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Family story a James? Wilson owned 2 fish shops in Belfast one in sandy row and one at the docks 1920/30s story goes he was swindled out of money and so returned home to London where he was born he had settled here after marriage to a Ellen Rose or Rose Ellen in St Anns cathedral Belfast does anyone know of these fish shops
thanks
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Hi saw your message and realised your James Wilson was my grandmother's brother. Sorry I cant help with regard to what happened to the shops but I can give you some family background with dates etc etc.
I was confused when I read your message because we always thought John was the eldest son and it seems your relative James was the eldest and we knew John had lived in London. My mother is from Lancashire lived in Belfast from 1949 and John had left Belfast by then. My Mother who is 85 thought James lived in Lisburn and had a farm. Incidentally John died in London either late 1950s or very early 1960s and he died penniless. As far as I know there was seven children as mentioned on the 1911 census. The great grandmother gave birth to 11 of which 7 lived namely. James, John, Annie, Jane (known as Jean), twins Elizabeth (Lilly) and Mary (May) and finally Robert (Bob). My great grandfather James died in 1923 and the great grandmother died in 1935 the address on her death certification is 429 Lisburn Road. We were told it the business generated a very good income because they had trawlers in the 1920s and the telephone number for 429 Lisburn Road is listed in the 1913 Belfast telephone directory which you can view if you visit Lennon Wylie site which gives street directories for all belfast roughly from 1890s up to approx 1913. The other shop in question was on the Albertbridge Road, Nos 74 and 76. The name above the shop was actually John Wilson and I have a photograph of that shop. We also have photographs of the family in their younger days. Looking at dates your relative would have been approximately 18 when the twins were born and the brother John was about 10. He is still living at home in the 1911 census. Incidentally your relative my grans brother was married in the October 1911 and my gran was married a month earlier in the Sept same year. Her sister Mary (known as May) was married the year before. Jane (or we called her Auntie Jean) never married. My mother thinks Annie married and become a Johnston (not sure which spelling is correct for that name) nor do we know anything about Robert.
If you are still interested I can give you more information dates of marriages etc and I also have a photograph which says James Wilson on the back, however, the gentleman is in a military uniform so this may not be the correct James Wilson.
It may be that the great granparents left wills in which case I know the dates but will need to find them. I just found them recently on a free site for Belfast burials.
Hope some of this is of interest to you best wishes
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Hi Lillymayglo
Thank you very much for reply this is my husbands family is father also called James d.oct 1993 was son of James and Ellen since posting I have found out a bit more from my husbands uncle (Thomas Wilson) who is in his 80s and lives in London I do have marriage certificate for James Wilson and Ellen Roads. I found burial records for James parents on Belfast Burial site what I do know is that James and Ellen lived in a place called Clougher about three miles from Lisburn and that James travelled to work on pushbike to fish shop until him and his family moved to London I would love photos of shop and family thank you very much for that I will send you a personal message soon about what I know.
regards
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New members usually need 3 posts to use PM (Personal Message) system so Lillymayglo will have to make a few more posts.
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Hi Lillymayglo.
It is great to get some feedback after almost a year just shows never give up.
Hope you got my (PM) ok. Yes I am intrested in anything you might have on the family. It was down to the very helpful roots chatters on this forum that I was able to find marriage James Wilson and Ellen Roads and from that was able to find family on the 1911 at 429 Lisburn Road Belfast
On the 1911 census James Wilson seniors wife is a Mary.J would you know her maiden name thanks
regards
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Hi was unable to read your personal message because I do not have enough posts on the website as I saw your message by sheer chance and my message was the first posting from me (apparently three posts are needed to access person messages. Will try to get photos scanned this week and I will put them in as several posts so that I can access your message. In answer to your query, as far as we know, Mary Jane's maiden name was McLeod (or McCloud) she has some connection to Greenock in Scotland. Recently I have looked at some of the Scottish sites but there are lots of McLeods in Greenock so it is finding the correct Mary Jane, if indeed she was born there. The 1911 census says she was born in Belfast but some of the family think she may have been born in Greenock. My mother also mentioned Dunoon which is near Greenock. I will try to gather as much information as possible. Jane your James's sister used to take my father with her to Greenock for holidays when he was a small boy but that is all I know as my father died about 20 years ago and unfortunately he was never interested in family ties. regards
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Hi
I thanks for reply. For a long time I thought that James and John might be same person then was told by family that John never married. James died in London in the 1940s not long after he moved there with his wife The family always thought that the Wilsons were the London connection when infact it was Ellen Roads James wife I have been able to trace Ellen back almost 600 years from London parish records.
