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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: shanew147 on Friday 28 May 10 09:20 BST (UK)
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does anybody recognize the pub in the photo below ?
The Woodman Inn was apparently located somewhere near Castleford, and was owned (and possibly built) by my gtgt-grandfather Henry Wilson.. sometime in the late 1880s to early 1890s.
He vanished in the mid 1890s and I'm hoping that locating the pub might help find further details on him.
thanks,
Shane
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Hi
Can you give us the details of Henry which may help to find the inn?
Evie
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Hi
Do the names Frances and Harriet Wilson mean anything to you as they are staying in a Woodman Inn, Horsefair, Pontefract.
RG12 Piece 3760 Folio 103 Page 12
Evie
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some details on Henry :
Born c1844, Chatteris, Cambridgeshire
Married Barabara Hayes from Sherburn in Elmet in 1867
- in St. Peters, Leeds
Children : Arthur 1874, Harry 1877, John William 1879, Herbert & Edith 1881, Henrietta 1882, Florence 1885 and Emma 1886
I dont have census refs. with me but the only census we have found him on are the 1871 and 1881, both with his family in Normonton and Snydale. His is missing from the family home in 1891, but Barbara states she is married.
We believe he left the family and went to Australia possibly soon after the time of his youngest daughter's death in 1891.
Shane
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should have mentioned Henry's occupation over the years between 1867 and 1891 on certs and census returns graduated from Brick Layer to Master Brick Layer, then Builder and finally Builder/Publican
Shane
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the woodman was on the road from castleford to pontefract. i vaguely remember it. they knocked it down when they started the M 62. heres another pic
http://www.twixtaireandcalder.org.uk/cgi-bin/MsmGo.exe?grab_id=0&page_id=1991&query=woodman&SCOPE=www.twixtaireandcalder.org.uk&hiword=woodman%20
you could try the historical society thats mentioned on there.
perth :) :)
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the woodman was on the road from castleford to pontefract. i vaguely remember it. they knocked it down when they started the M 62. heres another pic
http://www.twixtaireandcalder.org.uk/cgi-bin/MsmGo.exe?grab_id=0&page_id=1991&query=woodman&SCOPE=www.twixtaireandcalder.org.uk&hiword=woodman%20
you could try the historical society thats mentioned on there.
perth :) :)
brilliant .. many thanks, that's definitely it
thanks to Evie also for the 1891 census details - do you think this could be the same location as the photo perth tiger found ? (my Leeds geography is not very good)
I dont know of a connection to the Wilson names mentioned - but will check into them further
Shane
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the census deatils show a pub called the woodman in horsefair pontefract. this is about 2 miles from the one in castleford you have the pic of. horsefair is where the bus station is in pontefract. from memory there is only one pub there now. the golden ball. horsefair leads from the market down to the old church and castle. im sure there would have been a lot of pubs there in 1891. there are still a lot around the market.
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Excellent find Perth :)
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Hi
Haven't found Henry I'm afraid but I think the the census reference for the Inn is RG12, 3762, 114, 1 It does say Woodman Terrace, Glass Houghton, so maybe Woodman Terrace has now changed to Park Road. Sorry don't know the area, maybe Perth will know.
Occupied by the Law family
Evie
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thanks for that - Glass Houghton was part of the address on the photo that perth found, so sounds like the same area. Maybe Woodman terrace was the name for part of what is now Park road ?
I just found the same Law family at different location in 1901, so I'm now trying to find the Woodman terrace address for that year to see who took over from them.
Shane
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Hi.
I live in Glasshoughton and remember the Woodman Inn.
It was demolished to make way for the eastbound sliproad onto the M62 motorway.
Park Road has never undergone a name change. It runs form the end of Front St. , under the M62, past the Parkside Inn (now closed) on the left and Pontefract Racecourse on the right, past the derelict Prince of Wales colliery and ends at the gates of Pontefract Park (from which the road gets it's name).
