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Title: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: bowes on Thursday 27 May 10 08:52 BST (UK)
Hi there,

Could sks pleaes do lookup in 1891 census, and if possible the 1871 census for the following:

Alfred George William Mindry B 1855 Portsea, Hamp and Selena Alberta Mindry (born Smith). He was a Ships Steward in the 1881 census.
Possible children were:
Frederick Robert Mindry B 1880 and any others unknown at this stage.

Frederick Robert Mindry B 1858 Portsea, Hamp with wife Mary Ann Mindry (born Warner). Occupation unknown.
Possible children were:
Robert Nathaniel Mindry B 1881 and any others unknown at this stage.

See below link:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,458153.0.html

Many thanks and kind regards
Jackie
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) LOOKUP
Post by: Tati on Thursday 27 May 10 09:11 BST (UK)
Hi Jackie,

Frederick Robert Mindry born ca. 1880 is shown as son to Frederick Robert and his wife Grace in 1881  ??? (Fred sr's age is mistranscribed I think, should be 24 instead of 34)
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=6568871
RG11/1146 91 9

Marriage Frederick Robert Mindry - Grace Duke Dec 1879 Portsea

Little Fred possibly dies in 1882 and Fred the elder in 1893. I wish I could find the family in 1891, sigh.
   
Oops sorry - should have read the last post on the other thread - you had this already.
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) LOOKUP
Post by: Tati on Thursday 27 May 10 09:28 BST (UK)
Alfred is already at sea in 1871.

I wonder if this is the family in 1861 - no Frederick shown though.

1861
RG9/633 107 25
Portsea, Hampshire
Grafton Street

Mary Mindry, head, mar, 36, b. Devonshire Devonport
Mary, dau, 12, scholar, b. Hants Portsea
Alfred, son, 6, scholar, b. do.
Henry, son, 1, b. Landport

Same family in 1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=6538820
RG11/1141 93 22
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) LOOKUP
Post by: bowes on Thursday 27 May 10 09:53 BST (UK)
Thanks Tati for the information.  But i am confused now:)  I found Frederick Robert Mindry chris 12 Sept 1858 St Mary's Portsea to parents Robert and Ann on LDS Batch C062615, with brother Alfred christened 22 Apr 1855 St Mary's.  What does this do to our path we are following?
Also, Frederick Robert Mindry b 1858 is shown as a father to Robert Nathaniel Mindry born 1881 Portsea.
Now this is where it gets good.  Robert Nathaniel had a son Alfred George William in South Africa, seemingly following a family name.
HELP:)
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) LOOKUP
Post by: Tati on Thursday 27 May 10 10:04 BST (UK)
I found Frederick Robert Mindry chris 12 Sept 1858 St Mary's Portsea to parents Robert and Ann on LDS Batch C062615, with brother Alfred christened 22 Apr 1855 St Mary's.  What does this do to our path we are following?
This bit seems correct eventhough I haven't a clue where Frederick is hiding on the censuses except for 1881.

Is the source for Robert Nathaniel's parentage trustworthy? Otherwise, if they were my family, I'd get the birth certificate to confirm.
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) LOOKUP
Post by: bowes on Thursday 27 May 10 10:20 BST (UK)
Hi Tati,

I found Robert Nathaniel Mindry birth on freebmd site.  It is also recorded in the family bible as 16 Sept 1881 in Portsea.  Can't verify now if i did find on LDS as server down or some such problem on the site.

Such a pity pound rand rate so bad, but looks like i will need to order from GRO.

Kind regards
Jackie
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) LOOKUP
Post by: bowes on Thursday 27 May 10 10:21 BST (UK)
If i could find Robert in 1891 census, then that might help ???
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) LOOKUP
Post by: Tati on Thursday 27 May 10 10:26 BST (UK)
Yes it would help - I spent 1hour+ and couldn't find either Robert or Frederick Robert or Grace  :( :(

I can't see anything regarding Robert Nathaniel on the IGI, either extracted or member-submitted.
   
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) LOOKUP
Post by: bowes on Thursday 27 May 10 10:29 BST (UK)
What a pain this is proving to be :(
Thank you for all your help today.

Kind regards
Jackie
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: bowes on Monday 07 June 10 19:44 BST (UK)
Hi everyone,

I now have copy of Robert Nathaniel Mindry birth certificate.
Parents are Alfred George William Mindry and Selina Alberta Mindry formerly Smith. Father occupation shown as Ships Steward RN H.M.S. Duke of Wellington.  Birth 16 Sept 1881.
Alfred is shown in 1861 census above with mother Mary, sister Mary and brother Henry.  However i cannot find them or the father Robert in the 1871 census.  Alfred would have been 16 and as he seemed to follow his dad into the navy, maybe he was an able seaman at sea during 1871.  But i still cannot find his mother Mary in 1871.
If anyone can help me find his mom and/or father Robert, i will be grateful

Many thanks

Kind regards
Jackie
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: bearkat on Monday 07 June 10 20:11 BST (UK)
Do you have the naval service record for Alfred George William MINDY?

