hi selby,
i can get one for you if you wish, i may have to post it to you though (if your not near central/nw london that is. tony
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I have the re-print from 2004, I waited several years for it to be published ::) Worth the wait.
I look back on my years on the Avenues with great fondness, but I guess the 1950s was another time in history.
It was interesting looking at residents there in the 1891, 1901 and now the 1911 census returns. My family always said that to have a house on the estate you had to prove a steady, regular income. Uniformed workers were always guaranteed to be given a house/flat, such as postal workers and railway workers.
Another book pub by City of Westminster Archives is Pantomimes and Pineapples, focusing on the area around the Metropolitan Music Hall and Church Street market.
Tony, I joined Queens Park Library at the age of seven whilst still a pupil at Queen's Park Primary School in Droop Street. In my third year in the juniors I had the same teacher as my mother and my aunties had when they were a similar age ;D
Pat ...
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Thank you Tony :D :D :D
Let me have a go at getting a copy and if I fail miserably I'll get back to you (if that's ok?)
Selby
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Well what a memory jogger, I went to Queens Park primary school, previously called Drop St because that was the street where it was
Years ago Queens Park estate seemed to be for the chosen few, my parents tried desperately to get out of her home and on to Q P estate, you were very lucky to get on to the estate, my father had a regular income but they could never get a house there, I understood the houses on the estate were quite well sought after at one time, they were quite nice little houses. I haven't been back there for years but my guess is it has changed somewhat
Queens Park school, I enjoyed my time there, could mention a few teachers, some were quite cruel when you look back but I was lucky not to receive the ruler from one particular single woman teacher, I'll say no more !!.
Louisa Maud
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ok all,
i've been out and about taking photo's of landmarks and the estate as it is now.
the school has gone, droop street, is shorter than it used to be (partly now peach road ex peach street), the halfpenny bridge is probably unrecognisable in its current refurb condition and most of the harrow road after st john's church up to the artizan company building is new build.
i hope to be able to share these photo's with interested parties however it will have to be via the pm system.
if anyone is interested let me know.
ironically, a relative of my wife's was married in this area in 1885, this took place in st jude parish kensal green whereas the area was known as st luke chelsea in 1865. if anyone can throw some light on this we shall be obliged. tony
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I lived opposite St Jude's church in Lancefield St. W10
Louisa Maud
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My late brother was christened in St Jude's :D
I think I may have explained that the land on which the estate was built was actually a parcel of ex parochial land detached from the parish of St Luke in Chelsea, the shape of the estate being defined by the shape of the parcel of land/fields.
I did read that because of the length of Droop Street the decision was taken to re-name the top end Peach Road (in remembrance of Peach Street - the only part of the Avenues destroyed by bombing in WWII). The renaming was in order to assist the emergency services in finding the correct addresses in an emergency (fire, ambulance, police).
Pat ...
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Hi Pat
I was christened at St Jude's, in fact I went to Sunday School there, and eventually became a Sunday school teacher and a group of us set up the youth club, happy innocent days.
The vicar at the time didn't allow us to have dances, well we were not allowed to be close to a boy, what a laugh, we were allowed to have socials but we did have a few dances during the social, these socials were open to all who belonged including the adults, which meant we were overseen by them if needed , fortunately they were a nice bunch and there was never any trouble they were really fun.
When St Jude's was pulled down most went to St Simon's Saltram Cres or St Luke's in Kilburn Lane I think it was, I decided not to and went St John's on the corner of Ladbroke Grove and Harrow Road, it was a very high church of England, I wasn't used to that and after 18 months or so I went onto Emmanuel Prince of Wales where I got married, it has all changed now and not for the better in my opinion
LM
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I have had a chance to have a look at the area on Google Street Map - I see what you mean about the Halfpenny Steps :o
Nothing like they used to be, when our class trooped over them to Wedlake Swimming Baths for our weekly lessons.
The last time we visited was in the late 1970s whilst staying in Putney, we went across London to revisit my childhood home. It looks as though many changes have taken place.
Pat ...
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Hi all
If you're still having problems obtaining the booklet, the City of Westmintser Archives has stock here as well as Pineapples & Pantomimes (I've got this one - it's great!)
http://www.westminster.gov.uk/services/libraries/archives/publications/#books
Dawn
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have you tried face book
born in w10
old notting hill
born in w11
born in w2 or nearly
fantastic groups,with loads of photos and knowledge of area
squinty
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another group on face book
north kensington electorial role
squinty
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roll
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hello all,
there is a lot of local interest in the history and architecture of queens park and i have tried to set up a local history group but varying circumstances (co-ordinating times and days) have thus far prevented a gathering, however, more recent overtures have been more favourable with a wider "audience" showing interest and the availability of a meeting place being included.
if interested parties would like to participate, either online through this forum or by invitation, to a meeting, let me know as i am aware that there are former residents who are interested and who have anecdotes to relate and probably photographs from a bygone era that we can all share.
tony
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Hi there
I've just come across your post taking a trip down memory lane.
My mum was in Bangor Street - North Kensington in 1921. I was born in Olaf Street Dwellings - North Kensington In 1948.
I don't live too far from there today but sadley Olaf Dwellings has been knocked down. However, Olaf Street is still there, along with The People's Hall Mission. Pictures on the net can be found.
My mother's maiden name was Carey. Her married name was Bonner.
I remember her the name Selby being mentioned.
I recently took my daughter to see where I used to live.
Olaf Street is off Latimer Road W11 and also Bramley Road.
Good luck with your search.
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Carey? Yes I know the name so well. Lemmie and my mum were good friends.
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Hi there thsnk u for reply .my mther Anne is Lemmies sister .what is your mums name .if you dont mind sharing ?
Posted on behalf of jbonner who has sent this message to me in error..
Sarah :)
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Hi re lemmie carey
My mums name was Kathy Hayes she lived in wilsham street .
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My family lived in olaf dwelling we moved to Fulham when the dwelling were going to be pulled down. Quite a few families came to Fulham. Love to see photos if anyone has any.
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Hi,
I’ve just come across this post, I’m currently doing my family tree and found out that my paternal great grandfather and grandfather lived at Artizan dwellings Olaf St. I was wondering if anyone had a photo of these buildings?
Thanks in advance.
R Wilson.