If you'd like a photo of Park Road with the site of the pub, it's a two minute walk and I could email it to you tomorrow.
Regards, David
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Hi.
Park Road has never undergone a name change.
Does that mean there is another Woodman Inn or was Woodman Terrace part of Park Road?
Evie
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If you'd like a photo of Park Road with the site of the pub, it's a two minute walk and I could email it to you tomorrow.
I would love to see the location - if you have a minute, and the weather's ok over in Yorkshire...
It's not a pretty day here in Dublin today!
thanks,
Shane
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Hi again.
Evie, The Woodman in question was always on Park Rd, Glasshoughton although there is another Woodman in Pontefract. Forget that one. Park Road still exists and is busier than ever. If you go on Google Maps and search for Park Road, Glasshoughton, Castleford, you'll be able to follow it from one end to the other.
If I remember correctly, Woodman Terrace ran off Park Road, down the side of the pub, at right angle to Park Road. But I'l' double check that and confirm later today.
In Shane's photos, the Ford Anglia would be parked on Woodman Terrace and the workman(?) is in the front doorway on Park Road (the front of the pub faced west).
Hi Shane.
Pretty much the same story here I'm afraid. It's forecast to clear up a bit this afternoon, so I'll have a toddle around the corner after lunch a grab a snap or two.
Regards, David
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Quick update on the weather, Shane.
It's absolutely cats n' dogs here, so we'll take a rain check (every possible pun intended) and try again for a photo in the morning.
BTW, I was right about Woodman Terrace being behind the pub, running at right angles to Park Road. That was demolished a few years before the Woodman Inn.
Dave
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no problem... dont worry about it. I'll have a look a google street view and see if I can work out where it was. Maybe I can use the M62 junction, the power lines and Stainburn Avenue as orientation references.
If Woodman terrace joined with Park rd then I suppose it's possible that a building right on the corner could be included on either road. If that's the case then the 1891 reference that Evie found to a Woodman Inn on Woodman Terrace is probably the same as the one in my photo.
thanks for all help with this - it's really appreciated
Shane
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think I found the location on street view .. seem to fit with the 1970s photo that perth tiger located. Hope these links work...
View to the North (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Park+Road,+Castleford&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=11.562655,30.981445&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Park+Rd,+Castleford,+United+Kingdom&ll=53.709421,-1.331813&spn=0.005652,0.015128&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.709503,-1.331911&panoid=QCMlgRMKaL6ZdC7454uVSA&cbp=12,355.15,,0,5)
view towards the M62 - South East (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Park+Road,+Castleford&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=11.562655,30.981445&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Park+Rd,+Castleford,+United+Kingdom&ll=53.709421,-1.331813&spn=0.005652,0.015128&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.709503,-1.331911&panoid=QCMlgRMKaL6ZdC7454uVSA&cbp=12,130.15,,0,5)
does that location look about right ?
Shane
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Thanks for the update Dave.
Hope you have luck with Henry, Shane.
I did a search for Woodman Terrace 1901 on FindMyPast but I am not a member so I couldn't see who was living there. I was hoping it would show the reference so I could check it out elsewhere. Sorry
Evie
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I think I've located the address in 1901 - RG13/4302/F14 page 18
The address is difficult to read but it's the last one on Woodman Terrace, and the Inn keeper at the address is a widow name Mary Ambler age 59... so no connection to my Henry yet that I can see.
Shane
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I've just had a close look at PerthTiger's photo link. The curve of the pavement and kerbstones is still there to the right of the pub. This was the entrance to Woodman Terrace which ran to the east immediately behind the pub.
When the houses were demolished in the 60's, the landlord bricked off the entrance to what was Woodman Terrace.
The electricity pylon is still there, so you can get an idea of where the pub was from your links to Google street view; it was where the sliproad to the M62 starts, past the traffic lights, on the southeast view.
