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Has anyone researched this topic. Am looking for a William Daniels, Liverpool pilot in 1838. The Maritime museum at Albert Dock has registers but unfortunately they do not do research. Any help greatly appreciated. Moya
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moya, welcome to rootschat :)
If you get no lookup offers from this post, maybe a rewording of the topic sentence might helpby being more specific... eg,
Lookup at Maritime Museum, Albert Dock, Liverpool please.
Worth a try :)
charlotte
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Thanks Charlotte I'll give it a go. regards Moya
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Has anyone researched this topic. Am looking for a William Daniels, Liverpool pilot in 1838.
I can tell you that five Liverpool Pilots named DANIELS are listed in Barrie Youdes' book 'Beyond the Bar' viz :-
DANIELS C - born 1836, licenced 1857, retired 1895, died 1896
DANIELS J(i) - licenced 1819, died in service 1853
DANIELS J(ii) - born 1818, licenced 1839, retired 1870, died 1883
DANIELS T - licenced 1839, died 1841
DANIELS W - licenced 1817, retired 1856, died 1857
You may perhaps find this thread of some use :-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,322517.0.html
Good luck
Gordon
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Thankyou Gordon. Looks promising, will check it out. Regards Moya
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Hi
In the 'Returns Relating to Pilots and Pilotage' for 1854, William Daniels, aged 58 is attached to No 1 Pilot Sloop "Liverpool" which was built in 1834. He is a licenced journeyman Pilot restricted to vessels drawing not more than 14 1/2 feet of water. It was unusual, although not uncommon, for a senior Pilot in age to be restricted in some way, as to the size of vessel to be piloted. No doubt his pilot record in the Pilot's Character Book will throw some light on the subject. This can be viewed at the Merseyside Maritime Museum, Albert Dock, Liverpool.
Regards
Dave
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Hi Dave
She apparently didn't feel any necessity to post an update on this thread, but it would seem that Moya subsequently discovered she doesn't have a connection to Liverpool Pilot William DANIELS after all - see http://url.ie/6vn4
Best regards
Gordon
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Hello Gordon & Dave. My humble apologies for not replying to your posts, got somewhat bogged down with family matters. However I am pleased to say that I received some very helpful information from the Maritime Museum which I was not expecting as they had told me they did not do research. I was emailed copies from William Daniels character book (seemed to have been somewhat of a larrikin) and also a list of some of his children by his two wives. William did have a brother John who may have been the pilot John Daniels b. 1818 but I cannot prove this. Many thanks for all your help. Moya
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Hi Moya,
Very interested, and pleased, to hear that the MMM emailed you a copy of his PCBk entry.
This will assist a lot of researchers in their quest for more information about their Pilot ancestors.
Didn't want to say too much in my first reply, but draft restriction usually meant some offence had been committed and that an appearance before the Pilotage Committe could result in a penalty for perhaps a year or two. Anyway now you know why!
Glad you now have the info you were looking for
Regards
Dave
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Hello Moya
It would seem I owe you an apology, rather than vice-versa, since I've just noticed another of your posts to the L&SWL forum viz http://url.ie/6w71
As the marriage certificate for your fisherman John DANIELS clearly identifies his father as William DANIELS, pilot, there's no doubt whatsoever that you do indeed have a connection to this Liverpool Pilot family. My apologies for suggesting otherwise.
Good to see that the MMM have provided all the information you need for free -that's certainly most obliging of them.
Incidentally, I note that in the 1851 Census John & Hannah DANIELS + children William & Jane were living at 22 Worfield Street, Liverpool.
Living at 8 Worfield Street in the same Census was my wife's direct ancestor John MARTINDALE, fisherman, and his family.
Being in the same line of business, and living in the same road, no doubt the two would have been well acquainted with each other?
Best regards
Gordon
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Hello Dave,
are you still doing the look ups? I have just discovered an ancestor, John Ball marrying Ellen Fuller at St Peter's Priory in 1817 at which he gives his occupation Pilot. Any trace of him in the list of pilots?