regards
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Hi
I think this might be our wilson family on 1881 scotland census for greenock west, county renfrewshire
james wilson age 30 born ireland (a joiner)
mary jane wilson age 29 born ireland
james wilson age 10 born ireland
robert wilson age 8 born greenock scotland
john wilson age 4 born ireland
a while ago I purchased a birth certificate for a Jane Wilson father a James Wilson(joiner) mother a Mary Jane laughlin could be a mispelling of loughlin address liliput street belfast year 1885
if this is our wilson family it might explain
connection with greenock as some of the family might have grew up there and that is why your great auntie jean took your father there on holidays.
regards
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Hi – You may be right about Scotland. Therre is a ten year gap between James and the rest of the children though on the 1911 Census Mary Jane had 11 children, 4 died it is possible some of these may be between James and John. I have seen that certificate you mention last year on the Ulster Family Historical Site but don’t think that is Jane as we are almost sure Mary Jane's maiden name was McLeod. Just found Jane's death certification on Belfast Cemetaries and she is called Mary Jane Wilson died 12 December 1965 aged 80. I know her birthday was in October and I seem to think 17th but not absolutely sure of the date. I know the death certification is correct because my Grandmothers address is listed and Jane lived with her during the last couple of years of her life. Seems odd that she is Mary Jane and one the twins was Mary (although called May). Cannot find any of the children’s birth certificates. I do know the twins marriage dates and will put together better information in another post. Did get scans of the photos but these were too large to post and were rejected. Am currently the size of the photos reduced. By the way the twin Mary( May) married a Samuel Dunseith but more of that later.
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Hi - Two photos to start - the problem is by making the resolution small the quality of the photos are getting poor (they are very old and not very good anyway). The first photograph is James Wilson your James' father. The second photograph is The Wilson children with their Mother Mary Jane. The children are John, Annie, Jane, twins Elizabeth and Mary and baby Robert.
Let me know if you can access these as I have about six others to post.
regards
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Hi
Thank you ever so much the photos are great, lovely to put faces to the names look forward to seeing the rest.
Have you found the family on 1901 census are were they living somewhere else in as they seemed to have moved about.
regards
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Hi - two more photographs the first is the shop at 74 to 76 Albertbridge Road and the second photograph has the name as James Wilson is this your relative? My brother said Jimmy Dunseith (son of Mary and Samuel gave him this photo).
Unfortunately I have searched the 1901 Census and cannot find the Wilsons. This Census is incomplete and a large part of Lisburn Road is missing but I dont think they were there at that time as the Belfast Street directory listed. I seem to recall Auntie Jean (Jane) saying that they lived around the Mount Street area which is near to Albertbridge Road and went to school in Templemore Avenue. On the Lennon Wylie street directories for Belfast 1907 there is a M J Wilson Fishmonger living at the address below also No.72 Albertbridge Road M J Wilson and also the 1901 directory has similar information:
Cut and paste from website removed- please see this page of the website for details-
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/mcomplete1907_2.htm
Wilson, Jas., fish monger, 23 Mount Street No. 2 - This is from the 1901 Belfast Street directory, but I cannot find this on the Census.