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=6809084&queryType=1&resultcount=3
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: bowes on Monday 07 June 10 20:41 BST (UK)
Hi there,

No i don't unfortuantely. 

Regards
Jackie
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: bearkat on Monday 07 June 10 20:45 BST (UK)
You can download it for £3.50
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: bowes on Monday 07 June 10 20:54 BST (UK)
But will it help me find his mother in 1871?? I will need to download it at some stage, but at the moment i am looking for his mom's whereabouts.

Thanks for the link.

Kind regards
Jackie
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: bearkat on Monday 07 June 10 21:03 BST (UK)
There is a Robert MINDRY married age 48 Gunner 1st class born Gillingham

RG10/1134 folio 155 page 16
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: bowes on Monday 07 June 10 21:05 BST (UK)
is that in 1871? is Mary his wife with him? Or is he on board a vessel?
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: bearkat on Monday 07 June 10 21:09 BST (UK)
Yes, it's the 1871.  He's on a vessel.

BUT

was he enumerated twice?

RG10/1151 folio 114 page 39

living with wife Mary in Alverstoke.

Rat Island,
Robert MINDRY age 48 Gunner 1st class born Gillingham
Mary Ann age 45 born Devon
Mary Jane age 13
Frederick R age 11
Clind? E age 8 all born Portsea
Helena B age 2 born Rat Island, Portsmouth
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: bowes on Monday 07 June 10 21:15 BST (UK)
OH my, the plot thickens.  i am supposed to be going to sleep:) Do you think he could be enumerated twice?  I know that the enumerators got him wrongly put down as place of birth in some census's.  Either Chatham, Kent or he was shown to be Gillingham, Kent.  But it is the same guy as he is a Master Gunner for all.

I am gonna have to go now.  Will think on it some more and reply some more in the morning.

Regards
Jackie
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: bearkat on Monday 07 June 10 21:22 BST (UK)
FamilySearch Pilot has Robert MINDRY buried 31 March 1832 at Gillingham.
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: bearkat on Monday 07 June 10 21:45 BST (UK)
Here's the baptism of Robert junior in Chatham

http://www.rootschat.com/links/08u

Robert MINDRY married Theodosia GOSS 1808, St Margaret, Rochester

http://www.rootschat.com/links/08ud/
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: bowes on Tuesday 08 June 10 08:52 BST (UK)
The link for the baptism for Robert Mindry in Chatham does not link to a baptism, but to a royal navy record.
My Robert Mindry was born about 1825 so is the marriage of Robert and Theodosia his parents?

Regards
Jackie
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: bearkat on Tuesday 08 June 10 12:15 BST (UK)
Ooops try this link


http://www.rootschat.com/links/08uc/

Very long link shrunk!
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: bowes on Tuesday 08 June 10 12:23 BST (UK)
Not sure if my side, but there is no Robert Mindry on that baptism record.  Unless i am not seeing it?

So, regarding Robert Mindry the Master Gunner who was born about 1825, you mentioned he was on board a vessel in 1871 as well.  Could you tell me the name of the ship?

Kind regards
Jackie
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: bearkat on Tuesday 08 June 10 19:02 BST (UK)
Not sure if my side, but there is no Robert Mindry on that baptism record.  Unless i am not seeing it?


So, regarding Robert Mindry the Master Gunner who was born about 1825, you mentioned he was on board a vessel in 1871 as well.  Could you tell me the name of the ship?


It's a very large image.  You need to scroll to the right.  It's the first entry on the second page

It says Borough Island above the entry. Not sure if it's a ship or an island.  He is the only one there.

The other entries seem to be tenders.
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: bowes on Tuesday 08 June 10 19:25 BST (UK)
thank you.  got it now.  I will google Borough Island.

Regards
Jackie
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: bearkat on Tuesday 08 June 10 22:04 BST (UK)
It looks like Borough Island was also called Burrow Island or Rat Island

http://www.localhistories.org/gosport.html

Strange that it is known by both names in the same census.
Title: Re: MINDRY 1891 (and 1871) Lookup
Post by: comborna on Wednesday 16 May 12 05:48 BST (UK)
I've just found this post.  Robert Nathaniel Mindry married Ellen Jane Heslop in 1903 in Natal.  She was my husband's great aunt.  I have very little information on the Mindry family but would be happy to share what I have.