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Title: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: kieran257 on Thursday 27 May 10 23:31 BST (UK)
Hi all,

I am trying to find out where my great uncle is buried. His name was John McKernan, McKernon, John died on the 29 July 1903 in the district of Dennistoun in the county of Lanark.

I would be very grateful if anyone coould tell me what graveyard John was buried in and if anyone else is buried with him.

Thanks for all your help

Kieran
Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: JohnMac43 on Tuesday 01 June 10 10:42 BST (UK)
Hi, If your ancestor was Catholic, he may be buried in St Peters cemetery also known as Dalbeth. He may also be buried in Riddrie cemetery. These are the nearest to Dennistoun. Unless there was a family lair in another part of the city.
Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: kieran257 on Tuesday 01 June 10 11:13 BST (UK)
Hi John,

Do you know of any way of finding out i.e what chapel would cover this graveyard or is it covered by the council?

Thanks for all your help as I am trying to find this grave for my elderly auntie as she would love to know where he was laid to rest.

Thanks

Kieran
Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: JohnMac43 on Tuesday 01 June 10 15:14 BST (UK)
Hi Kieron.
The church archdiocese holds the records for St Peters.
http://www.rcag.org.uk/history_intro.htm

 I will have a look in the Mitchell Library first as they have microfilms of burials.
Give me a few days and I will get back to you.
John
Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: kieran257 on Tuesday 01 June 10 15:23 BST (UK)
Hi John
Thank you very much for that my auntie will be really happy to know as if I can find the grave she would like me to go and visit it.

Would the Mitchell library hold this record as I think it might be for the death of John's daughter but I can't look at it on Scotland's people.

8 1973 MCKERNON MARY Not Permissible ALLISON F 70

GRANGEMOUTH/STIRLING 484/00 0025.

I can't find any other children but i have been told that a cousin had someone call from Scotland years ago but of course he never followed anything up.

Thanks for all you help

Kieran
 
Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: JohnMac43 on Tuesday 01 June 10 15:33 BST (UK)
Hi,
ALl the Mitchell Library hold are burial details on microfilm. I would need to find the death using the date you supplied and it should tell me the lair number, section it is in, owner, cost and address of where they died. Nothing else.
They hold microfilms for most of the cemeteries in Glasgow but the only cover up to 1956 for St Peters

John
Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: kieran257 on Tuesday 01 June 10 16:07 BST (UK)
Hi John,

Thanks fro your reply.  I thought it was worth asking.  Well not sure if this would be available.  John's Wife Elizabeth married again and two of the children died early

James McGettigan 17/04/1909
Rose McGettigan 25/04/1909 they lived at 228 Dundee Street Grangmouth Sterling again I haven't a clue what graveyard they would be in. 

I hope John has a headstone as my auntie always talked about him and was thrilled when I told her I found him and his family.

Thanks for all your help

Kieran
Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: JohnMac43 on Wednesday 02 June 10 20:22 BST (UK)
Hi Kieran,
I checked up on St Peters / Dalbeth today and found no burial there for up to 7 days after the date of death. I then checked the Eastern Necropolis next to Celtic park Parkhead and nothing there either. The Mitchell don't have any records for Riddrie and they are held by Glasgow City council. They will tell you where the burial is but they charge a heafty £61 to do a lookup even though they will have it all on Computer. There may have been a family burial lair in another part the city. On my next visit to the Mitchell in a weeks time, I will check on on a few other cemeteries.
John
Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: kieran257 on Wednesday 02 June 10 21:20 BST (UK)
Hi John,
Thanks very much for all your help.  It is a pity you were not able to find it today.  I can't believe how much they charge especially when everything is at the touch of a button.  Do you think was he buried at Grangemouth in Sterling.

I am very very grateful for all your help with this.  There is no hurry with getting the information I will just be glad to know where the grave is.

Thanks for all your help

Kieran

Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: apanderson on Thursday 03 June 10 08:54 BST (UK)
Ki Kieran,

The cemetery in Grangemouth is called Grandsable and is roughly between Grangemouth and Polmont.

