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I have been looking into the Hitchcock line of my gt grannies family and we all originally thought they were from Scotland. But when i traced it back they were all in fact from London/Oxfordshire areas.
I know the late great Sir Alfred Hitchcock was born in East London so would it be that hard to find a link if there is one?
Any help would be great! 8)
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If I were you I'd start by tracing Alfred Hitchcock's family and then see if it ties in anywhere with yours. There's probably info about him on the net to get you started with dates, places etc.
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Good idea Ruskie...never thought about doing Alf's line.
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Hitchcock was born on 13 August 1899 in Leytonstone, London, the second son and youngest of three children of William Hitchcock (1862–1914), a greengrocer and poulterer, and Emma Jane Hitchcock (née Whelan; 1863–1942). He was named after his father's brother, Alfred. His family was mostly Roman Catholic, with his mother and paternal grandmother being of Irish extraction.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Hitchcock">Alfred Hitchcock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a>
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I doubt there is any connection at all but when you have a famous surname like Hitchcock in your family line it is worth investigating. ;D
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Hi
William Hitchcock was born circa 1866 (more likely a little older) in Stratford Essex. The family are in Leyton on the 1901 census. Alfred was one of 3,184 Hitchcocks enumerated on the 1901 census for England.
Father of William appears to be Joseph born circa 1829 Stratford Essex who (you'd have to prove it) appears to be the son of Charles born circa 1791 Dedham Essex (north of Colchester) all shopkeepers.
Leyton and Leytonstone became part of Greater London in 1965. Up until then they were in Essex.
'Until the arrival of the railways in 1839 much of Stratford was open countryside in the historic county of Essex. From 1889 to 1965 it was part of the County Borough of West Ham, which shared geographical boundaries with the ancient Parish of West Ham. With the formation of Greater London in 1965 Stratford became a part of the London Borough of Newham.'
So an Essex family strictly speaking not an East London family.
Regards
Valda
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Brant what is the furthest you have got back on your Hitchcocks and what part of London?
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Hi Coombs,
Furthest I have gone back is 1781 a Joseph Hitchcock but I haven't found a London link. My line are all from Enstone Oxfordshire. Only Hitchcock I have in London is Benjamin Hitchcock but he was only there through his job in the Police Force from 1899 - 1920.
I doubt there would ever be a link but be nice if there was....Never say never, I suppose! :-\
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It does look unlikely but there may be a very far back connection.
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Myself and someone else who is studying Huguenot families of London found out that the Kray Twins had some of my ancestors in their tree. :o :o
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Kray Twins...that would be quite a cool addition to your tree. Scores you brownie points down the pub.
An ex-girlfriends father who worked at a local mental hospital was introduced to the brother Charlie in the 90's. He said he was a lovely bloke. But from what I have read baout the Kray's Charlie was the one with the head on his shoulders.
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Yes their ancestor Mary Obey married in 1804 and one of the witnesses was my ancestor Samuel Obey.
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Hi.
Charles Hitchcock 1791 is my GG Grandfather and Iam trying to find his parents and siblings.
I must admit it was a great to find the connection.
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I walked past the blind beggar pub in Whitechapel once. I would be treated like a king if I said I was related to the Krays. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hi.
Charles Hitchcock 1791 is my GG Grandfather and Iam trying to find his parents and siblings.
I must admit it was a great to find the connection.
Hi Lizzy56, my name is Shelley 75 and Im trying to find the connection between our family tree and Alfred Joseph Hitchcock family tree. My GGGG Grandfather was born John Hitchock in about 1790 in Essex, do you know if your GG Grandfather Charles Hitchcock born about 1791 in Essex had a brother called John. Or if Charles had a brother called Richard Hitchcock born 1810 in Essex. My grandfather always told me and my dad that Alfred was connected to the family and we are trying to find the link. The likeness and characteristics of Sir Alfred Hitchcock and my Grandfather are so similar we are shore there is a link somewhere back in the tree. We ve traced our family back as far as John Hitchcock born 1790. Can you help.
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Hi Shelley75.
Im having problem's trying to trace the siblings of Charles. I have a marriage certificate of Charles and Sarah, Sarah was his second wife as on the certifcate it has him as a widower and there is a witness a Jane Hitchcock who could be a sister or sister-in-law.
