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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Kent => England => Kent Lookup Requests => Topic started by: jane l on Wednesday 02 June 10 15:29 BST (UK)
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looking for any info about steven thomas goodwin born 1855 rochester st margaret kent england. he married hephzibah keturah beaney 1876 st peters church kent. i have 1881 census age 26 general labourer. i have 4 known childred. he died 1925 in lewisham. any help would be gratefully recieved. thanks jane ???
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Looking at freebmd, there are no Stephen Goodwin's that immediately fit - there is one registered in Blean district in 1856, or one in Medway (which includes Rochester) in 1860.
Will keep looking - and welcome to Rootschat!
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Hmm, there is Thomas Goodwin bn Sept qtr 1857 in Medway........
Forgot to ask - do you have his father's name from the marriage cert?
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is he the one in 1881 whose wife is down as elizabeth he is down as born 1855 in canterbury
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Have you got the baptisms of some of Stephen and Hepzibah's children?
Stephen Thomas William bap Dec 5th 1879. Fathers occ - scaffolder (St john the Baptist, Eltham High St, Woolwich)
Henrietta May bn July 20th 1894, bap Aug 3rd. Fathers occ - labourer (St Marys Lewisham)
Hepzibah Keturah bn Sept 7 1895, bap Sept 24. fathers occ - Scaffolder (St Marys, Lewisham)
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yes got those thanks
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There are some public trees online on Ancestry that have this man birth date varies betweeen 1851-1858 Kent parents down on all trees as Stephen Goodwin and Sarah?one has Sarah Ballard is this the right family?
Welsh Lady
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have a look at this 1901 census entry if you have access to ancestry
some of the names different but ?
1901
RG13/548/148/33.
if someone could transcribe it for you if you do not have access
only have to go offline now
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Erm, from 1911 census Stephen gives his age as 50 and born in Tenham (?). He is with wife Hepzibah (52) and 4 children (Rose 10, Annie 14, May 16 and Kate 15).
They have been married 33 years, and have had 20 children :o of which 11 are still living.
Tenham = Teynham ?
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wow thanks for that my mother was always told that there were some 20+ children but i can only find info on stephen thomas-john-amy-stephen-william+sarah. wish i had access to 1911. jane :D
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1911 is pay per view, so you can access it piecemeal if you want.
Found 11 so far:
1 - Stephen Thomas
2 - John
3 - Amy
4 - Stephen
5 - William
6 - Sarah
7 - Henrietta May
8 - Hepzibah Keturah
9 - Rose
10 - Annie
11 - Kate
Just the remaining 9 to find ;)
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have a look at this 1901 census entry if you have access to ancestry
some of the names different but ?
1901
RG13/548/148/33.
if someone could transcribe it for you if you do not have access
only have to go offline now
Interesting find Wozzle - there certainly seems to be some similarities between the families - and "Sidney" is a scaffolder.........
Transcription:
3 Avenue Road
Sidney Goodwin Head Mar 45 Scaffolder bn rochester
Kate Goodwin Wife Mar 44 bn Rochester
Lily Goodwin Dau 13 bn Bexley
Lionel Goodwin Son 12 bn Bexley
Walter Goodwin Son 11 bn Bexley
May Goodwin Dau 7 bn Lewisham
Kathleen Goodwin Dau 6 bn Lewisham
Alise Goodwin Dau 4 bn Lewisham
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family by name of Hawkswood boarding with them.
The ages are slightly out compared to them on the 1911 census - could Sidney be a brother perhaps?
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wow this is fantastic my mum is soooooooo amazed. if been struggling for age try to find about her side of the family so thanks thanks and thanks again jane ;D :o ;D
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There is an amazing advert for Dr Williams Pink Pills in Reynolds newspaper March 1900 that refers to Mr Stephen Goodwin, a foreman scaffolder of 3 Avenue Road Lewisham and his wife of 14 years. Sent you a pm :)
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Glad we can help - but I'm not sure we have solved anything yet....... for example in 1891 there is this interesting family:
2 vincent Place, Bexley
Stephen Goodwin Head Mar 37 Scaffolder ::) bn Canterbury
Lizzy Goodwin Wife Mar 31 bn Rochester
Stephen Goodwin Son 11 bn Eltham would fit in with baptism?
Emily Goodwin Dau 13 bn Rochester
Elizabeth Goodwin Dau 3 bn Bexley could be shortened to Lily?
John Goodwin Son 7 bn Bexley
Robert Goodwin Son 5 bn Bexley
Lewis Goodwin Son 16mnts bn Bexley
RG12; Piece: 635; Folio 35; Page 1
Is this the same family that Wozzle found in 1881?