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I will try to gather some more information for you as this is getting message is rambling a bit. regards and will post a few more photos
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Hi
Thanks once again for photos,not sure if the gentleman is James Wilson.
I shall ask family members to see if they know. I really appreciate all your help it means alot to have photos of family and shop.
regards
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Hi Couple of photos of the twins (Photo 1). First photo Elizabeth (Lilly) and Mary (May) with their mother Mary Jane.
Elizabeth married James Hill on 20 September 1911 and was aged 23 at St Annes Belfast. She had three sons James born 9th April 1912 at 97 Donneybrook St, Belfast. He died 17 Nov 1955 aged 43 (Bachelor) of TB final address 54 Windsor Road. John was born 6th July 1915 and died 5th Jan 1918 (Broncho Pneumonia) he was born 83 Donneybrook St. Gordon was born 23 June 1923 and died 1991 aged 67. Elizabeth died aged 4th Feb 1968 aged 79 if heart disease.
Mary married Samuel Wilson Neil Dunseith on 26 March 1910 at St Annes. They had about 12 children, only names I know are James (Jimmy - died 15 June 1997), John and Sammy. Mary died on 20th June 1937 aged 49 and on her certification the cause of death says unclear. My grandmother say there was a coverup and her husband was very unkind to her. I think he will be the one you referred to earlier. I knew their son Jimmy and he was a lovely man in fact my brother has a tape somewhere of Jimmy talking about family history so we will try to find it. You can find the Dunseith's on the 1911 census at 5 Rainey Street, Windsor Ward.
Mary Jane the mother died on 22 September 1935 of intestinal statis Grave P752 City Cemetery.
James the Father died 16th December 1923 aged 74 City Cemetery - on both these records is says grave owner Thomas Kyle.
Mary Jane Wilson the other sister died 12 December 1965 aged 80 buried in City Cemetery -W1 196-Glenalina Extension
After this I have very little information other than some more photos to say John (photo2 attached) obviously must has squandered the money from the shops. He was a member of the Ulster Sports Club often went to functions at the City Hall, taking my grandmother and was obviously a man about town, although died penniless we think in a lodging house in Bethnal Green late 50s or early 60s.
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Hi
Thank you very much for all this info(photos dont seemed to have attached).
hubby has seen photo of soldier James Wilson somewhere before he thinks it may have been when he was a boy he also says the he was either a seargent/seargent major or of a higher rank as in photo he is holding a stick and in dress uniform privates did not carry
sticks only rifles,anyways his uncle Tommy will be visiting from London in June shall ask him if this is his father or grandfather if on your photo you can make out army number might be able to trace him.
regards
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A keep getting a message that the photos have the same name, I keep changing them and nothing happens, this is my third time - hopefully lucky regards
Hasnt worked - am trying two different photos - No.1 Mary Dunseith and sons
Second my Grandmother her sister Elizabeth
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Hi Lllymayglo
Thomas(tommy)Wilson is over for a family wedding who is now in his 86th year and as bright as a button he has a great sense of humour and as the saying goes he would keep a nation going first of all he would like to thank you ever so much for photos.The story as he remembers it the Albertbridge road shop closed in the 1940s during the war as fish became very expensive and people were not buying it the income from it was not enough to keep trawlers and the overheads of the shop however the Lisburn Road shop remained open Jane who he knew as aunt Ginny was in charge of Lisburn road shop while the men were at Albertbridge road.He remembers his aunt Ginny very well and says she often came to visit them at the Glougher in Lisburn bringing the Dunseith boys with her he says she had a great love of children and always had neices and nephews with her and often taken them on holidays as you said to Scotland. There is a connection with Mary Jane and Scotland but he is not sure if she was born there and brought up here are vice versa or if her parents were Scottish.He knew Jimmy Dunseith and Gordon Hill very well and speaks of them with great fondness.James and his family moved to London during second world war as houses/flats were a plenty because many people had moved away from London in fear of being bombed.He says the phto of the man in uniform is James Wilson senior (his grandfather) and that he was a staff sgt altough he died before he was born I suspect this photo is of a earlier war than ww1 incidently Tommy favours his grandfather alot.
regards
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Hi Lillymayglo my mother in law is Mary Jane Wilson, she must be your aunt as Thomas is her brother, I also was trying to find the maiden name of thomas Wilson's Grandmother; and where she came from, if you could help me it would be a great step forward in my family tree, here I enclose a copy of a photo,of Thomas & Mary Janes father and mother.
