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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: ggrocott on Thursday 27 May 10 19:00 BST (UK)
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Desperately seeking the parents and siblings of this man!
I have found John Harvey in all the census from 1841 to 1881 and he consistently states that he was born in 1808/9 in Rugeley except in 1881 when he says he was born in Handsacre. He is married to Mary with children Jane born 1858, Hannah born 1852, Amelia born 1851, Frances (Fanny) born 1846. James born 1843, Ann born 1842, Elizabeth born 1838 and Mary born 1836. There was also another son Isaac born 1856 but I am not sure where he was in 1861 or 1871. Mary, Elizabeth, Fanny, Hannah, Isaac, Jane and Amelia were baptised at St Augustine's, Rugeley per CD of transcripts produced by Burntwood FHS. James and Ann were baptised at Penkridge per IGI.
I am fairly confident that John and Mary Harvey are the couple shown as John Harvey and Mary Lakin who married at St Augustine's on 21 February 1831. Both of this parish. After banns. Neither sign. Witnesses James Lakin, Mary Lakin and Thomas Lenton who appears to witness most marriages.
Using only the IGI I had thought that John Harvey was the son of John Harvey and Elizabeth baptised 25 December 1809 in Rugeley but the transcribed records show both the baptism and a burial for John son of John and Elizabeth Harvey on 11 October 1810.
There is another John Harvey baptised 30 April 1812 at St Augustine's son of George and Jane Harvey but other researchers have concluded that he married Maria Deaville, a conclusion that is supported by an entry on England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 which shows John Harvey, son of George Harvey marrying Maria Deaville daughter of William Deaville.
There is yet another John Harvey son of William and Elizabeth Harvey, blacksmith of Rugeley baptised 21 February 1813. I am not sure whether this is the same William and Elizabeth Harvey who baptised Isaac in 1809, Elizabeth in 1803, Joseph in 1801, William in 1795, Sarah in 1793, Mary 1790, James 1788, another John in 1785 for whom I am unable to find a burial and who appears to still be alive in 1841 and 1851, and George 1783. John's baptism in 1813 is the only one which gives the father's occupation, it seems unlikely that they would name two surviving sons John and the timespan of 30 years is rather long so this may be two different couples.
John baptised 1785 is probably the father of John 1809-1810 and George 1783 is probably the father of John 1812.
I have not been able to find any other clues any ideas or information that might help would be very gratefull received.
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Hi ggrocott, I live very near Rugeley. Handsacre runs into Rugeley, there is a Handsacre Road that runs from one to the other. I also have Harvey's and Devalls in my tree, as does Madison on this board, she has done more research into the Harvey's than I have so can probably help you there. I have Sarah Harvey born 1789, Parents Henry Harvey and Catherine Howell, siblings to Sarah were Ann 1783 and Mary 1793. Sarah Married Michael Nixon. I am connected to the Harvey's through the Rugeley Devall/Deavall family.
I have found through my research that the IGI oftan has deaths recorded which their members seem to stick to anyone of the same name, I would ignore that death entry if I was you. Will read through your message again and see what else you were looking for. Linell.
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<Using only the IGI I had thought that John Harvey was the son of John Harvey and Elizabeth baptised 25 December 1809 in Rugeley but the transcribed records show both the baptism and a burial for John son of John and Elizabeth Harvey on 11 October 1810>
I'll check the Parish Register at the Archives for the death of John Harvey 11.10.1810, if you don't get any further with it.Linell.
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Thanks Linell.
I note that on Ancestry someone has Sarah Harvey born 1793 daughter of William and Elizabeth Harvey as married to Michael Nixon.
I am wondering if 'my' John Harvey could be the John Harvey son of James and Margaret Harvey baptised 8 July 1810 Mavesyn Ridware, sibling James in 1811 at Mavesyn Ridware and possibly Isaac 1817, George 1820 and Elizabeth 1822 at Armitage that appears on the IGI.
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Hi ggrocott, is this your John and Mary Harvey in 1851:-
Marlpits Rugeley
John 48 Brick Makers Lab
Mary Wife 38
Elizabeth DA 14
Ann DA 10
James Son 7
Frances DA 4
Amelia DA 5 months
All born Rugeley.
I couldn't find them in 1841? Was John Married before to a Sarah? Do you have the 1841 entry? Linell.
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Yes, I think that is them in 1851. In 1841 I think he is a brickmaker at Boxmoor, Penkridege, Staff with wife Mary and daughters Mary, Elizabeth and Ann which would tie in with the baptisms of Ann and James in Penkridge in 1841 and 1843.
As far as I know John Harvey only married once.
Gill
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Hi Gill, thanks have found him now, as you say he is in Boscomoor Penkridge in 1841, which is on the Wolverhampton Road. The family are then in Mossley Rugeley, which today is on the map as Attlee Crescent, it is down on the Trent and Mersey Canal which runs through the area, and just off the Armitage Road which ran into Armitage and Handsacre, so it is perfectly feesable that John was born in Handsacre. On one of the Census's Mary says she was born Penkridge that is probably why they lived over there for a few years where Ann and James were born. I have booked into Stafford Archives on thursday this coming week, will get back to you from Linell.
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I don't think that my people are on this line but I am also from Devalls, hatmakers and some tailors from Rugeley which I think it quite a large clan, and Harveys, miners and ag workers, from Longdon near Rugely.
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Hi AHG, welcome to the clan, yes Longdon is also part of Rugeley, no it well, lovely place. I did find these details about the Rugeley Hatters from a document at the Archives last time I went there:-
Samuel Sleigh died 8.1.1796 came from London to Cottage in Brereton Road (Rugeley) and founded the Hatting Industry and Congregational Church. Wife Catherine died 18.3.1820.
I believe that this Samuel Sleigh must have apprenticed our Devalls and Nixons and Harveys who became Hatters
Linell.
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I have a fair bit of info on the Longdon Harveys - desparately trying to sort out all the John Harveys!
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Thanks for this. I'm from William (b. 1805) and Hannah (b. 1810) Harvey through their daughter Susannah who moved to the States shorty after marrying Samuel Devall.
Is their any indication that the other hatters might have been huguenots? We have an old Devall family story that a william Devall was a French duke who escaped the Revolution and found refuge with Sir Charles Wolseley. We've disproved that and can take the family back in England further than 1789, but wondered if the family came over earlier when huguenots fled persecution and apparently took most of the French hat making industry with them. While I doubt that any forefather was a duke, they might have been associated with the household of one of the huguenots dukes and an earlier Sir Charles Wolseley, who was on Oliver Cromwell's inner circle and so would have known huguenots, might have helped them.
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Hi AHG, having searched the local Parish Records, the first mention of Devall/Deavalls in this area was about 1740, I found them recorded on some old documents, nothing before that time period. They probably were French. But they weren't Hatters before the late 1700's, I have George born Rugeley about 1787 son of Samuel Devall and Martha Brindley, he was a Hatter, probably apprenticed by Samuel Sleigh above. As you will see he bought the Hatting Industry to Rugeley. Linell.
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Hi ggrocott, I checked the Baptism of John Harvey in the Parish Register, as you said it was at St Augustines 25.12.1809. The burial on the 11th October 1810, is just that a burial, no baptism there, I double checked to make sure. Both Parents John and Elizabeth. I think you need to check on the IGI and see how many John and Elizabeth's there were in that area in that time frame. Linell.
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Thanks Linell. I will keep on looking!
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Hi, I am descended from Samuel Sleigh. This thread is interesting as I didn’t realise he would have had men apprenticed to him. I have a photograph of my great grandparents outside the cottage that you mention.
Sylvia