May I ask what was John's occupation and did he come from Dedham Essex though it seems they were spread around the Essex area.
I sure he must have had siblings but cannot find Charles birth anywhere so I need to contact Essex Records Office perhaps they could help.
Sorry Im not of much help hopefully something will turn up soon
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Hi Lizzy 56, All we know at the moment was John Hitchcock was a labourer and was born about 1790 in Essex. The son Richard Hitchcock born about 1810 was a gardener and married Susan Drinkwater on 25/11/1855. John had several other sons names unknown who emigrated to U.S.A. I was hoping if John Hitchcock had been Charles's brother that would be the connection.
All we ve found out so far is Charles was married to Sarah, they had a son called Joseph, he married Anne Mahoney, he had a son William who married Emma Jane Wheland and they had three children William, Eileen and Alfred Joseph ( who is Sir Alfred Hitchcock ). But you must know all this because this is your family. I think my dad or I are going to have to join ancestry.co.uk. to find out the rest of the info. Should we find any more info Ill let you know. Let me know if you find out any more info. Take care Shelley75.
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Drinkwater, that's funny he Drinkwater's in my family line.
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Thats strange. Richard and Susan are my GGG grandparents in my family tree. Theres no mention of the name Drinkwater in Sir Alfred Hitchcock's family tree as far as I know. Where do you get the Drinkwater name in your family tree, perhaps Charles was Richard's brother and Susan Drinkwater was his sister in law or maybe his first wife. Didnt you say Charles had been married before. This is getting really interesting. If we can find the connection it means we are related way way back. Shelley75.
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Hi Shelley & Lizzie!
I'm busy researching Alfred Hitchcock's ancestors at the moment for the Alfred Hitchcock Wiki site and would be interested in sharing info and comparing notes. I think I've probably reached the same point as you -- trying to piece together who Charles' parents and siblings were, and some family insider knowledge would be welcome to help patch some of the holes :)
It seems to me Enoch Hitchcock (b. ~1781) and Ebenezer Hitchcock (b. ~1791) are likely siblings (Enoch named a son Ebenezer and Charles named one of his Enoch). Due to the names Charles chose for his children, Mary Hitchcock (b. ~1770) and Sarah Hitchcock (b. ~1763) both seem good candidates for his mother and possibly William Hitchcock (b. ~1758) for his father. It looks like Charles came from a family of coopers with links to Dedham and Colchester, so I'm intrigued why he decided to move to Stratford, after the birth of his first daughter, to set up a fishmonger & greengrocery business.
Feel free to drop me an email at d.c.pattern{@}hud.ac.uk
Dave
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Dave.....it would be wise to remove your email address from your message or you could have a problem with spammers.
Sorry I can't help with your query. :)
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Thanks Polly -- I used my work email as that's fairly well protected from spam. Should say I'm also more than happy to chip in on this thread too :)
This is my first attempt at tracing a family tree, so I've likely made loads of beginners mistakes, but I started off writing it up as a blog post (http://www.hitchcockwiki.com/blog/2014/04/20/meet-the-hitchcocks-part-1/) before deciding to try and document it fully on the wiki itself. It's still an early work in progress, but the aim is to have separate pages for each ancestor (e.g. Charles Hitchcock (b. ~1791) (http://hitchwiki.com/h/14df7) and to try and piece together the various Hitchcocks who lived in the Dedham (http://hitchwiki.com/h/14dff) and West Ham (http://hitchwiki.com/h/14dfb) areas (I thought even if they're not related to Alfred Hitchcock, it might come in useful some someone else Googling their family tree).
I'm only using findmypast.co.uk for this, but it's been a fun process -- a bit like trying to put together a jigsaw puzzle in the dark when you already know lots of pieces are missing ;D
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The best of luck to you Dave. Tracing one's family history is very,very addictive :)
You sound very organised though. I wish I had been more organised at the start of my journey into the past :)
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When I first thought Frederick Abberline's wife was a rellie, I was already back to the 1500s, so what I did was to trace Martha Mackness' line back to try and find a common ancestor. It meant working through every individual on the family's census records, but I got there in the end.