Photo James Wilson and Ellen Roads
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Hi dinkeybattersea
My husband is the grandson of James Wilson and Ellen Roads and the exact same photo hung on the wall while he was growing up. Husband father also named James eldest son of James and Ellen he passed away in 1991 the Thomas Wilson mentioned in my previous post is also a son of James and Ellen and my husbands uncle
regards bloodties
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Hi From dinkeybattersea, Wedding date For Ellen Roads & James Wilson was 6th of October 1911 at St Ann's Cathedral Belfast. James died on the 6th June 1946 aged 76 years, in Paddington Hospital his adress at time of death was 25 Chippenham Road Paddington. Ellen died on the 18 Feb 1951 aged 66 years also in Paddington Hospital Ellen's adress is the same as James. Ellen was born on 13 April 1889 in Acton Middsex, her father's name was Joseph Roads and this was his second marriag, her mother's name was Elizabeth Randall, She came from a large family. Hope this helps dinkeybattersea
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Hi dinkeybattersea.
I have marriage cert for James and Ellen but did not know when either of them had passed away so thank you for that info as said in one of my previous posts I have traced Ellen Roads back almost 600 years thank to London parish records and birth and death indexes.Ellen was baptized on the 9th june in south acton london
Joseph Roads married Eliza Randall on the 17th december 1877 in Ealing, Eliza already had 3 children at the time of her marriage to Joseph. they then had 8 children that one of them being Ellen.
Joseph first marriage was to an Emma Rush in december 1856 which also produced 8 children Emma Rush/Roads died age 44 in Acton in 1876 a year later Joseph married Eliza Randall. Joseph died in Acton in 1908 he was a policeman in the London Met
regards
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Hi
I thanks for reply. For a long time I thought that James and John might be same person then was told by family that John never married. James died in London in the 1940s not long after he moved there with his wife The family always thought that the Wilsons were the London connection when infact it was Ellen Roads James wife I have been able to trace Ellen back almost 600 years from London parish records.
regards
Hi,
My name is Ian *, but before I changed my name by deepole, it used to be * Gregg.
I am the second son of Lillian Margaret Gregg, formally known as Lillian Margaret Willson born 27 th of Oct 1914. My grandmother was Ellane Wilson my grandfather James Willson. I would love to have knowledge of relatives in and around Northern Ireland. Just as a matter of interest I was born * in * London. I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Regards,
Ian
* personal details removed in accordance with Rootschat policy. Please exchange such information by PM (Personal Message)
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Hi Pass
Welcome to Rootschat
Was your grandparents James Wilson and Ellen Roads married in Belfast 1911
Glad to be of help wherever I can just tell me what you would like to know
I was very grateful for the help of Lilymayglo and dinkbattersea.
regards
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Hi Dinkeybattersea
We now know the maiden name of Mary Jane Wilson to be Loughlin/laughlin as stated on childrens birth certs if you reply to this message then you would have made three posts and will be able to send you a personal message what I and Lilymayglo have discovered about the Wilson family.
regards
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Hi Bloodties I like your self have done a lot of work the Roads Family, As I came to a full stop on James Wilson Jn's Mother side. As you know my mother in law is Mary Jane Wilson daughter of James & Ellen. I tryed asking some of the children of James & Ellen's that are still alive, About his age and whear he was born, All agreed on December 1870 but not sure of Scotland or N Ireland, Bloodties was you'r husband's Father James Ronald. Yours dinkeybattersea
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Hello Lillymayglo and all.
