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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Anne W on Thursday 27 May 10 11:50 BST (UK)
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Please forgive an ignorant Sydneysider who has never been to London in her life, but if someone died giving their abode as Princess St, Westminster in 1829, where exactly would that be? I'm having trouble finding a street map for that time period . I've found a Princess St near Waterloo, but wouldn't that be the wrong side of the river to be in Westminster?
Any help would be great.
Anne
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Could it be Princes Street, this link mentions Princes Street, Westminster.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=45180
Tressle :)
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Hello, Anne,
According to my Victorian A-Z, there is a Princess St NW in Paddigton, this runs between Grove Lane & Edgware Rd.
If you have access to a modern London A -Z, look for Edgware Rd & Lisson Grove, that was Grove Lane , a neighbouring Rd is North Rd.
Meliora
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My Victorian atlas also marks and lists it as Princesss Street. But the map here:
http://www.oldlondonmaps.com/greenwoodpages/greenwoodnorth17b.html
shows it as Princes Street. Just left of centre, near the bottom.
Nell
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Do you have any other life-event evidence to differentiate between the areas of Westminster & Marylebone or Paddington?
The whole Westminster area grew massively in the Victorian years and the street may well have existed but been redeveloped or re-named.
Dawn
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One of the burials from the family I am interested in is for William Rose in 1854. He gives his address as Princess Street and the Parish is Marylebone.
Thank you everyone for your help.
Anne
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The 1851 census has quite a long Princess Street West in Marylebone.
Tressle
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I have searched Princess Street, Marylebone, in the 1851 census
HO107/1491 folios 197 thro' to 232
Sorry, no family by the name of Rose found.
Can you tell us William Rose's age at death & his occupation & do you know where he was born ? If you let us have this info. we may be able to trace him at another address.
There is one in the same piece no, living in Salisbury Rd.
William Rose age 71 Gardener b. Scotland
Frances wife age 65
HO107/1431 folio 34 page 61
Meliora
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I have also checked 1851 census
HO107/1491 folio 783-4
Princess Terrace, Queens Terace
HO107/1487 folio 428-433
PRINCES St. Oxford St.
HO1491/ folio 107-108
PRINCES St Copeland St
Still no Rose family found.
Just realised you mention 1829 in your first post & then later on 1854, I take it that 1854 is the correct date.
Meliroa
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Sorry for being vague! I've found a death for Robert Richmond Rose in 1829 in Westminster at Records Search Pilot at Family Search. This is very exciting as I've been chasing him for years and to find a place and date of death for him is a big breakthrough. I've come across this William Rose who I think could be my Robert Richmond Rose's brother. William was 76 when he died on 10th October 1854. The address given is Princess Street and the Parish is Marylebone.
My Robert Richmond Rose married and his children were born in St Helier, Jersey and his widow and daughter were still there in the 1841 census. As to why he would die in Westminster, I can only think of some sort of family connection.
Thank you for all your trouble.
Anne
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Info found on William Rose
Death
Dec ¼ 1854 Marylebone 1a 357
Burial
22nd Oct St Mary Marylebone.
Do you have the death cert for William Rose ? Otherwise how do you know he was living at Princess St Marylebone ? Have you tried tracking William back thro' the census years. ?
re. Robert Richmond Rose. Have you tried to find his birth/baptism to ascertain where he was born ? You say he was married & had his children in Jersey, Channel Islands, what documentation do you have on this. ? Unless you can establish his parentage & that of William Rose, it will be difficult to say they were realated.
There is one William Rose who fits the age, i.e. circa 1778, his burial record at St Marylebone shows him to be 78 yrs old, livingin Haggerston W. Shorestich, a wid occ. Stationer, born Lamborn Berks.
HO107/1537 folio 472 page 6.
Have you any record of Robert Rich. Rose's children,i.e. did they marry & perhaps move to Westminster. ?
any info on the above would help.
Just found
Richard Richmond Rose
buried at St James Westminster 4th May 1829 age 55 so born circa 1774
Meliora
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Hi,
The William and Frances ROSE found by Meliora in 1851 seem to be living in Princess St. in 1841,
1841 HO107/678/6 f.20 p.34 St Marylebone
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William ROSE 60 Gardener S
Frances " 54 N
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Ann DRAKE 65 Ind N 350 ?
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Sarah LINN 55 Ind Y
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John BRADLEY 60 Ind N
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Not sure if this helps with your Robert though?
Regards,
Daisy
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I too was looking for the location of the same street (the way it's written in the 1841 census it looks like Princess's, as it's written with the 'long s' representing double-s, followed by another s), ...and funnily enough I was looking for Sarah Ann Linn in St Marylebone in 1841, and found that Sarah Linn adjacent to William Rose, gardener & wife Frances in St Marylebone St John.
However, alongside 'Princess's Street" that 1841 census area included Kelso Place, Samford Street, Orens Street, and Lisson Grove . This "Topographical Survey Of The Borough Of St. Marylebone 1834" shows that area; on that map it's shown as 'Princes Street' (as there is no Princess's street apparent in the immediate neighbourhood): http://mapco.net/stmaryle/stmaryle10b.htm
Browsing those "Princess's Street" pages in the 1841 census I spotted another Rose (related perhaps?), namely on page 23 of that 1841 census Mary Rose, 62, in the household of Ann Brunt, laundress.
rgds, Barry
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I’m very late to this chat but I can tell you that Princess Street in Marylebone is now called Boscobel Street. My mother was born there in 1926. Earlier, a large portion of the street was sacrificed to build the goods yard for Marylebone railway station, the terminus of the Great Central Railway which opened in 1899 or thereabouts.