On the view to the north, the pub was on the far right. The waste land before Stainburn Avenue was the in the form of farmland in the 60's/70's.
These are not merely my misty memories - I've been and had a couple of glasses of foaming ale in the Rock Inn, Glasshoughton, some three hundred yards or so from the Woodman. It still has plenty of customers who remember your pub Shane, all fondly but no-one could recall the name of the last landlord. But I'll be seeing a chap on Wednesday who will definitely know. I'll tap him up for as much info as possible and report back!
Dave
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cheers!... thanks for the update.
It's great to get some sort of a lead on my long lost gt-gt-grandfather at least.
Just to explain a little of the background, all we really had until recently on his later life was the name of the pub... and there seemed to be quite a few with the same name all over the Leeds area. We only saw the photo with Castleford detail noted on it, for the first time on Thursday - and cant believe that within just a couple of days we now know exactly where it was..
I understand that the photo was probably taken by Henry's eldest son during a visit to the area in the 1950s or 60s.
Shane
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Morning folks.
And a lovely morning it is in Yorkshire!
Up with the larks, I've had a nice little walk to the site of the Woodman Inn and Woodman Terrace.
What I didn't take into account was the extensive roadworks which blight Glasshoughton at the moment.
I really hope they don't spoil the photos for you, Shane.
I'll display them here, but if you want copies sending you'll need to PM me your email address.
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iv been reading about the road works, people aint happy. just talked to my mum about the woodman, she remembers calling in a lot. ::) ::) ::)
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Here's the view looking north, back to Glasshoughton village, with the houses of Stainburn Avenue visible beyond the construction workers' compound.
In the other two photos, the Woodman Inn and Woodman Terrace would have been roughly where the sliproad is. In fact, the sliproad would have been where the landlord built his brick wall across the road in the 60's.
When I find the name of the last landlord/landlady I'll post it.
Shane, let me know if you want these photos emailing.
Enjoy the weekend, Dave
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Hi Perth Tiger.
Your mum wasn't one of the late night lock-in dominoe team was she? ::)
Yes the road works are driving folks mad. They are scheduled to last for 38 weeks and weekdays, Glasshoughton is gridlocked. That why I went to take the photos at 8.30 this Sunday morning. Being bank holiday weekend, come 11 o'clock, it'll be gridlock again with cars from all over the north trying to get into the Freeport retail outlet, B&Q and the new 'Xscape' snowdome/ski-slope. All built on the sight of the old coke ovens, the most toxic site in western europe!
All that development, which has given much needed employment to many local people, was built thanks to the work of 'YorkshireForward', one of the agencies our new government are getting rid of ???
Still, times change and we move on for better or for worse.
Regards,David
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lol not the domino team. she was more your cinderella/rockerfellas in leeds i think. i was at xscape a few years ago, without the road works it was bad enough down there. the last house my dad owned was the first house on garden st on the right if you look from the rock. i spent many a hour in there in the 80's. :) :)
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many thanks for the photos Dave... I'll pm you my email address
It's the same sunny day at the moment here in Dublin also.
Shane
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Perth Tiger, when you say first on the right, do you mean first terraced house or first of the two semis (I thing there were only two).
I knew a gentleman who lived in one of the semis back in the 70's, a nice gentleman called Jack Shelton. I think he lived in the first semi.
In the 90's our youngest son bought the first terraced house on the right ( strangely, no.10 Garden St.).
On the left, Scotts, who owned the shop on Rock Hill built their bungalow.
Aaahh, memories :-\ :-\
David
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it was the first house in the 3. as you looked at it it had a garden from the house out to rock hill. just had a look on google maps, it looks a lot nicer now than when i last saw it.
wasn't there an old pub further up rockhill. probably white outside, more a little bar than anything
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Yes, it was just round the corner. It was the Rockhill Sports and Social Club - widely known as the Mucky Duck.
