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Title: Hello all, can someone trace Newman
Post by: boocey on Tuesday 01 June 10 20:17 BST (UK)

I was wondering if any one can help Im trying to trace a Horace William Newman born roughly 1901, I think in banbury/oxfordshire. His father was called Samuel Newman. Horace married Rose Matilda Adkins in 1924 in Bourton, had two children Margaret and Rymond. Thats about all the info I have, it's almost like he disapeared into thin air, Im looking for his death certificate and any other info I can get about him ...thanks in advance, hope someone can help

Title: Re: Hello all, can someone trace Newman
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 01 June 10 20:21 BST (UK)

Hello boocey

I see that he was Horace W. NEWMAN at marriage, but he seems likely to have been William Horace at birth (Birth reg Dec qtr 1900: William Horace NEWMAN, Woodstock 3a 878).

In the 1901 census he appears (if I have the right chap) as William H Newman, 4 month old son of Samuel (46, ag lab b Middle Barton) and Annie (28 b Edinburgh), of Middle Barton, Oxfordshire: RG13/1390/33/6.

Anna :)

Title: Re: Hello all, can someone trace Newman
Post by: boocey on Tuesday 01 June 10 23:14 BST (UK)

Thank you very much, that makes alot more sense as to why I couldnt find him, do you know if I can find when he died. There is a lovely lady in burton who helping me with the adkins side of the family but little is known about William(Horace). Thanks 

Title: Re: Hello all, can someone trace Newman
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 01 June 10 23:16 BST (UK)

I couldn't see an obvious death for him in England & Wales.  Do you know any more - did his children know him whilst they were growing up?  Might he have emigrated? (Or even just gone to Scotland, where he may have had links through his mother's family?)

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Title: Re: Hello all, can someone trace Newman
Post by: boocey on Wednesday 02 June 10 00:16 BST (UK)

Sorry about that I know better for next time, thats really all the information Ive got if I find out any more i'll post it on here, his wife died quite young so maybe he did move to Scotland or abroad, I think it's going to remain a mystery, thanks

Title: Re: Hello all, can someone trace Newman
Post by: boocey on Monday 14 June 10 20:05 BST (UK)

was the changing of names around common back then, on his marriage and daughter's birth certificate he is down as Horace, would that be legal, or is it that I may have the wrong Mr Newman, thanks

Title: Re: Hello all, can someone trace Newman
Post by: wrjones on Monday 14 June 10 20:17 BST (UK)

Whilst I admit I don't know Oxfordshire very well,there is a death recorded in the Banbury District of Oxfordshire in 1957 of a Horace W Newman,his age is estimated to be 56.The GRO reference is Volume 6b,page 839.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Title: Re: Hello all, can someone trace Newman
Post by: censusmick on Monday 14 June 10 20:47 BST (UK)

Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
GRO BDM references gratefully acknowledged as courtesy of FreeBDM ( long may they transcribe )
Pre GRO references gratefully acknowledged as courtesy of Family Search ( I.G.I. )

Hi boocey

The following may be of interest regarding the NEWMAN line - can't vouch 100% !!
It's just the NEWMANs from some of our holdings ( Newman Name Society )

Possible GRO Indexes for Birth, Deaths & Marriages

1937-Q3 Banbury RD    Rose M    Death  age 31
1924-Q3 Banbury RD    Williams  Marriage   to    Rose Matilda Atkins
1901-Q3 Woodstock RD  a James   Death  age 66   ( possible father of Samuel ? )
1901-Q2 Woodstock RD  an Elizabeth Death age 68 ( possible wife of James - nee Franklin ? )
1900-Q4 Woodstock RD  William   Horace  Birth
1912-Q1 Woodstock RD  Samuel    Death  age 58
1899-Q4 Woodstock RD  Samuel    Marriage   to    Annie Amos  -  his 2nd ? Marriage
1896-Q1 Woodstock RD  Joyce     Death  age 46    Samuels 1st ? wife
1873-Q4 Woodstock RD  Samuel    Marriage   to    Joyce Clark(e) - his 1st ? Marriage
1870-Q1 Woodstock RD  an ANN    Death ?bc.1794  ( possible wife of Robert ? nee Branford ? )
1852-Q3 Woodstock RD  a James   Marriage   to    Elizabeth Franklin ?
1851-Q4 Woodstock RD  a Robert  Death ?bc.1788? ( possible son of Thomas & Ann ( nee Franklin !! ? )

