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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: HugoBeauchamp on Sunday 30 May 10 12:54 BST (UK)
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Is there SKS who has a sub to Ancestry.com.au that would be kind enough to locate a copy of the immigration details for Herbert Frank BEAUCHAMP (1st cousin once removed) who according to Index to Registers of Immigrant Ships' Arrivals 1848-1912 of Queensland arrived Brisbane aboard ss KAIKOURA on 24 Sep 1911.
Many thanks
H
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There's not a great deal more than you already know:
Name: Herbert Beauchamp
Age: 24
Birth Year: abt 1887
Place of Origin: England
Ship Name: Kaikoura
Port of Departure: London, England
Port of Arrival: Brisbane
Arrival Date: 24 Sep 1911
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Thanks Ruskie - much appreciated!
Just a thought, does the image show anything more than the transcription?
H
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Hugo, do you need more information about Herbert's immigration? If so, I can go to the Queensland State Archives and see if more is revealed on the film - but I have no idea what else it may tell you.
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Looks as if we have just crossed in the post!
If you are going there and have time I would really appreciate it.
H
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It's no trouble Hugo. :) I'll try to pop over some time this week.
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Hi Hugo,
I'll send you a PM about the other lookups I did at the Archives, but will continue here with Herbert's lookup in case someone else is searching for him one day and comes across this thread.
I looked at the film but there are very few details I'm afraid. Something of interest is that all of the passengers appear to have been male Railway workers from various parts of the British Isles. So there was probably some kind of recruitment drive in the UK for Railway navvies.
Herbert is listed as a labourer.
For your files the film details are: IMM/125, page: 235, film: Z1966.
That's it I'm afraid. :-\
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Hi Ruskie
Very many thanks, much appreciated! ;)
H
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You're welcome - let me know if you need any more lookups. :)
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Thanks again Ruskie - youre a star ;D
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Fascinated to see this correspondence. I wonder if I could tempt anyone to check out another immigrant - Thomson Low - who ended up in Far North Queensland as a sugar planter. Thomson was born at Forgue, Aberdeenshire in 1847. He was back in Scotland in 1891 in time for the census which is how I know he was a planter. By then he was married to Barbara Alexander, again an Aberdeenshire girl (and very distant relative of mine), though they did not marry in Scotland so I'm intrigued to know if she had emigrated and they met in Australia.
Thomson's name turned up the other day in an item in the real estate section of the FNQ Independent. It mentioned a Thomson Low Drive in Shannonville, near Mossman. Apparently the Drive is named after "... one of the valley's early, and infamous cane planters". Why infamous? Was he a blackbirder?
I don't have worldwide Ancestry but the indexes show that Thomson died in 1902 while Barbara lived on until about 1938. She appears in many of the censuses in the district of Herbert.
Any thoughts on when they might have arrived in Australia and where exactly they lived and why Thomson became notrious? Thomson was the youngest of 10 children, 9 of them boys, to a farmer so would probably have arrived in Australia with no money. I wonder if he ever rose far enough to own a plantation or if his notoriety was just through the way he managed some owners interests?
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Qld on line BDM show
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m
reg no 1903/C913
Thomson Low
father John Low mother Margaret Thomson
reg no 1938/C2424
Barbara Low
father George Alexander mother Christian Reid
the C in the registration denotes country qld.
Jenn
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Can't see a marriage or children in Qld before 1891 with either name.
Did he return to Australia? There is a cemetery record as follows:
Thomson LOW, 55, b abt 1847
Died: 12 Dec 1902, buried Port Douglas Cemetery
Cairns and District Family History Society Inc have information apparently.
The BMD index for this shows:
1903, Thomson LOW, parents: John Low, Margaret Thomson. Reg no: C913
(The death was obviously not registered for a month or so)
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=births
Can't see either of them in assisted shipping lists for Qld.
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/index/immigration.asp
Judith
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Barbara Low is on the Electoral Rolls with a Robert David Low .
I cannot find a death for him up to 1964
but the newspapers online do carry a couple of stories about him re the Mossman Mill.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2819932
Jenn
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Thank you so much.
Jenn, that newspaper link is to an item about the 100,000th immigrant? I've not found any mention of Thomson Low in a general search or by searching on Mossman Mill. What am I missing here?
What is interesting though is that Robert David Low by 1911 or so is the chairman of the Mossman Mill. He indeed travels about with Mrs Thomson Low so presumably is a son. However he does not appear in the QLD births! Intriguing too is that the pair of them travelled a couple of times at least with a Miss Jensen. Who was she?
Judith thanks for the thought about the Cairns and District FHS. I'll get in touch with them.
I've now checked and discovered that the Low family mostly disappeared from Scotland between 1851 and 1861. That would be John Low (b1803) and his wife Margaret Thomson (bc1807) and possibly eight children (James, William, David, Margaret, Alexander, Gavin, Robert and Thomson) - the two eldest (George and John) definitely ended their lives in Scotland. There is no sign of the children thereafter though the parents were back by 1871, John having retired. Perhaps they all came to Australia?
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regarding the newspaper link
you have to put into the search engine who or what you are looking for.
Jenn
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I don't know about being a Son as he would have had to have been born 1881 or earlier?
