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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: balmae on Monday 31 May 10 17:17 BST (UK)
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Anyone any ideas why Thomas Campbell, born in Girvan in 1833, and Elizabeth Logan, born in Carsphairn in 1830, could be in Ireland and marry in Co Tipperary Ireland in 1855. They returned that year to farm at Balmae, near Kirkcudbright? What a conundrum!
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Do you have a date for the marriage? and what's the source- a child's birth certificate? I.G.I. lists several children- including one born 1855 in Scotland so if this couple did marry in Ireland they didn't (or at least Elizabeth didn't) wait too long to come back to Scotland.
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The date I have is April 1855 and this was from the birth certificates of their two of their children - Elizabeth born June 1855 and John born January 1874. Balmae was on land owned by the Earl of Selkirk and I have tried to ascertain if there was Selkirk land in Ireland. It seems curious for this young couple to be in Southern Ireland at the time of the famine. The family lived the rest of their lives around Kirkcudbright. Any theories welcome!
I have also tried to follow up a marriage certificate in Co Tipperary without success.
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Do you know what religion they were? civil registration of Catholic marriages in Ireland began in 1864 but non-catholic marriages from 1845. Civil index is online (free)-
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails&c=fs%3A1408347
Also try this part of LDS Pilot site-
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails&c=fs%3A1584964
Griffith's Valuation covers all of Ireland and is mid 1800s so that might indicate whether of not the Earl of Selkirk had land in Tipperary.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
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Thank you for your suggestions.
I have tried marriage records in the area without success though it was some time ago so I shall look again at the sites you have marked as new items are coming on line all the time.
Griffiths Valuations turned up nothing to connect Selkirks directly with Tipperary but there is always the possiblity that the land was through a marriage connection.
This is my first chat on Roots so I am very encouraged by your response.
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Did a uick search and found a possible marriage in civil index-
Thomas Campbell 1855 Cashel registration district (Co.Tipperary) volume 3 page 323
Elizabeth Logan (same details)
With these details you can order the certificate. See here for details on marriage certificates (not as good as Scottish ones, I'm afraid), how to order certificate, etc.
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html
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Can also add that his father was Hugh Campbell and hers John Logan. The marriage took place 20 March 1855 in Fethard, Co. Tipperary.
The certificate will give occupation of bride and groom as well as their fathers, residences of bride and groom at time of marriage, names of 2 witnesses, exact place of marriage and name of officiant.
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I got onto search.labs.familysearch straight away and got the details - I am amazed! So now I can follow up the certificate. Thank you so much.
I shall just have to imagine WHY they were there in the first place
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I already had Hugh Campbell and John Logan from their birth certificates but all the other details will fill the picture and are just what I need to go forward.
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The groom's occupation on the certificate might explain what he was doing in Ireland- perhaps in army? landsteward?
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The occupation is the key so will organise the certificate.
Cheers!
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The marriage certificate gave place as Mobarnane, Fethard. Found it by Google to be a country house hotel now. Sent email query and had a detailed response explaining that David Tennant from Howwell, Kirkcudbright has bought the property and land in 1853 using his inheritance from his father so it would seem he brought his workers with him when he took up residence. Thomas and Elizabeth returned to Scotland after their marriage in 1855 while the Tennants established themselves at Mobarnane and were buried there. Thanks for your help with this.
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I also have the same problem, my gt grandparents George Wilson and Mary Ann Purdham went from Kirkcudbrightshire to Cork to marry, the father's of both of them went as well, this was in 1968, on the 1871 census they are now living in Cheshire, also one child Isabella born 1868 in Westward, Cumberland, and Julia Annie born 1871.
My parents did talk about a monthly payment being made from the Haig family ( whisky distillery) until the day that she died, but I don't know which child they refer to.
But why did they need to travel to Ireland to wed?
I suspect that the fact they ended up working in a manor house a long way from home was arranged, why?
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The key to the answer of my problem was the marriage certificate. If you could obtain yours it may pinpoint the place in Cork and you may then be able to make a connection with Kirkcudbright.
English and Scottish farmers were encouraged to buy up debt ridden estates in Ireland owned by absentee landlords in 1850's.
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Thank you for that information, as you say I think the key is going to be the marriage certificate, I need to find a contact for the registry office there now!
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If you look back on this thread to 31 May 10 there are a couple of links which may help you. You can then apply on line to certificates.ie to buy.
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Her surname is slightly incorrect as Purdam
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/4980ca11244454
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/4980ca11244454
Research photocopy cost €4
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do
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Hi Sinnan, her surname has been spelt differently several times during my research, it has been, Purdham, Purdam and also Purdom.
I have downloaded the form now that I need to apply for the certificate, I will send that off today and then wait!
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Extracted marriage record-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZP-3WK