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Hello folks,
One of the Ancestry trees has a scan of the marriage cert for Hephzibah Heturah Goodwin in 1916, daur of Stephen Thomas Goodwin. She was married from 3 Avenue Road in Lewisham. I wonder how this ties in with the 1901 Census entry posted earlier?
Polarbear
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this will be my tree
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Fanciful flight of thought...........could Hephzibah Keturah be the Kathleen on the 1901 census? Then by the same (probably flawed) logic, Kate senior could be Hephzibah Keturah senior.
I can kind of see how Keturah could turn into Kate......
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Ooooh!
Lewis Charles Goodwin enlisted to the Northumberland Fusiliers in WW1, and sadly died. On the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website, it lists Lewis as the son of Stephen Thomas and Elizabeth Hephzibah Goodwin of 3 Avenue Road, Lewisham and the husband of Lily Amy Goodwin of 67 Sparta St, Blackheath Hill, Greenwich
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There is an amazing advert for Dr Williams Pink Pills in Reynolds newspaper March 1900 that refers to Mr Stephen Goodwin, a foreman scaffolder of 3 Avenue Road Lewisham and his wife of 14 years. Sent you a pm :)
so the address is the same as the sidney goodwin on the 1901 census
it seems to be looking more and more likely that sidney and stephen could be one and the same
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They do like to give us the run around with their names!!
From various census, these appear to be the children:
1 - Stephen Thomas (bn abt 1880, Eltham)
2 - John (bn abt 1884, Bexley)
3 - Amy
4 - Stephen
5 - William
6 - Sarah
7 - Henrietta May (bn 1894, Lewisham: 1901) Sep qtr 1894 Lewisham 1d 1118
8 - Hepzibah Keturah (bn 1895, Lewisham) Dec qtr 1895 Lewisham 1d 1114
9 - Rose (bn abt 1901, Lewisham) ?Rosina Phyllis bn Sept qtr 1901 Lewisham 1d 1199
10 - Annie (bn abt 1897, Lewisham) Alise bn abt 1897 on 1901 census? No Annie or Alise on freebmd, but there is an Agnes....
11 - Kate (bn abt 1896, Lewisham) ? Kathleen bn abt 1895 on 1901 census? No Kate/Kathleen on freebmd so Hepzibah?
12 - Emily (bn abt 1878, Rochester: 1891 census)
13 - Elizabeth (bn abt 1888, Bexley: 1891 census) ? Lily bn 1888 on 1901 census? Elizabeth Lily bn Dec qtr 1887 Dartford 2a 466
14 - Robert (bn abt 1886, Bexley: 1891 census) Robert Edward bn Dec qtr 1885 Dartford 2a 447
15 - Lewis Charles (bn abt 1890, Bexley: 1891 census) dec qtr 1889 Dartford 2a 466
16 - Lionel (bn abt 1889, Bexley: 1901 census)
17 - Walter (bn abt 1890, Bexley: 1901 census)
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There is a baptism for a Hephzibah Keturah BEANEY 11 April 1860 at St Margaret, Rochester.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08t9/
and her parents marriage
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08ta/
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you lot are fantastic thanks sooo much :D :D :D
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With the help of the Familysearch pilot which has had many Kent records added recently
www.familysearch.org (select record search pilot from the search records drop down menu)
and Medway Cityark which is the online imagebase of Medway parish records
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08te/
you should be able to follow this line back further, :D
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going straight there now thanks j
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Looks like the family liked to stick together, because on the 1911 census Robert Goodwin and his wife (Elizabeth, 24, bn Lewisham) and daughter (Irene, 1yr 10 mnths, bn Lewisham) are living at 3a Avenue Road, Lewisham. Looking at freebmd, I think that Robert Edward Goodwin married Elizabeth Anne Birch dec qtr 1908, Lewisham 1d 1862
Elizabeth Lily Goodwin married Robert Benjamin Hibbett Jun qtr 1910, Lewisham, 1d 1480
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wow thanks-my mother was born in that house :o
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Erm, I hope you weren't thinking of making a visit to the ancestral pile, cos from looking at google street view, it appears to now be a used car lot. (judging by the
architecture concrete monstrosity) it was built in the 1960s.
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wont be going there then :'(
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Well, I don't know - you might be able to get a discount on a new car ;)
Not sure whether you had got Stephen and Hephzibah's wedding cert, but I just had a look on the Medway City Ark website and found it - it gives Stephen's dad so we can look to see if there is a family that fits!
