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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: geavic on Tuesday 01 June 10 04:45 BST (UK)
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I have been searching for the parents of Michael Egan (b.1847) who married Jane Donohoe in 1870 and was resident in NSW. On the birth certificate of his second or third son "Patrick Egan" (1872-1963) the informant was "Patrick Egan" who described himself as Father of Emu Plains and I think that means father to Michael. Can anyone assist in confirming Michael's parents?
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there is a Michael Egan born 1846 NSW parents William and Mary
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EGAN Michael - Christening 1846
Father: William
Mother: Mary
Reg Year: 1846
Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: V18462021 63
Parish: East Maitland; Maitland; West Maitland, Roman Catholic
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Thank you for your prompt replies wimbush75 and ~Merlin~
Michael's birth certificate indicates under Issue: 2 males living;
William and Mary appear to have only one possible previous child registered in NSW which was MARTHA ( V1840338 145/1840). Michael may have been the second child, although I found no registry entry for his death, with the parents stated.
They may have immigrated before 1846 and had other issue. I have found three possible age correlations:
1. Michael EGAN 35, wife Bridget 38, John 5, Michael 3, Mary A (baby) arrived Port Adelaide on 10-10-1849 on Cheapside from London. (Possibly the SA branch of the EGAN name)
3. Michael arriving on Abysinnian from Tipperary on Sept 20 1859. (Possibly the QLD branch of the EGAN name)
2. I have elimated Michael Egan aged 3 arrived aboard the Harry Lorrequer, on March 14, 1851. This family settled in Victoria.
Paul
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Civil registration did not begin in NSW until 1856, so it would be a baptism entry for Michael in 1846, not a birth certificate. Are you saying that the baptism entry has a note of previous issue? Michael's age and place of birth should be given on Patrick's 1872 birth certificate ???
Debra
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This is an extract dated 17 Nov.1890 and states at the bottom "I, Charles Hart Townley Pinhey, do hereby certify that the above is a true copy of an entry in a Register of Births kept at the Registry General's Office, Sydney". Michael's age and place of birth is 25 years and he was born in Ireland.
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So Michael came to Australia sometime between his birth around 1847 and his marriage in 1870. Do you have his parents' names from his marriage certificate? If he immigrated as an adult, the shipping records often give family details, and if he came with his parents then their names will help to find the right Michael. Just having a quick look, I can see a 12 year old in 1859 who might be him with a widowed mother Bridget (father Patrick dead) and siblings.
Debra
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Yes I have the marriage certificate which shows Michael was a widower, and there is unfortunately no entry for the parents of either Jane or Michael. I have not been able to trace the previous marriage.
I believe a 12 year old Michael was aboard the Abyssinian and daughter Maria who married A.Pollock of Camperdown, Sydney was the depositor.
Paul
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There is a tree on Ancestry that states Michael died 1925 at Murrumburrah.
The NSW entry for that death shows parents as Patrick and Bridget Ref #2824
Annie
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He was very young to be a widower :-\
Annie
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Annie, yes very young.
There is also a marriage of Jane Donohoe (1879-1962) and John F Egan (1870-1953) in 1913. Their researchers also claim the Murrumburrah tombstone records, to which, I would point out the age and dates on the tombstone. I have a photograph of that tombstone which is a shared plot and indicates the following burials:
Michael Egan died 16 March, 1925. aged 79 years...................... (b.1847)
Jane Egan died 3rd August 1926, aged 78 years .........................(b.1848)
Bridget Egan died 18th July, 1888 aged 77...................................(b.1811)
John Egan died 28 Dec.1921 aged 51 years............................... (b.1870)
Catherine Keogh died 30 Dec.1910, aged 34 years
A Catherine Egan b.1876 in Murrumburrah married Patrick Keogh in 1910
A Catherine Egan died in 1910 in Murrumburrah as above.
Any information on this would be helpfull.
The death of Michael (79) correlates with the arrival of a Michael on the "Cheapside" (arrived Port Adelaide on 10-10-1849). The age of Bridget arriving on the same ship matches the tombstone in Cootamundra which states Bridget was 77 when she died in 1888.
In this discussion below ("elizabethoz" item 13 and 15), there is the probable connection of this group to the Victorian lineage of Egan.
There are sufficient annomolies for those referenced on the headstone to question whether or not Michael and Jane returned to the Upper Hunter from Hartley district after the birth of Catherine in 1876. It appears there may not be the confirming evidence to link the later births in Murrumburrah to the same Michael Egan.
Thank you Debra and Annie and elizabethoz
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Do you have Michael or Bridget's death certificates? The Bridget who arrived on the Abyssinian is listed with parents Daniel and Hannah LYNCH. These certs might provide some clues including time lived in each state. I have death certs which do not give parents' names on the indexes, but have full names on the certificates.
Debra
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That is interesting and I have looked at Daniel and Hannah Lynch before without conclusion but I was discouraged. - Bridget was 39 (b.1820) and this would not match the Cootamundra tombstone, also, as Bridget's husband Patrick is deceased, it does not fit with the Informant's entry on Patrick jnr.'s birth extract (as above) indicating he was alive in 1872 and in Australia.