John
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There are about 50 pilots buried or remembered at Toxteth Park Cemetery, Liverpool. There is a very useful website which can be searched:
www.info@toxtethparkcemeteryinscriptions. co.uk
Select the search option and type 'pilot' into the last box. About ten entries per page should appear. You may be lucky!
A
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Thanks Ainslie,
I have just given that a try and no luck. Next time I am in Liverpool I'll see if there is a copy of the list at the Central Library.
Thanks again
John
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Per Barry Youde's "Beyond the Bar", John Ball was licensed as a pilot in 1817 and died in 1837.
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Per Barry Youde's "Beyond the Bar", John Ball was licensed as a pilot in 1817 and died in 1837.
Many thanks Shaun
John
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Thanks for the useful tip, Ainslie - found one of mine in Toxteth Park (David EVANS d1913) plus the wife of another (Margaret Elizabeth EVANS d1865).
Margaret Elizabeth's husband William EVANS (b1809 New Brighton) was lost at sea in the wreck of the Norwegian brig SIBAL off Point Lynas on 9 December 1874 so has no grave. His elder brother George EVANS (b1804 Meols) was drowned in the River Mersey on 3 January 1849 and buried in St James' Cemetery in Liverpool, which if I'm not mistaken was the traditional resting place of pilots lost in the course of duty when a body was recovered.
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Hello All
Slight movement of topic. Does anyone know if there is a similar list of pilots for Southampton?
Thanks
Dot
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Per Barry Youde's "Beyond the Bar", John Ball was licensed as a pilot in 1817 and died in 1837.
Shaun
thank you for that information it helped me go back a further generation to his father Joseph Ball. According to his marriage in 1785 to Mary Owens he was also a pilot. Does he also appear in the Barrie Youde's book? By the way the only place selling the book seems to be Amazon for £25 second hand one copy only
John
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Re Joseph Ball, there are two x Jos. Ball listed in Beyond the Bar. One was licensed in 1783 - presumably that is your man. The other was licensed in 1809 and he died in 1819.
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The Liverpool Mercury for Friday 5 February 1819 has a death announcement for Mary Ball:
On Saturday last, after a lingering illness, aged 62, Mrs Mary Ball, widow of the late Mr Joseph Ball, formerly master Pilot out of this port.
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The Liverpool Mercury for Friday 5 February 1819 has a death announcement for Mary Ball:
On Saturday last, after a lingering illness, aged 62, Mrs Mary Ball, widow of the late Mr Joseph Ball, formerly master Pilot out of this port.
Shaun,
thank you once again that has been a great find. I am betting that the other Joseph Ball is also a relative probably son of the older Joseph. Thanks again.
John
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Liverpool Mercury 17 February 1858:
DEATHS
Feb 10, aged 38, Mr. William Ball, watch finisher, eldest son of the late John Ball, pilot of this town
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Feb 10, aged 38, Mr. William Ball, watch finisher, eldest son of the late John Ball, pilot of this town[/font]
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Thank you once again Shaun. I was just speaking to a friend about getting a subscription to britishnewspaperarchives. Your help is much appreciated. In fact I had been looking for William and found one listed as a watch finisher I'll just go back and try to find him again.
John
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Hi John
There was a John Ball who witnessed my great-great-grandfather's marriage at St Mary's Edge Hill in 1853... I wonder if there is connection with your Ball family
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Hello Shaun,
I have a 3x Gt Grandfather John Ball born 1824 to John Ball (the Pilot). He married Bridget McCoy 1848. Address at marriage Denison Street, occupation mariner. In 1861 they lived at 15 Prussia Street. I have not found them in 1851 yet. However, my ancestor's Grandfather (Joseph the Pilot) had brothers William and Joseph (a Pilot) they could also have had sons named John.
There could be other cousins but I have not researched wider yet.
John
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Thanks for that John. I have compared signatures and there is no match with the one that married Bridget McCoy ( he made his mark).