Not impossible but where was he born?
Could he be Thomson's brother Robert?
Jenn
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I spoke to a very lovely lady at the Douglas Shire Council who tells me she has passed info onto a Mr McDonald who I am assuming is Cabrach :)
Just to dd in here for others who may do a google search etc etc etc ;D
Barbara low is also buried in the Same grace as Thompson Low
Robert David low was Thompson 's nephew but no sign of his burial in Ay where he resied up to 1954 by the Electoral Rolls
kind thoughts Jenn
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Yes that's me. Thanks for all that. Pam at Douglas Shire has been fantastic, even found a photo of Thomson.
He arrived at Mossman around March 1895 and bought a house called Shannonvale with 160 acres and turned 60 acres over to cane. From 1896-1902 he was a director of the Mossman Mill.
He was very large, liked to drink in town occasionally and career around on his horse. I suppose that made him notorious.
Pam's notes suggested that earlier he had been in the West Indies and Brazil. I found reference to him in the West Indies. He and Barbara got married there in 1876 at Essequeba in Guyana where he was the manager of the Aurora plantation. They disappeared again between 1882 and 1890 presumably having gone to Brazil. Can't find any trace in Brazil though
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Just a quick note to confirm that Thomson Low did in fact own the homestead "Shannonvale" on Shannonvale Road in Mossman. I grew up on the farm and my parents still own it. My Grandmother and father know a little about the Low family but we too are presently trying find out what happened to Robert David Low. I am wondering if he actually returned to Scotland?!?
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That'll be the Rossi's then?
Intriguingly, among shipping records I've found in January 1892 a Mr T Low makes a trip from Southampton to Bahia in Brazil. Then in November a Mr T Low goes also from Southampton to Demerara, British Guiana. Finally in Nov 1894 a Mr T Low and Mrs Low go from London to Sydney. These don't prove anything but they are interestingly coincidental.
There is no sign of Robert dying in Scotland.
The Queensland indexes suggest he was on the electoral roll at Herbert until at least 1954. They also fail to show his death up until 1964. I suspect he died after that date but we won't know unless someone makes a search at the Queensland archives for a more recent death.
Problem is I don't even know when Robert might have been born or who his parents were (Thomson had 8 brothers and it could have been any of them).
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Regarding Robert David Low he appears on the 1903 Electoral and onwards,
so that would give a birth year prior to 1881
I noted with interest that on the 1903 roll there is a Frederick George Irvine Low, Barracks, Mossman Mill. Perhaps just a sheer coincidence with the surname.
Robert is not buried in Ayr the town where he was on the electoral roll in 1954 or in Townsville the closest big town.
Jenn
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The Queensland indexes suggest he was on the electoral roll at Herbert until at least 1954. They also fail to show his death up until 1964. I suspect he died after that date but we won't know unless someone makes a search at the Queensland archives for a more recent death.
Unfortunately the death indexes at the Archives only go up to 1964 too. :-\
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Thanks Jenn. That dating is useful. Does it mean that people could not vote until 22?
FGI Low is new to me.
Ruskie, I realise that the on-line index stops at 1964 but presumably some organisation somewhere keeps track of deaths since then? I'm in England so I'm profoundly ignorant of how any of that is organised in Australia. Perhaps as in England it takes significant fees before a record can be produced.
Ian
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I should have put birth as circa as you had to be 21 to vote ;D
there is thisdeath in NSW
reg no 29854/1955
name LOW ROBERT DAVID
father JAMES
mother NOT KNOWN
district PETERSHAM
Petersham is an inner Sydney Suburb ( as coincidence goes we are off to there tomorrow for a few days to celebrate hubbys 60th with his family)
Jenn
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Jenn, that is fantastic. The date is reasonable for our man and there cannot be many Robert David Lows around so I think that is a high probability. It is a shame no mother is listed. Thomson Low did have an elder brother, James (b1830), but he has been proving elusive in Scotland. I've not found him in the 1861 census but may have him in 1871 - though no sign of a wife at that point (but no reason to suppose that Robert David was legitimate). Linking father and son and confirming RDLs birth may be tricky.
Have a good time in Sydney.
Ian
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Just to clarify the family position on the Lows I've checked the death indexes for QLD, NSW and Vic for all of Thomson's possible brothers. NSW is the only one that has any with plausible parents and it comes up with the following:
Registration Number Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) District
12685/1897 LOW JAMES JOHN MARGARET NARRANDERA
14420/1902 LOW WILLIAM JOHN MARGARET LOCKHART
9268/1920 LOW WILLIAM H JOHN MARGARET GRETA
9230/1900 LOW DAVID JOHN MARGARET KATOOMBA
John and Margaret are the appropriate parent names and Thomson had elder brothers called James (b1830), William (b1832) and David (b1835). William H I don't recognise. This could mean that three Low brothers came out to Australia first and Thomson came out much later after having got his main sugar planting days behind him. Wish I knew the ages at death for these other Lows.
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A James Low aged 18 born 1831C arrived in NSW !st April1849
on the Lord George Bentinck
Origin Location Ely, Fifeshire
Jenn
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Thanks, Jenn but its not him. He is from Forgue, Aberdeenshire. Manifests are often wrong but not to that extent I reckon.