I have a Rowland Hill in my line too, but no link found as yet. Would have been good because all the bookishness comes from that side of the family. ::)
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Ill be interested to see what you find out about all of Alfred's relations as I'm trying to find his connection to my family. As I said earlier I can trace my family back to a John Hitchcock b:1790ish in Essex. He had a son called Richard Hitchcock b: 1810 in Essex and he married a Susan Drinkwater b:1821. He was a gardener and she was the daughter of Thomas Drinkwater who was a publican. They were married on 25/11/1855 at Harlington Middlesex. Shelley75.
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My GG Grandfather was Charles Hitchcock born 1791 in Dedham Essex. I have been trying to find siblings and parents for the past few years. He was married twice and I have found a first marriage but still not 100% sure iff that is the right one. As Alfred's father was catholic I am wondering that's why I am having trouble finding any more connections. Have his second marriage. :-\
Angie.
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Hi Angie
Charles was Alfred's great grandfather, so (I think) that makes you a second cousin (once removed) of the famous director, yes? :o
I've currently got the following listed as Charles' children:
- Susannah Hitchcock (b. ~1823)
- Sarah Hitchcock (b. ~1824)
- Joseph Hitchcock (b. 1828)
- Charles William Hitchcock (b. 1838)
- Mary Emily Hitchcock (b. 1840)
- Enoch Hitchcock (b. 1844)
I'm struggling to find much info on Susannah and Sarah tho.
Charles being married twice makes sense, as Sarah (2nd wife) was born around 1810 so she'd likely only be the mother of Charles William, Mary Emily and Enoch.
Going by the birth locations given on the census returns, only Susannah was born in Dedham, which makes me think Charles moved to Stratford in late 1823/early 1824. When did he marry Sarah?
I think the Catholic influence on Alfred came mostly from his mother Emma, who apparently insisted on taking him back to the Catholic church in Stratford every Sunday (even tho they lived up the road in Leytonstone, about 2 miles from the church). Dedham seems like an Anglican/Protestant village, so the Catholic influence mostly came from Alfred's grandfather marrying Ann Mahoney and then Alfred's father marrying Emma Jane Whelan (both were daughters of Roman Catholic Irishmen).
On the marriage certificate you've got, was the marriage to Sarah in Stratford/West Ham? If so, there was a William and Jane Hitchcock (both born around 1794 and parents of another Jane Hitchcock who born ~1831) living in Stratford at the time of the 1851 Census. What would fit really nicely is if this William was a relative of Charles (e.g. brother or cousin) who was already living in Stratford, as I've puzzled over why Charles would decide to make the move 60 miles southwest from Dedham.
As for Charles' siblings and parents, I've got nothing definite but there are a few candidates living in Dedham around that time. Sara Martin married William Hitchcock in 1782 in Dedham, which would be the right time to make them the parents.
Dedham seems to be a hotspot for coopers (i.e. barrel makers) around that time and several are good candidates for being Charles' brothers, especially Enoch Hitchcock (b. ~1781) and Ebenezer Hitchcock (b. ~1791) as Enoch named one of his sons Ebenezer and Charles named one of his sons Enoch (i.e. brothers naming their sons after their own brothers). Other coopers include George Hitchcock (b. ~1790). There's also a William Hitchcock (b. ~1783) who likely married Elizabeth Sharp in 1805 but who died before the first census in 1841, so I don't know what his occupation was.
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Hi Dave
Thanks for the info, Sarah Pike married Charles on the 24th April 1836 in Bermondsey Surrey and there is witnesses Richard Pike and Jane Hitchcock.
Regards Angie. :D
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The best match I can find for Sarah Pike is an Ann Sarah Pike baptised in the West Drayton parish (now part of the London Borough of Hillingdon) in Dec 1812 (I'm basing this on the fact that her birthplace was listed as "London" on the 1851 & 1861 Censuses). Apparently she was born on Nov 13th 1812 and was the daughter of Sarah and James Pike. The good news is that it looks like she might have had a brother named Richard who was born to parents of the same names and baptised in Monkton, Devon in 1813... although why the parents were in West London in 1812 and then rural Devon the following year ??? James' occupation is given as labourer, so maybe the family travelled to Devon to work on the land during the summer months?
(There's also a Sarah Pike who was baptised in Feb 1812 at St. Mary's in Earl Stonham, Suffolk. She was the daughter of Sarah and George Pike, but I can only link a Richard born in 1830 to them, so too young to have witnessed the certificate in 1836.)