Marriage took place on Nov 2nd 1876 at St peters Rochester
Stephen Thomas Goodwin / 21 / bachelor / labourer / Miles Place, Dilce Road (?) / Stephen Goodwin / Engine Driver
Hephzibah Keturah Beaney / 19 / spinster / Miles Place, Dilce Road / Thomas Beaney / Labourer
Stephen signed, Hephzibah made her mark
Witnesses were John Beaney and Rose Petty
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yes i have got it had to buy it [at cost] to see if i could find out anything about this side of the faimly but cheers anyway. :)
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Hmmmm, where's Frindsbury? On the 1861, 1871 and 1881 there is a Stephen (Steven on 1881) with parents Stephen and Sarah and assortment of siblings. I realise we already have who we suspect is Stephen and Elizabeth/Hephzibah on 1881 but the Steven on the 1881 with his parents is enumerated as being married.....
So are there two Goodwin families or one family who likes to change their name?
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i think its around rochester and yes i'm finding 1 or more familes hard to sort out :-\
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Stephen senior claims to be an Engine Driver on the 1871 census - which would link to Stephen junior's marriage :-\
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yes it would
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1861 census:
Stephen Goodwin Head Mar 33 Labourer bn Deal
Sarah Goodwin Wife Mar 30 bn Cobham (in Kent)
John Goodwin Son 5 bn Frindsbury
Stephen Goodwin Son 3 bn Frindsbury
RG9; Piece: 476; Folio: 58; Page: 21
1871 census: Borstal Road, Rochester
Stephen Goodwin Head MAr 42 Engine Driver bn Deal
Sarah Goodwin Wife Mar 40 bn Deal
John Goodwin Son 15 Scholar bn Frindsbury
Stephen Goodwin 13 Scholar bn Frindsbury
William Goodwin Son 10 Scholar bn Rochester
Sarah Goodwin Dau 4 Scholar bn Rochester
RG10; Piece: 903; Folio: 10; Page: 14
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Frindsbury should come under the North Aylsford registration district
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yes thats stephen thomas father and yes to area if you say so you would know better than me cause you're amazingly fast and too good for me ;)
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There are some public trees online on Ancestry that have this man birth date varies betweeen 1851-1858 Kent parents down on all trees as Stephen Goodwin and Sarah?one has Sarah Ballard is this the right family?
Welsh Lady
It does look like the only possible marriage on freebmd - Jun qtr 1853, North Aylsford 2a 413
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yes thats stephen thomas father and yes to area if you say so you would know better than me cause you're amazingly fast and too good for me ;)
Not really - but this is far more appealing than the pile of marking that I should be doing ;D
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very true im quite knew to all of this but cant leave it alone used to be a works bore now im an ancestry 1 but having fun and learning so much. this stuff on my mums side of goodwins has been bugging me for ages cause i couldnt find anything so thanks again and keep it coming it's great 8)
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Glad we can help!
Have you got the marriage cert for Stephen and Sarah Ann Ballard? If not, I've found it on City Ark and if you want I'll talk you through finding it!
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no i haven't so yes please
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Ok, first place to go is to here:
http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/query/results/?Mode=Search&PathList=/Z4a_Medway_Ancestors/
Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you will see a list of the parishes that the database covers.
In this case, we want Frindsbury, All Saints, so click on the 'click here' hyperlink.
This will show you a page of all the records for Frindsbury All Saints. We want marriages in 1853 which is result number 16. This is a scan of the register of marriages between 1848 - 1855. Click 'view images'
You then have a list of scanned pages - unfortunately, the names of the pages do not give away the date so you have to estimate and then work forward and backwards! Stephen and Sarah's marriage is on scan 00000095.
Click on that, the page should load and their marriage is the second one (bottom left)
Hope that makes sense!
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found frindsbury all staints but sorry cnat do anything with it :-[
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Have you found Frindsbury in the long list of parishes, or the list of records within Frindsbury?
Try this link:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08u1/
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:o fantastic thanks
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Quick update on goodwin-my tree is now looking full with most of the 20 children. i think rosina phylis [rose] was a twin -well that was what my mother was told but other baby died at birth? so now looking into this well trying 2. my mother was evacuated from London during the war. her house was flattened-when her father went back to collect anything from the house a few days later everything had been taken :'( so my mother had always told me that i would never be able to find anything out about her side of the family[little did she know that you guys would :o] so my mum only has her memories of her family+ 3/4 pics - her mother hephzibah keturah died when my mum was very young but i least with your fantastic help slowly but surely you are now putting her her lost family back together so once again a great big thanks to you all ;D ;D
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I'm glad that your mum is pleased - and its so sad that all the family bits and bobs were destroyed or looted.