There were listed additional Egan children on board the Abyssinian from Tipperary on Sept 20 1859.
i) John aged 20 (b.1839),
ii) Daniel aged 16 (b1843),
iii) Michael aged 12 (b.1847),
iv) Ann aged 9 (b,1850),
v) Bridget aged 7 (b1852)
I do NOT have the death certificates and appreciate your recommendation that this is the way to go to clear things up.
Paul
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I am sure that the Michael Egan you are all referring to, was Michael Egan, born to John Egan and Annie Macnamara.
John and Annie had the following children, Lawrence Mac Egan born 1804 says co. clare, Margaret Egan born 1807 co clare, Bridget Egan born 1809 co clare John Thompson Egan born 1811 Co Clare, Michael Egan born 1813 Co Clare, Married Bridget Corcoran, married in Ireland, chn in Ireland chn in Victoria, died Melbourne, Catherine Egan born 1819 co clare, Ireland, married Henry Thomasson in Adelaide, chn in Coleraine, Victoria and South Australia, Mary Jane Egan b. c 1823 Co Clare, Ireland m. Thomas Beardsworth Crompton married at coleraine, Victoria, moved to Queensland. Francis Egan b 1824 Co Clare, d. 1874 Greenwald Station m. Mary Rogers 1826-1912 No further records at this time on Michael's father and mother, John Egan and Annie Macnamara, regards, Elizabethoz
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elizabethoz Thank You
Michael born 1847 could be son of a child of John Egan and Annie McNamara.
He would not be a direct son as there is a generation difference with their children.
Also this pedigree relates to the Egan families in Victoria, and my understanding is they were a different family lineage to Michael Egan and Jane Donohoe of the Upper Hunter, New South Wales. There could of course be some early connections.
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. Michael EGAN 35, wife Bridget 38, John 5, Michael 3, Mary A (baby) arrived Port Adelaide on 10-10-1849 on Cheapside from London. (Possibly the SA branch of the EGAN name)
3. Michael arriving on Abysinnian from Tipperary on Sept 20 1859. (Possibly the QLD branch of the EGAN name)
2. I have elimated Michael Egan aged 3 arrived aboard the Harry Lorrequer, on March 14, 1851. This family settled in Victoria.
Paul
Hi again, the above post by Paul about Michael Egan who was the son of john Egan and Annie Macnamara, he came out to South Australia, with his wife whose maiden name was Bridget Corcoran. If I find any information about the Michael Egan you are looking for, I will post it on this chat, regards Elizabethoz
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elizabethoz Thank You, I see, which post you reponded to now.
There are some correlations in the age of Bridget and Michael who arrived in Port Adelaide on the Cheapside with those referenced on the tombstone in Murrumburrah. Do you think there is any relationship between them ?
Further to information provided via the Hunter Valley history association I have determined that my great grandfather, Michael arrived with his mother, the widow Bridget Egan on 20 Sep 1859 aboard the ship "Abysinnian" which docked at both Sydney and Newcastle.
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elizabethoz Thank You, I see, which post you reponded to now.
There are some correlations in the age of Bridget and Michael who arrived in Port Adelaide on the Cheapside with those referenced on the tombstone in Murrumburrah.
Do you think there is any relationship between them ?
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I don't think that there is a connection between John Egan and Annie Macnamara's son Michael or any of his descendants. But I recently attended the Egan clan Rally in Hobart, so will reach out to the members to see if any of them are connected in anyway to the Michael Egan of Emu Plains. The next Egan Rally is to be held in Ireland in 2012, anyone with a connection to any Egan is always welcome to attend, just get in touch with Clan Egan here in Australia, regards Elizabethoz
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Thank you for your offer to discuss this.
My primary query now seeks the parents of my great grandfather Michael Egan circa 1847 Ireland; He lived in Aberdeen, in the Hunter valley and was a widower; He married Jane Donohoe 1870 in Blandford, Upper Hunter; first child John, born 1871 near Scone, and other children including my grandfather Patrick, registered born 1872 at Hartley. The family then moved to Junee, where I think Michael worked on the State railways.
We know from the birth extract 1872 for Patrick junior, that Michael was his father and Jane Donohoe his mother. The name Patrick is referenced as the "Informant" with the description "Father" of "Emu Plains". Is Patrick a priest (Father Patrick), otherwise why dows he use the term "Father"?
Any leads would be appreciated.
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I have determined that my great grandfather, Michael arrived with his mother, the widow Bridget Egan on 20 Sep 1859 aboard the ship "Abysinnian" which docked at both Sydney and Newcastle.
I am now searching for the parents of Michael from Ireland (Broadford?). I know from the ships log that his mother was Bridget Lynch, daughter of Daniel and Hannah Lynch a widower who married Patrick Egan, recorded as deceased on the arrival of Bridget and six children in Australia