Certainly feels like Charles' time line is now:
- 1791: Charles born in Dedham
- 1823: daughter Susannah born in Dedham
- 1823/4: moves to Stratford with his wife and 1st daughter Susannah
- 1824: daughter Sarah born in Stratford
- 1828: son Joseph is born in Stratford
- first wife dies sometime before 1836
- 1836: Charles marries Sarah Pike in Bermondsey (only a few miles from Stratford)
- 1838-1844: Charles' other 3 children born to Sarah in Stratford
- 1851 Census: Charles is working as a fishmonger in Stratford
- 1858: Charles dies in Stratford
- 1861: Widow Sarah continues running the fishmongery and greengrocery business in Stratford with sons Charles & Enoch
I can't find a death in Stratford that would fit Charles' first wife, but there is a Sarah Hitchcock whose death was registered back in Dedham in 1832 aged 69. Assuming the first wife came from Dedham, maybe she wanted to be buried back there?
I've got nothing definite for Sarah Pike's death, other than a Sarah Hitchcock who died aged 57 and whose death was registered in Dunmow, Essex, in early 1867.
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Name:
Sarah Ann Pike
Gender:
Female
Birth Date:
3 Apr 1810
Christening Place:
St. Georges In The East, Stepney, London, Eng
Father's Name:
Edward Pike
Mother's name:
Dinah
Maternal Grandfather's Name:
Daniel Willder
Maternal Grandmother's Name:
Mary
Hi David this is Sarah's baptism record.
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1810 is a better fit with the age for Sarah given on the census returns.
Edward Pike (who worked as a linen draper) married Dinah Gold Willder in 1805 at St James Garlickhythe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_James_Garlickhythe), London. They had a son Edward who was born 29/Oct/1806.
The son Edward turns up in the 1851 Census working as a "collecting clerk" living on Savoy Street (swanky!) and married to Susannah (which looks to be written as Sus'h on the census) who was born in the Westminster district. They have 3 children: Susannah (b. ~1838), Elizabeth (b. ~1845) and Edward (b. ~1848).
It looks like son Edward married "Susanna Wilder" at St James Garlickhythe in 1836. If so, she was likely Susanna Willder (a relative of Dinah's?) born 07/Oct/1810 to Susanna & Thomas Willder and baptised on Christmas Day 1811 at St. Margaret in Westminster.
A Dinah Pike turns up in the 1861 Census as a 76-year-old widow (occupation linen draper) living at 7 King Street, Westminster, with daughters Louisa Pike (40) and Elizabeth Taylor (38). Elizabeth had married and was a widow, hence the different surname, and a marriage of an Elizabeth Pike to William Cook Taylor in 1853 looks like a good match.
The 7 King Street address also links to the 1841 Census record of Dinah Pike (45, occupation draper) living with children Louisa (20), Eliza (15) and Alfred (20), but no entry for husband Edward.
Sarah's grandparents Daniel and Mary (née Goddard) married at St James Garlickhythe in 1777.
I couldn't find anything that links a Richard Pike to this family tho.
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Hi Dave thanks for info, I was wondering iff Richard was a brother of Edward.
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I’ve found a good contender for the Jane Hitchcock who witnessed the marriage. There’s a Jane (b. ~1805 in Birmingham and maiden name unknown) who married Joseph Hitchcock, who was born around 1804 in Dedham. They appear in the 1841-71 Censuses living in Bermondsey, Surrey. She died 1870 and he died 1879, both in the St Olave Southwark district. Their first child was born in 1828, so they were presumably married before then.
Joseph’s age and birth location could make him Charles’ younger brother.
However, I’m not sure why Charles would have his sister-in-law act as witness at his wedding, unless it was traditional to have a male and female witness and Sarah only had male relatives (i.e. Richard Pike)?
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A quick follow up -- the Jane who married Joseph Hitchcock was Jane Swadken and the marriage took place on 03/Apr/1825 at Saint Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey (which was the same church where Charles and Sarah married).
Jane was baptised on 06/Jun/1805 at St Phillips, Birmingham, and was the daughter of John and Rachel Swadkin.
