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I am looking for information on the family of my 4th great grandfather. According to notes just found in an old family Bible, the Rev John Hodgkinson was born on 17 Sept 1821, in "Wolrich, near London, England."
He married Elizabeth Hay, b. 5 Mar 1823 in "Frickley, near London, England." They were married on 30 Nov 1845.
He received, on 13 May 1848, a "Transfer of Church Membership" from Primitive Methodist Conference #66, North Nottingham circuit, to Primitive Methodist Protestant conference in the United States.
I believe John and Elizabeth immigrated to Pennsylvania.
Any information or help is greatly appreciated!!
Thank you,
Gretchen
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Hi Gretchen
This might be the one that you are after...strange entry for his wife though..
1880 Census United States of America Pennsylvania Fayette Dunbar
District 36 Roll 1129 Page 108C
HODGKINSON
John White Male 58 Husband Minister Born England Both parents born England
Elizabeth White Female 56 Wife (in occupation column "died" ) Born England Both parents born England
Anna White Female 18 Daughter House Keeper Born Pa? Both parents born England
Ada White Female 16 Daughter Assistant Born Pa Both parents born England
Clara White Female 14 Daughter Born Pa Both parents born England
Cheers
Karenlee
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Hi Karenlee,
Yes, that is family. Elizabeth died 27 Feb 1880, so that's why her "occuption" is "died." ;D I appreciate your time in checking on this!
I should have specified, I'm looking for info on John Hodgkinson while over in England (hopefully, finding out who his parents and his siblings were). I have lots of info once he immigrated to the US. :)
Part of what I'm curious about, was "Wolrich" a township back in the early 1800's? As I look at the maps now, it looks like it's part of central London.
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Gretchen
I thought maybe it was Woolwich that they meant??
Karenlee
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Karenlee,
It could be! The information comes from a typed letter, found in an old family Bible. It was written in 1976, by my great Aunt who was 80 at the time of the writing. She did type "Wolwich" several times. I didn't know if she was unclear on the data (she was a very sharp lady) or if this might have been an older name?
We just came across this letter last night, so this is very exciting to me, and now I'm trying to track back further. :)
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Free BMD has the marriage of John HODGKINSON and Elizabeth KAY ( probably mistranscribed and should be HAY ) as Dec Qtr 1845 15 1183 Radford Nottinghamshire.
As you have both the date and the reference numbers it would be a good idea to order this certificate as it will give you the father's names for both bride and groom.
Cheers
Karenlee
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There is a marriage recorded in the December qtr of 1845 at Radford, Folio 15 Page 1183, where two of the parties are a John HODGKINSON and an Elizabeth KAY. Looking at the index image they are typed, so if a mistranscription has occurred it is from the register to the index, wher an upper case H could be mistaken for a K.
Radford is in Nottinghamshire, which would tie in with what you mentioned earlier about the North Nottingham Circuit.
Getting the marriage certificate will name their fathers as well as give an occupation, which will allow you to get back another generation.
They can be ordered online from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
There is a John HODGKINSON in the 1841 census in Radford, Nottinghamshire, which could be him. His age is given as 15, but he could have been 15-19 as ages of those over 15 in that census were rounded down to the nearest 5. He was not born in the county, but I cannot make out his occupation.
Ian C
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Thank you very much Karenlee and Ian! I am in the process of ordering the certificate right now! :)
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Just wondering if you now have some marriage details which might help in progressing with the origins of John HODGKINSON ???
Casalguidi :)
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This is what I know of the marriage:
John Hodgkinson was born at Wolwich near London, Sept 17, 1821.
He married Elizabeth Hay, b. 5 Mar 1823 in "Frickley (?Brickley), near Crich (?Erich) in Derbyshire."
They were married on 30 Nov 1845.
They were married in England before they immigrated.
This is from a relative's transcription of the John Hodgkinson/Elizabeth Hay family Bible.
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One other thing I found that might help in locating this family:
there was a card in the Bible (I have not seen it), with a picture of a church and is labelled "The Catholic church of Nottingham."