Presumably, as your mum didn't know too much about her mother's family, she is unaware of decendants from that side? With BMD records on Ancestry coming up to 2005, it might be possible to trace some of Hephzibah's siblings forward and see what happened to them.
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she keeps telling me little bits that she can remember -there was a goodwin [pop] who was something to do with the railway who lived at Arlesford-Hampshire i think he lived in 1 of the railway cottages prob worked on the watercress line. Then there was a William who married a Dinah [she was Irish}- Henrietta may -was the mother of Keturah may alice sayers -my mother didn't know till very late on that kit as she was not known was accualty not her sis i think kit was brought up by the sayer family as 1 of their own. her father i think was a german jew!! so there are a few things sort of known but as for the rest im trying to find out so looking into all areas using everything and anything thanks
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Ooooh!
Lewis Charles Goodwin enlisted to the Northumberland Fusiliers in WW1, and sadly died. On the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website, it lists Lewis as the son of Stephen Thomas and Elizabeth Hephzibah Goodwin of 3 Avenue Road, Lewisham and the husband of Lily Amy Goodwin of 67 Sparta St, Blackheath Hill, Greenwich
Lewis Charles Goodwin mar Lily Amy Pink (Lily the Pink ;D ) Dec qtr 1909 Lewisham 1d 1909
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ha ha very good but great :)
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I have an Ernest goodwin in my tree married to Doris Isobel Gledhill (his second wife), they lived in Melbourne
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hope you had more luck finding out about them then me -well thats until now!
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i thought i'd put a face to hephzibah keturah-stephen thomas wife [Dr Williams Pink Pills] it looks as though those iron tablets helped her with her 20 children.
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opps sorry forgot the pic
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Lovely to see her.
She's worn well despite the burden of all those children.
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Hello to Kent :D
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Update on the Goodwin's-inputting all info you gave me into my tree, still don't know how you managed to sort out - the sidney's from the steven's and the kate's from the hepzibah's but it's given me so much more to work with and i'm now realising that this ancestry stuff is not so easy to do. I mean how would i ever have known that names could change soo much, that to try to follow some 1 through their life that you would have to be so clever as to find them under a completely different name. But now i know such things who know's what i might find out!!!!!!! Thank's again ;)
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jane; i think you have been bitten by the bug
happy researching
mick
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bitten by the bug is an understatement. I'm doing it 24/7 very badly but there's worse things to be doing. house looks [well i won't say -alloments gone to pot and poor other half is doing most of the cooking washing and ironing.] i am doing some of his family tree along the way -oh and also a bit of work.
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thanks to free FindMyPast now have 1911 census for stephen thomas goodwin and a few other's. so here's hoping england carry on and fmpast keep letting us in ;)
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Just been reading this fascinating thread (albeit 2 years after it was written!)
Thanks to some dogged detective work by my brother over the last few days, we have just learned that Hephzibah Keturah Goodwin was our great, great grandmother (what a name - wonder what the origin of that is!). Our great grandfather was her 5th child, Robert Edward Goodwin and our maternal grandfather was his youngest child, Cyril.
We never knew Cyril and indeed our mother didn't know him well as her parents separated when she was 2, but she did visit her grandfather (Robert) in Alresford, Hampshire sometime around 1960, and has fond memories of him.
I noticed that a picture of Hephzibah was posted earlier in this tread but I'm not able to download it so if anyone can give me access, I'd love to see what my great great granny looked like. And if anyone has any other information about this branch of the family, I'd be really interested. Thanks
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Gosh was it really 2yrs ago that I started this -Hephzibah Keturah Goodwin [yes it is a great name ] is my great grandmother + I have lots of info about her if you reply to this 2 more times I can send you a Pm would love to find out more about your side of the tree
looking forward to hearing from Jane
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Wondered how to PM on this site...
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...now I know Jane! PM to follow
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Hi again origin of Hephzibah-Hebrew -Meaning =My Delight Is In Her+Keturah is also Hebrew-Meaning=Incense
Keturah goes back in my tree to 1818 and also up too 1930 looking forward to your Pm then I can Email you some photo's
Jane
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Hi Jane I am also related to Hepzibah Keturah Goodwin.My Nan was Lily Goodwin,the daughter of Lily Pink and Lewis Charles Goodwin.Would love to hear from you,and anyone else that’s related.