Mary married Samuel Wilson Neil Dunseith on 26 March 1910 at St Annes. They had about 12 children, only names I know are James (Jimmy - died 15 June 1997), John and Sammy. Mary died on 20th June 1937 aged 49 and on her certification the cause of death says unclear. My grandmother say there was a coverup and her husband was very unkind to her. I think he will be the one you referred to earlier. I knew their son Jimmy and he was a lovely man in fact my brother has a tape somewhere of Jimmy talking about family history so we will try to find it. You can find the Dunseith's on the 1911 census at 5 Rainey Street, Windsor Ward.
While attempting to trace my family tree I came across this post. I am the youngest daughter of Samuel and Mary Dunseith and I remember my father speaking about all these people.
When I return to Belfast I always went to visit aunt Lilly. I knew Gordon Hill very well.
Samuel Dunseith was living with me when he died in 1964. I was only 3 years old when my mother died. She had ten children - Jimmy, Sammy, John, Molly, *, the twins Bob (Robert) and Willie, *, * and *. Four of the ten are still in the land of the living - * - in Australia, *, * and me. When Mary died we were told it was a blood infection from a insect sting.
I was told that my Uncle James moved over to Willesden (London) to run a public house - we've lost trace of them over the years.
* details of living people removed in accordance with Rootschat policy
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Hi Janet
I have just seen your posting as I have not been on this site for about 18 months. My mother died in the August just before your posting and we seem to have exhausted all contacts. I hope you can give us all as much information about the Wilsons as possible,most of what we now came from your Jimmy and my Mother and Grandmother. Can you also confirm if the other sister was Annie I just seem odd I never heard Auntie Jean or my Grandmother talking about her especially as Jean lived with us for years. Apologies for what was said about your Mother, people say things within the family and they are not always correct and what you said about the insect bite must be correct. It was insensitive of me to say otherwise. I was really very surprised to hear that there were still some of Jimmys brothers and sisters around, however, I suppose he was a grown man when you were born. I cant imagine what it must have been for you without your Mam as I have two little granddaughters both aged three. Once again I we can correspond I actually have a nice photo of the twins and Auntie Jeans, they are probably about 8-10 years on the photo. I will post it in the next day or two.
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Hello,
New to site! I find these posts fantastic and an unbelievable find for me.
My Mother-In-Law's, mother was Anne Wilson McGreevy, My mother-in-law was Hughena McGreevy, daughter of Hugh and Annie Wilson McGreevy of Belfast. My mother-in-law now to be called Hughena always told us of her mother working in these were fish shops. Hughena passed in 2013 she left Ierland for the United States when she was 20 years old. She didn't remember much. She told me her grandfather was James Wilson but could not remember her grandmother's name. Hugh and Annie , were married in 1910 and had 7 children. I'm really hopeful this is a match.
Please help me out.
regards Glabrous
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
My Mother-In-Law's, mother was Anne Wilson McGreevy, My mother-in-law was Hughena McGreevy, daughter of Hugh and Annie Wilson McGreevy of Belfast.
Is this the marriage of Hughena's parents in 1910?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09971/5625608.pdf
Hugh's father William is a baker. Annie's father James is a fishmonger.
KG
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Birth of daughter Annie in 1911 at 42 Albertbridge Road.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01532/1621149.pdf
Here they are in 1911 census......Hugh (or the enumerator) appears to write the surname as Greevy (transcribed as Greery) but in each entry there appears to be a small 'Mc'. See what you think!
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Albertbridge_Road/218681/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002176628/
In the LENNON WYLIE 1912 Belfast Street Directory.
42. McGreeney, H., fish monger
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/acomplete1912_a.htm
KG
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Hello Kiltaglassan,
Yes all of them seem to be on the right path. Thank you so very much!!! Happy New Year!