Inside the card, written to John Hodgkinson by his "Aunt Eliza and Uncle Thomas," it mentions that the church is on Tollhouse hill, "opposite Vernon street, where we used to live." (I assume this to be the former residence of "Aunt Eliza & Uncle Thomas" .... but could possibly be a former residence of one of John's parents as a child....and whichever is related by blood, Aunt Eliza or Uncle Thomas."
In Googling this info, I found this cathedral:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nottingham_Cathedral
So this is where possibly one of John's parents grew up? Dunno........i'm grasping at straws here. :)
Gretchen
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Just wondering if you now have some marriage details which might help in progressing with the origins of John HODGKINSON ???
Casalguidi :)
I finally have the marriage certificate.
John Hodgkinson's father was William Hodgkinson, a framework knitter. I believe this family to have been in the Woolwich area, based on a family history typed in 1976.
The marriage of John Hodgkinson and Elizabeth Hey occured in the Parish of Radford, and they were both living in Kensington at the time of marriage.
I've tried Googling "William Hodgkinson" Woolwich and come up with nothing.
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Hi BostonRott :)
There is a John HODGKINSON in the 1841 census in Radford, Nottinghamshire, which could be him. His age is given as 15, but he could have been 15-19 as ages of those over 15 in that census were rounded down to the nearest 5. He was not born in the county, but I cannot make out his occupation.
I think his occupation is "Cotton Factory", so that would fit with his father being a FWK. John appears to be on his own in a house with another family, perhaps as a boarder or lodger (he's shown as being his own household).
Re. John's birthplace - I too thought Woolwich sounded like the most obvious place near to London that would fit with the word "Wolrich". It used to be in the county of Kent, so maybe a good bet would be to place a lookup enquiry on the Kent board, to see if anyone can spot his baptism.
Re. Elizabeth's birthplace: Crich is a parish in Derbyshire. There is a placed named Fritchley that is within the parish:
(http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/gazplace?CCC=DBY,GR=SK350530,PLACE=FRITCHLEY)
Cheers
Prue
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Thank you kindly, Prue!
I will put a request in over on the Kent board. Your time and help are most appreciated. :)
Gretchen
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John Hodgkinson's father was William Hodgkinson, a framework knitter. I believe this family to have been in the Woolwich area, based on a family history typed in 1976.
Is there any mention of "Woolwich" other than John's birthplace? Problem is there wouldn't have been framework knitters in Kent ............. the factories would be in the north of the country. If somebody from the north was in Woolwich at any time then the most likely reason would be that they were in the army at some point thus in Woolwich temporarily :-\
Did John and Elizabeth marry in a parish church/registry office/non-conformist chapel?
Who were the witnesses to the wedding?
Casalguidi :)
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No, the only mention of his birth is in the old history written by my great aunt in 1976. I think there is a family Bible somewhere that she got this info from, but I haven't yet located it.
John and Elizabeth were married in "the Parish Church in the Parish of Radford in the county of Nottingham."
Both John and Elizabeth are listed as living in Kensington at the time of their marriage. It looks as though John's profession at the time was Cotton spinner, or maybe both were cotton spinners? The words "Cotton spinner" are written the full length of the box , where as the rest of the info is neatly on its own lines (his and hers).
William Hodgkinson is a "framework spinner" and Joseph Kay is a cotton spinner. (The fathers)
Elizabeth was born "in Fritchley, near Crich." I have found online records of Crich parish, and found Hay and Hey, as well as a few Key/Kay listings.
Witnesses were John Charles and Elizabeth Charles.
The minister's name is hard to read, Samuel something....surname might start with a J and ends in "ell", and then following his name is ", K ........." again, unreadable. Maybe title or suffix? "K _ in" ?? Dunno, no idea what it should say, so can't begin to guess.
The only other line is:
"Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church, _________________ by me, ___________
I think the first line says "by Bannes" or "by Banus"
I have it scanned, if you wish to see it, I can email you the scan.
Gretchen
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The words on that last line will be "by Banns" :)