Possible Census listings :

1901 1390-033    Samuel 46 & Annie 28 ( nee Amos ? )  parents of William Horace
1891 1172-045    Samuel 37 & Joyes 42 ( nee Clark / Clarke ) + 6 kids
1881 1509-056    Samuel 26 & Joyce 32 + 4 kids & M-in-Law Rosetta Clark
1881 1509-055    virtually next door were his parents ?  James 46 & Elizabeth 46 + 6 kids
1871 1446-060    Samuel 16        son of  James 36 & Elizabeth 37 ( nee Franklin ? ) + 7 other kids
1861 0901-045    Samuel  6        son of  James 26 & Elizabeth 26 ( nee Franklin ? ) + 2 other kids
1851 1730-133    James  16        son of  Robert 62 & Ann 58 ( nee Branford ? ) + 1 other kid
1841 0889-05/15  James   6        son of  Robert 50 & Ann 40 ( ages rounded down for 1841 ? ) + 5 other kids

Possible I.G.I. entries

1816-??-??  Mrg  Robert Newman to Anne Branford  - Steeple Barton OXF
1835-06-14  Chr  James Newman son of Robert / Anne - Steeple Barton OXF

Any confirmation of the above would be gratefully received.  ( I need the brownie points !! )

Cheers      Mick - a small cog in the Newman Name Society  (  oops - another plug !!! )

PS From the Deaths up to 1945 William H has some entries for CBY of around 1900 ( Computed Birth Year )
-  but he probably survived after 1945 ?  I show these for interest - I have no further details

William H entries ( just the inital H ) start around 1910.

1928-Q1 Kensington RD       William H  age 30 CBY 1898
1932-Q1 Gateshead RD        William H  age 37 CBY 1895
1933-Q1 Holborn RD          William H  age 30 CBY 1903
1941-Q2 Chesterfield RD     William H  age 40 CBY 1901
1941-Q3 Bromsgrove RD       William H  age 42 CBY 1899
1941-Q4 Northumberland C RD William H  age 52 CBY 1899
1943-Q4 Brighton RD         William H  age 43 CBY 1900

No Horace W Deaths found from 1920 up to 1945 Deaths that match near his CBY

Title: Re: Hello all, can someone trace Newman
Post by: wrjones on Monday 14 June 10 20:55 BST (UK)

Please note I won't be charging the Newman Name Society for finding the death of Horace W Newman in 1957.lol

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Title: Re: Hello all, can someone trace Newman
Post by: boocey on Monday 14 June 10 21:11 BST (UK)

Thank you so much for the replys, Im really new to this. My great nan was Rose Matilda and she died at 31, I can not see a Horace William, so it is looking more likely his name was originaly William at birth.  Thank you all so much, that information will help alot, Im going to look into it and will post what I find out


thanks

Title: Re: Hello all, can someone trace Newman
Post by: boocey on Monday 14 June 10 21:52 BST (UK)

Thanks  wrjones for finding his death aswell, I had no clue as to how old he was or where  he died, thats is gonna to help a great deal

Title: Re: Hello all, can someone trace Newman
Post by: wrjones on Monday 14 June 10 22:03 BST (UK)

I'm pleased to be able to help,don't worry its not rocket science,once you get to know where all the records are,you won't need to ask for any look ups here.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Title: Re: Hello all, can someone trace Newman
Post by: boocey on Thursday 17 June 10 19:39 BST (UK)

Whats the Newman name society :)

Title: Re: Hello all, can someone trace Newman
Post by: wrjones on Thursday 17 June 10 20:35 BST (UK)

See Census Mick's contribution.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Title: Re: Hello all, can someone trace Newman
Post by: censusmick on Monday 21 June 10 10:49 BST (UK)

Hi boocey and William

boocey, sorry for the delay in getting back with the Newman Name Society information.
I had to verify with our group that it was OK to advertise the 2 links below.

And William, grateful thanks for not charging me for the later GRO information.
With the dread of a £78,000 bill arriving for my share of National Debt every little bit saved helps !!!!

Also, to paraphrase the immortal words of the captured U-Boat Captain in Dad's Army :
"Zat name vill alzo go in ze book"  ( or database )

Cheers and good luck in your research

Mick

http://newmanonenamestudy.tribalpages.com/

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