Are you related to the McGreevy's or Wilson's? I know that Hugh's parents were William and Sarah Porter McGreevy, but that's about it. I saw the picture you posted is that Hugh, Anne and Anne McGreevy? I love it all, keep it coming. lol
Thank You, Thank You!
Glabrous
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Are you related to the McGreevy's or Wilson's?
Nope, just a RootsChatter assisting you with your family ancestry! Latest photo avatar is of a great uncle and great aunt of mine.
Happy New Year to you too! ;D ;D
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I know that Hugh's parents were William and Sarah Porter McGreevy, but that's about it.
This is probably their marriage in 1877 at Ballymacarrett Parish Church.
William was a baker and Sarah Jane was a dressmaker. Both fathers were farmers.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1877/11122/8071966.pdf
Interestingly, in the 1877 Belfast / Ulster Street Directory (Lennon Wylie) William's address of 34 Malcom (sic) Lane gives this:
34. McAreavy, John
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/mcomplete1877.htm
This is them with son Hugh in 1901 census.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Victoria/St__Leonard_Street/1219096/
Son Robert (aged 14 yrs in 1901) born in 1887. MMN Porter #454
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02574/1951650.pdf
KG
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:D
Wow, I don't know how to "Thank You" for all the help and information. Is there an Historical Archive that could possibly have a picture of the "John Wilson Fish Merchant", @ 74 Albertbridge Road or the 429 Lisburn Road locations? I know there's one posted in this stream, but was hoping to dig up a better one.
Thank you again, and keep it coming!
Glabrous
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Is there an Historical Archive that could possibly have a picture of the "John Wilson Fish Merchant", @ 74 Albertbridge Road or the 429 Lisburn Road locations?
Hi,
Two institutions to bear in mind, who may help:
1. Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI)
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/proni-enquiry-service
How to request a search
To request a search, you can contact PRONI by e-mail or letter (details below) or alternatively complete a PRONI Enquiry form.
Public Record Office of Northern Ireland
2 Titanic Boulevard
Titanic Quarter
Belfast
BT3 9HQ
Telephone: +44 (0) 28 9053 4800
Email: proni(at)communities-ni.gov.uk
2. National Museums Northern Ireland
https://www.nmni.com/Contact-us.aspx
NMNI
Cultra, Holywood
Northern Ireland
BT18 0EU
Tel: +44 (0) 28 9042 8428
Email: info(at)nmni.com
KG
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Birth of daughter Annie in 1911 at 42 Albertbridge Road.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01532/1621149.pdf
On the birth record, Hugh was a fish monger but he has reverted back to his old trade of caulker for the birth of William in 1914. Then he was a boiler maker for John 1917, Sarah 1918.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01q66/
........marriage.......... 1910
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09971/5625608.pdf
KG
Edited to Add:
Caulker definition
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/caulker#:~:text=noun,a%20caulking%20tool%20or%20device.
Boilermaker definition
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/boilermaker#
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Yes, Great!
I remember Hughena, saying that her family worked on the construction of the "Titanic" as shipbuilders. This would also come in handy for the Wilson's Fish business they had a couple of fishing crawlers. One of Hugh's brothers Albert came to the United States in 1915ish and on his entry card he mentions a uncle John McGreevy, living in Pennsylvania. So that would make John and William brothers. I'll have to dig into the records and find more about John McGreevy of Pennsylvania.
Thank You again for all your help.
Oh almost forgot found a site https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/ that lists the cemetery's of Belfast and the graves, I found a couple of Hughena's brothers and one of here sisters, in the data base.
Thank you again for all your help, Happy New Year.
Keep it coming, Glabrous
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I'm getting confused on these records, both are birth records for Robert McGreevy one shows birth in 1889 the other shows it in 1887
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02574/1951650.pdf
and
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02456/1912759.pdf
Is one wrong or did they have two births and named them the same? Or did one pass away as a one year old and then they had an other birth and reused the name?