Also, I noticed that Charles wasn't able to sign his own marriage entry ("the mark of Charles Hitchcock"). If Joseph was Charles' brother, then possibly they were both illiterate and Jane (who did sign her own name) witnessed the marriage instead of her husband?
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Angie -- have you come across Jemima Spooner (b. ~1796) as a contender for Charles' first wife? Someone on Ancestry has her marrying Charles on 02/Jun/1818 and that fits nicely with a record for the baptism of a Joseph William Hitchcock in 1830 in West Ham to parents Charles and Jemima Hitchcock (i.e. the Joseph who was Alfred Hitchcock's grandfather).
Jemima was baptised on 15/Jun/1796 in Great Wigborough, Essex, and her parents were Robert and Susana Spooner. This fits nicely with Charles' first two children being Susannah and Susan. There are probable death records for both of Jemima's parents in the Dedham/Lexden area.
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I found SEAX a while ago and came across the marriage. At the time certain records were free which helped. But only have the marriage and nothing else eg Jemima's parents. I must admit it does look a possible link. Thank you for that.
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Another find... Joseph Hitchcock and Jane Swadken had a daughter named Jemima Jane Hitchcock who was baptised 27/Nov/1836 at Saint Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey. Sadly, Jemima Jane died a couple of years later and was buried on 08/Dec/1839 at Saint Mary Magdalene.
It's a long shot but, assuming Joseph was Charles' brother (they were both born in Dedham a few years apart) and Joseph's wife Jane (who would have been pregnant with Jemima Jane at the time) was the witness at the wedding of Charles & Sarah Pike, I'm wondering if Joseph & Jane decided to name their daughter after Charles' first deceased wife (Jemima Spooner)? Possibly because Charles & Jemima had named their last child together Joseph?
I've still not been able to find anything definitive on Jemima Hitchcock née Spooner's death, but presumably she died between 1829 (when Joseph, Alfred Hitchcock's grandfather, was born) and 1836 (when Charles married Sarah Pike). Tantalisingly, there is an entry for what looks like "Jemmiah Hitchcock" (curse hard to read handwriting!) who was buried on 29/Sep/1835 in West Ham/Stratford. The given age is 33, which is a few years out as Jemima Spooner was baptised June 1796. However, I can't link this person back to anyone else in West Ham, so perhaps this actually is the recorded death of Charles' first wife?
The other children of Joseph & Jane were Jane Elizabeth Hitchcock (b. ~1826), Joseph Hitchcock (b. ~1828), Edward Hitchcock (b. ~1830), William John Hitchcock (b. ~1832) and Alfred Charles Hitchcock (b. ~1834).
Finally, if Jemima Spooner was Charles' first wife, then we can likely add Emma Hitchcock to the list of their children. She was baptised 29/Aug/1824 to a Charles & Jemima Hitchcock at St. Margaret, Barking, Essex. Barking is 4 miles east of Stratford and 8 miles east of Bermondsey.
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Thank you Dave for that, it does all seem to fit.
Will have a study of the details you have put on.
Much appreciated Angie. :)
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Just been looking to see if I can find anyone likely to be the Richard Pike who witnessed Charles & Sarah's wedding.
The most likely contender I found is Richard Pike (b. 1797), son of cooper Robert Pike and Elizabeth Pike née Richards (who married 1793 at St George's, Hanover Square). Richard was baptised on 14/Jan/1798 at St George in the East, Stepney, which is the same church as Sarah Ann Pike was baptised at. Richard likely died 13/Mar/1862 aged 64 in Southwark.
Apart from that, there don't seem to be that many Richard Pike's in London around that time. The only others I found were:
1) Richard Pike (b. ~1777). Married in 1806 to Bridget Fitzgerald (b. ~1777) at St George's, Hanover Square. Worked as a gardener and lived on Yeoman's Row, Brompton. Buried 17/Mar/1841 at Brompton Holy Trinity.
2) Richard Alexander Pike (b. 1796). Born 11/Oct/1796 and baptised 30/Oct/1796 at Christ Church, Spitalfields, Stepney. Son of warehouseman James and Mary Pike, living on Vine Court, Whitechapel.
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Hi Dave.
That does sound like a good match, I found the one married to a Bridget Fitzgerald but the one you found sound good as his father Robert was a cooper.
I thought that this side of the family would be easy but far from it.
Thank's again :)