Falkirk Council will have details of burials: http://www.falkirk.gov.uk/services/community/cemeteries_and_crematorium/cemeteries.aspx

They're not the quickest at doing look-ups, but they usually get round to it eventually!  ;D

All municipal cemeteries have inter-denominational burials, so it would matter what religion anyone was. I believe that for RC burials, certain sections (or parts of sections) would be consecrated, but I don't know any particular details of when this would be carried out or by whom etc.

Anne
Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: kieran257 on Thursday 03 June 10 10:31 BST (UK)
Hi Anne,

I have taken you advice and e-mailed Falkirk council with all the details I have.  Hopefully, they will be able to find a grave for the family.

Do you happen to live in the Grangemouth area?

Thanks for all your help

Kieran
Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: apanderson on Thursday 03 June 10 16:59 BST (UK)
Hi Kieran,

I hope you don't have to wait long!

I don't live near Grangemouth - I know a few of the cemeteries though.

Let us know when you hear back from F.C.

Anne
Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: kieran257 on Monday 07 June 10 14:59 BST (UK)
Hi Anne,

I have just heard back from Falkirk council.

They have told me that James and Rose McGettigan are interred in Grandsable Cemetery – Section 4 Lair 66 with their parents.

This now helps complete another part of the jigsaw puzzle.

I would love to get a photo of the headstone that's if there is any

Thanks for all your help

Kieran
Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: apanderson on Monday 07 June 10 16:11 BST (UK)
Oooo!  ;D   That was quick!!   You must be chuffed to bits!

I'll try and get through Grangemouth way within the next couple of weeks, so I'll have a look and see if I can find anything. I know where Section 4 is and it's not that big, so keep your fingers crossed for a stone!

Anne
Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: kieran257 on Monday 07 June 10 16:20 BST (UK)
Hi Anne,

Thanks very much for your reply.  That's very kind of you to take the trouble to look.  If you do find anything would you be able to take a few photos of it.  Like the map at the entrance to the cemetery.

Thanks for all your help

Kieran

PS Do you know any Sutherland's in the area?

Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: apanderson on Monday 07 June 10 18:42 BST (UK)
Don't know of any Sutherlands, sorry, but if I pass any in Grandsable, I'll let you know.

PM sent regarding Cemetery Map.

Anne
Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: apanderson on Monday 14 June 10 20:11 BST (UK)
Found it!

Check your Inbox!  ;D

Anne
Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: kieran257 on Monday 14 June 10 22:24 BST (UK)
Hi Anne,

Thank you very much for this.  That has helped with the parents and the children but I notice now that Allison is listed and I have found the death for Anne who was 5 and her mother was McGettigan.

However, I am now stuck as I have looked up records on Scotland's people but can't see the records as there are no images available.

Thanks for all your help as always 

Kieran

It is looking like we still have relatives in Scotland.


Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: kieran257 on Thursday 09 August 18 03:33 BST (UK)
Hi all,
I am back to John again can anyone find him in the census probably the 1901 census or can you find a Mick or Michael McNally with him as the older generation are telling me they left for Scotland together.

I would like to see if any other of his brothers and sisters were with John in Scotland.  John was away before 1901 as not showing in the Ireland Census and not showing in 1911 census either.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Draperstown/Drumderg/1543945/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Draperstown/Drumderg/610114/

Thanks for all your help it is very much appreciated

Kieran



Title: Re: Location of Grave - McKernon
Post by: kieran257 on Thursday 16 August 18 23:52 BST (UK)
Hi all,
I am back to John again can anyone find him in the census probably the 1901 census or can you find a Mick or Michael McNally with him as the older generation are telling me they left for Scotland together.

Mick came back and died in Ireland but he had a brother John McNally that I have just found who was born on 26 Feb 1866 to James McNally and Mary McWilliams and he is believed to have stayed in Scotland and had a family

I would like to see if any other of his brothers and sisters were with John in Scotland.  John was away before 1901 as not showing in the Ireland Census and not showing in 1911 census either.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Draperstown/Drumderg/1543945/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Draperstown/Drumderg/610114/

Thanks for all your help it is very much appreciated

Kieran