Glabrous
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I found it a death 18 months after the first Roberts birth.
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I found it a death 18 months after the first Roberts birth.
Good sleuthing, Glabrous! :)
For completeness here's the death in 1888. He was 15 months and died of meningitis.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1888/06170/4763674.pdf
KG
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Here is the states there's a voters registration list it doesn't give much info out just year of birth and where your registered to vote (What voting place.) It's helpful in finding living people. Is there a site that I could use, to find some of the living relatives in Ireland?
This is the one for the U.S.: https://voterrecords.com/voters/
Glabrous
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"Latest photo avatar is of a great uncle and great aunt of mine."
Kiltaglassan, Can you tell me the Regiment and unit that your great Uncle's uniform is from? Is it the "6th Inniskilling Dragoons"
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Kiltaglassan, Can you tell me the Regiment and unit that your great Uncle's uniform is from? Is it the "6th Inniskilling Dragoons"
He's not in the army, he's a sergeant in the Royal Irish Constabulary.
KG
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Got you, had to look it up, total unfamiliar with it, thank goodness for wiki.
Once again thank you for all the help!
I've reached out to all on this post, hoping there still active. After all, their family!
Glabrous
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I've reached out to all on this post, hoping there still active. After all, their family!
Glabrous,
The OP on this thread (bloodties) was active on-line here at 10.27am. If you haven't, maybe send her a PM to initiate contact and exchange e-mail and data.
KG
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Hi saw your message and realised your James Wilson was my grandmother's brother. Sorry I cant help with regard to what happened to the shops but I can give you some family background with dates etc etc.
I was confused when I read your message because we always thought John was the eldest son and it seems your relative James was the eldest and we knew John had lived in London. My mother is from Lancashire lived in Belfast from 1949 and John had left Belfast by then. My Mother who is 85 thought James lived in Lisburn and had a farm. Incidentally John died in London either late 1950s or very early 1960s and he died penniless. As far as I know there was seven children as mentioned on the 1911 census. The great grandmother gave birth to 11 of which 7 lived namely. James, John, Annie, Jane (known as Jean), twins Elizabeth (Lilly) and Mary (May) and finally Robert (Bob). My great grandfather James died in 1923 and the great grandmother died in 1935 the address on her death certification is 429 Lisburn Road. We were told it the business generated a very good income because they had trawlers in the 1920s and the telephone number for 429 Lisburn Road is listed in the 1913 Belfast telephone directory which you can view if you visit Lennon Wylie site which gives street directories for all belfast roughly from 1890s up to approx 1913. The other shop in question was on the Albertbridge Road, Nos 74 and 76. The name above the shop was actually John Wilson and I have a photograph of that shop. We also have photographs of the family in their younger days. Looking at dates your relative would have been approximately 18 when the twins were born and the brother John was about 10. He is still living at home in the 1911 census. Incidentally your relative my grans brother was married in the October 1911 and my gran was married a month earlier in the Sept same year. Her sister Mary (known as May) was married the year before. Jane (or we called her Auntie Jean) never married. My mother thinks Annie married and become a Johnston (not sure which spelling is correct for that name) nor do we know anything about Robert.
If you are still interested I can give you more information dates of marriages etc and I also have a photograph which says James Wilson on the back, however, the gentleman is in a military uniform so this may not be the correct James Wilson.
It may be that the great granparents left wills in which case I know the dates but will need to find them. I just found them recently on a free site for Belfast burials.
Hope some of this is of interest to you best wishes
I found this thread whilst having quick Google after speaking to my mum - I think James is my great grandfather, my mum recalls visiting Jimmy Wilson close to Lisburn and he apparently owned 3 fish shops and later moved to London - she recall playing with her cousins and there were 3 sons that were treated like princes - my grandmother apparently moved from London grew up in Ireland and moved from Belfast to Scotland.