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I am hoping someone can help as I am stumped as to where to look next. My grandfathers parents are John Edwards b c 1878 and Elizabeth Alice Glossop b c 1876. On their marraige certificate it has John's father as a John Edwards Ships Cook. In the 1911 Census it has John Jnrs place of birth as Liverpool, yet on my Grandfathers attestation papers for the Kings Liverpool Regiment in April 1929 John's nationality is Spanish.
My Grandmother always said there was Spanish blood on my Grandfathers side as he was dark complexioned, black hair brown eyes and his father was also dark complexioned.
Can anyone give any advice on how to proceed with this?
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He could have been born in Spain but a British Subject.
Do you have them on earlier Census entries.?
Where did John and Elizabeth Marry?
Trish
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Trish, they married in Liverpool Parish Church according to the marriage certificate, they where living in and around the Everton district. I thought about maybe his father serving in the military and him being born abroad, but then why put Liverpool down in the Census return of 1911.
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Maybe that was where he remembers living the most.
I think you need the Marriage Cert to find Parents names.
I have searched for John Edwards born c 1878 Liverpool on the 1881 Census.
Most of the Parents seem Irish.
There is one 3yrd Boarder born Liverpool.
I will look at 1891 as well but without at least a Fathers name and Occp Edwards is a very common name.
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OOPS silly me Ships Cook.
Ok then it is possible Wife travelled with him and had a child abroad.
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Well this one has me well and truly stumped ??? ::)
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Hi Scouse_mouse,
There's this one :)
1891 Everton
RG12/2942/42/12
William Roberts H mar 50 bookkeeper
Agnes " wife 56
Maria Edwards daur 17
John " son 12
Albert Roberts son 3
Ann " daur 9mths
All born L'pool
1881 Everton
RG11/3654/101/18
Agnes Edwards H wid 27 charwoman
Maria " daur 7
John " son 2
All born L'pool
maidmarion :)
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Hello,
what is John's occupation on his marriage certificate and also do the witnesses give any clues- any Edwards? :D
heywood
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Following on from maidmarion's find
Lancashire BMD has this marriage
1873 Liverpool St Mary Magdalene
ref Liverpool 2115LP/1/81 (GRO ref Mar 1873 8b.99)
Agnes TRIPP
John EDWARDS
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That could be promising hiraeth :)
Lancs opc has the marriage:
30 Jan 1873 St Mary Magdalene, Liverpool
John Edwards - (X), 24 Ships Steward Bachelor of Liverpool
Agnes Tripp - 19 Spinster of West Derby
Groom's Father: John Edwards, Merchant
Bride's Father: John Jones Tripp, Rigger
Witness: William Roberts; Mary Kent, (X)
heywood
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Just noticed that the witness is William Roberts- wonder if it's the same one?
(ages are wrong in 1891- poor copy)
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Well well well :) John Edwards occ Ship's Cook on son's marriage certificate and occ Ship's Steward on his own certificate are not dissimilar are they?
H
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I was thinking on those lines and if this is correct - dad died when John was very young so it could well have been altered slightly through the years.
I hope it is - although how it could be proven I don't know.
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Hi Scouse_mouse
On the attestation papers is the word Spain or Spanish. Perhaps John Edwards' father died in Spain (at sea?) and the form was misread somehow?
H
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H, sorry for not getting back sooner been away for couple of days. Some great leads to follow up on thanks. As to your last reply, it states Spanish on my grandfathers attestation papers for the nationality of his dad John edwards. This is what has caused so much confusion as the 1911 census has him born in liverpool, and as my grandfather and apparantly John Edwards where all dark skinned with black hair and brown eyes and the family always thought that someone along the line was from spain, not this may have been his John's mother but just so hard to pinpoint.
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Heywood, thanks for the information. It would'nt take much to go from steward to cook over the years and the fathers name is correct. Still puzzled as to where this Spanish Nationality came from as one usually did not take your wife with you when you went to sea, especially a steward.
But this is very promising anyway. Many Thanks Again
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Hello,
just catching up after a few days absence. It is odd re Spanish Nationality - and would be difficult to sort out.
Good luck with it all
heywood
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Hello .I am so excited.I have all the information you need for John Edwards who married Agnes Trip .They had 2 children .Maria ( My maternal grandmother) and John.
John senior was indeed a ships cook and perished when the ship he was serving on sank in Ice off the coast of Anticosti when John was 2.
I have so much information and would appreciate it if you can let me know if you have received this before I get into too much detail.
Please contact ASAP
Christine
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Hello .I am so excited.I have all the information you need for John Edwards who married Agnes Trip .They had 2 children .Maria ( My maternal grandmother) and John.
John senior was indeed a ships cook and perished when the ship he was serving on sank in Ice off the coast of Anticosti when John was 2.
I have so much information and would appreciate it if you can let me know if you have received this before I get into too much detail.
Please contact ASAP
Christine
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Hi Christine, Welcome to Rootschat. Scouse Mouse has not been on Rootschat since June 2010. If you make one more post to bring your total to 3 (just reply to this one and you are there). You will be able to send Scouse Mouse a Private Message, they may pick this up if they still have the same email address. Once you have the 3 just click on Scouse Mouses name on one of their posts and you will see their profile and the option to send a Private Message on the left. Good Luck.
Regards
Kathb
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Hi Christine,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
I will check on Scouse Mouse for you as it has been a while since they last logged ii, I am sure that they will be excited to hear from you.
Regards
Sarah :)