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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: popsie58 on Wednesday 02 June 10 18:20 BST (UK)
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I have been searching various Irish web sites for the marriage of my Great Grandparents Patrick Cullen 1861 Crumlin Dublin and Catherine Kate Coleman 1861 Crumlin, without any success. Their first children James 1877, Catherine Ann 1878 and William Thomas 1879 were born in Ireland whilst my Grandfather Michael Thomas was born in Toxteth Park Liverpool in April 1885.. The family appears in the 1891 Census in Liverpool. The 'Irish Foundation' website showed nothing. They were Catholics. Any suggestions much appreceated. Gerry Pople
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The Irish Family History Foundation do not seem to have any records for the Crumlin area, but there are some that appear to be RC on the free website at : http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/index.html
For most parts of the area of Crumlin townland/town would probably be in the RC parish of Rathfarnham. The IrishGenealogy website includes these.
Shane
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Possible match in civil index-
Catherine Coleman MARRIAGE 1875 Dublin South registration district volume 2 page 647
Patrick Cullen - same details
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If I understand your question, they were very young when they got married.
Name: Catherine Coleman
Registration District: Dublin South
Event Type: MARRIAGES
Registration Quarter and Year: 1875
Volume Number: 2
Page Number: 647
Patrick Cullen same details.
From http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=fs%3A1408347&p=collectionDetails
Dara.
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Oops sorry.
The 'red light' only showed Shane's response.
Dara.
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baptisms for one of the children on IrishGenealogy :
Diocese of DUBLIN , Parish of St. James's R.C.
Baptism of : Catharina Anna Cullen
Address : Dolphins Barn
Date : 7 October 1877
Father : Patutuis Cullen (presumably miss-spelling of the latin for Patrick)
Mother : Catharine Coleman
Sponsor 1 : Thomas Foley
Sponsor 2 : Catherine Foley
see Baptism of Catharina Anna Cullen (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/1e9c320431192?name=cullen&name2=coleman&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=1877&type=&diocese=&parish=¢ury=&decade=&sort=&pageSize=10&submit=Search)
Shane
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Thanks everybody that was a great help. Gerry
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see this topic for links and further info : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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I have been searching various Irish web sites for the marriage of my Great Grandparents Patrick Cullen 1861 Crumlin Dublin and Catherine Kate Coleman 1861 Crumlin, without any success. Their first children James 1877, Catherine Ann 1878 and William Thomas 1879 were born in Ireland whilst my Grandfather Michael Thomas was born in Toxteth Park Liverpool in April 1885.. The family appears in the 1891 Census in Liverpool. The 'Irish Foundation' website showed nothing. They were Catholics. Any suggestions much appreceated. Gerry Pople
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Hello, I only started tracing my family tree two weeks ago.
Completely at random, I googled "Cullen / Coleman" (the surnames of my great-grandfather and great-grandmother) and your post on the RootsChat Forum appeared. I have now registered an account here.
I hope it's not too late to reply to your original post. I suspect my great-grandparents and yours have a very close connection. Cullen / Coleman / Crumlin / Liverpool / same era - the similarities are striking!
I'm new here so would appreciate any advice about how to proceed. Do I post the details of my great-grandparents here or message you directly?
Best wishes,
cheekysweep
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Welcome to Rootschat :) Popsie58 who started this thread hasn't been online since 2011.
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Hi aghadowey,
I appreciate your reply.
Yea, I realise it was a bit of a long shot, but thought I'd take a chance.
I was so excited to have made a discovery!
Cheers,
cheeksweep
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Hi. My Grandfather was Michael Thomas Cullen 1853 who married Margaret Jane Maulkin on the 19th Sept. 1906. My Mum Veronica Theresa was one of approx 12 kids. Margaret Jane was C of E which as you can imagine did not go down well. Mum and her sisters Lucy and Ada were sent to an orphanage
on the early death of their parents. Let me know if you want info. and I will see if I can help. Gerry
PS. I do have a copy of the marriage of Patrick and Kate in 1875
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Hi popsie58,
Thank you so much for you reply.
I've been busy at the library most days since I started this. Copying Certificates & Censuses etc., trying to unravel all the names & dates surrounding the Cullens.
It looks like your grandfather Michael Thomas Cullen (b.1885?) and my grandfather John Joseph Cullen (b. 25.10.1887 in Toxteth), were first cousins.
My GGF John Cullen (b. 1854? in Ireland) and your GGF Patrick Cullen (b. 1853 in Ireland?) were brothers.
They each married sisters - John married Ellen Coleman on 13.02.1877, and Patrick married Catherine Coleman on 10.01.1875. The fathers are shown as James Cullen & William Coleman on both certificates.
John and Ellen Cullen went on to have at least 10 children. The two eldest were born in Ireland and the others in Toxteth, Liverpool.
One of John and Ellen's children, Thomas was born in 1888. Your GG parents Patrick and Catherine also had a son called Thomas and he too was born in 1888. (Also cousins).
I couldn't find 'my' Thomas on the 1901 census, nor was there any record of his death. I eventually found him in a Reformatory School in Essex. (I wonder what he'd done?) Happily, he was back home in Toxteth by the time of the 1911 Census and was working as a Coal porter.
Sadly, GGF John Cullen must have died since the 1901 Census as Ellen is shown as a widow. Also, I've just noticed that she declared "14 children born alive, 8 still living and 6 have died."
The early death of your grandparents was a tragedy, leaving all those children orphaned. How traumatic for your mother and her sisters to be sent to an orphanage. Unbearably sad.
Do you have any information about the birth date and/or death date of my GGF John Cullen. I only have '1854' for birth, and anytime between 1901-1911 for his death.
Also, do you know if James Cullen and Catherine Quaid had any other children (brothers and sisters to John and Patrick)? Thanks.
If you think I might have any information you'd find useful, I'll be happy to help.
I'm hoping to take a trip to our main city library tomorrow to do a bit more research.
Cheers and best wishes,
cheekysweep