It was demolished about 5 years ago and replaced with an ugly block of flats. The owner, John Carter, is now the landlord of the Rock Inn and doing a pretty good job of it.
When you frequented the Rock in the 80's, the landlord would be John Windeatt, I suppose.
He took over from his father,Tom and made it a very popular venue. Unfortunately, he was 'a bit of a lad' and left the pub to live with his wife's best friend.
From there, the pub went from bad to worse and almost closed. It's now owned by Enterprise Inns and John Carter (from the Duck) is the tenant.
And that's thirty years condensed into one paragraph! :o
David
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i cant remember who the landlord was, i do seem to recall been told he had left though ;D theres a lot of pubs that i used to go to back then. most sold tetleys and it had to be a good pint. the shoulder down the potteries was the fav for quite a while.
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The Shoulder of Mutton still sells Tetleys and it still has a very good reputation for it's beer.
But there are so many of Castlefords' pubs that have closed down; the Malt Shovel on Front St., Glasshoughton closes its' doors on Wednesday and the Glasshoughton Working Men's Club on Leeds Rd. is on its' financial knees.
Still, at least we've got a snowdome ::) ::)
David
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Still, at least we've got a snowdome
its not all bad then ;D ;D ;D
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i found this on you tube
it shows quite a few pubs that have disappeared. if you wait till the end theres another pic of the woodman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wAQQkaSuvE
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thanks,
will have a look at that
Shane
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does anybody recognize the pub in the photo below ?
The Woodman Inn was apparently located somewhere near Castleford, and was owned (and possibly built) by my gtgt-grandfather Henry Wilson.. sometime in the late 1880s to early 1890s.
He vanished in the mid 1890s and I'm hoping that locating the pub might help find further details on him.
thanks,
Shane
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The woodman innwas located on the boundary between castleford and pontefract on pontefract road, it was closed and used to billet the construction workers when the M62 motorway was built. it was located at the pontefract side of the m62 at junction 32, it was demolished after the motorwas construction was completed.
Phil
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it was located at the pontefract side of the m62 at junction 32, it was demolished after the motorwas construction was completed.
Phil
Sorry Phil but I think you'll find it was located on the Glasshoughton side of the M62, almost exactly where the eastbound sliproad is now.
PerthTiger's 'youtube' clip clearly shows the proximity of the pylon (still there), the Stainburn and Park Rd houses and the field inbetween that's now used for storing containers.
David
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The Woodman Inn was definitely north of the M62. The pylon on the Aire and Calder picture is still there and the street in the background is Stainburn Avenue.. I am only down the road.
Amos Beaumont, a relative, was landlord in 1881.
Someone I know used to work in the coke ovens in Glasshoughton and used the Pub.
When the railway was built in the 1840s Pontefract race course was "chopped off". It used to come close to the M62 area where the pub was.
Tunnels were dug beneath the railway (still there) to allow cattle to be moved off the race course.
Bob
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The Woodman Inn was definitely north of the M62. The pylon on the Aire and Calder picture is still there and the street in the background is Stainburn Avenue.. I am only down the road.
Amos Beaumont, a relative, was landlord in 1881.
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do you know how long your relative was Landlord for ?
My GtGt-Grandfather Henry Wilson supposedly either owned or managed the pub sometime around the 1890s..
Shane
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No, he is just on 1881
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The family also had the Lord Nelson on the river at at Penbank Lock Altofts.
Your Ancestor wouldn't have built the original pub as it was there before the railways. Could have done a rebuild.
Bob
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many thanks... the 1881 details help narrow down the dates for us.
Our family story was that he built it and ran it, but have not found anything to confirm that.
Shane
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My Grandmother Nellie Ambler was born on 28 September 1901 at Woodman Inn and I understand her mothers grandmother was Inn keeper. Her name was Mary Batty, she was aged 59 Inn Keeper Woodman Inn, Glasshoughton, Castleford listed in 1901 Census.