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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: annabananae on Wednesday 26 May 10 05:36 BST (UK)
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Hello,
My great grandfather John Taylor came out from Canada to Australia in 1930 aboard the QE2 when he was 17. Apparently his parents Stephen Norman Taylor and Ruth Helen Lipsett (Lippset/Lifford) died young in a car accident. Can anybody help me trace the family back any further? Where was John born and his parents too?
Thankyou for all of your help,
Anna Brisbane Australia
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Did he serve in WWII? I see in Australia Recordsearch a John Taylor b. 18 Mar 1911 in Estavan, Canada (this would probably be Estevan, Saskatchewan, I have relatives from the same area), next of kin Phyllis Taylor (wife?)
I haven't been able to find any trace of his parents yet; where do you have the names from? I thought his father might appear in WWI records but no luck. Do you have anything which mentions an occupation for his parents?
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Did he have any brothers or sisters that may help in the search.
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Yes, in the queensland australia bdm search his death records show his parents names. His wife was Phyllis so that record of WW1 is probably right. His parents are sure hard to track!
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Since the info on the death record would be supplied by an informant (maybe his wife or children) and the family in Australia quite possibly never met the family in Canada, it's possible that info is off.
Do you know where/when he married Phyllis? His marriage certificate might give different info.
(Although I see on the QLD bmd site his father's name only as "Stephen", no Norman, do you have the original?)
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Maybe you can answer a few questions that could help in the search.
Did John go to family or friends in Australia or just immigrate. It seems a long way for a 17 year old to go if he wasn't going to friends or family. You haven't told us if there were siblings or not. Do you know what his religion was as that can narrow down some possibilities. Most people use an ethnic background when talking about themselves such as English, Irish, Scot, etc.
If John went to family or friends, do you know if they immigrated from another country such as England.
I found a possible match but need more information
1911 Ontario Lincoln 18 Grantham
Stephen Taylor, b. 1888, England, age 23, boarder, immigrated 1906, Presbyterian.
In the same area
1911 Ontario Lincoln 21 Grimsby North
Lipsit changed to Lipsil on corrections page. Ontario had the greatest number of Lipsit and alternative spellings. The origin of this family appears to be Dutch.
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Sorry his parents did die in a car accident in canada and that is the reason for his immigration... I found out the 'Norman' for Stephen's second name from a family member, but no one can recall anything else to help in the search. His wife's last name was Embry.
Anna
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I think you need to get his birth certificate from Saskatchewan Vital Statistics. I tried to get you the website but my internet is very slow at present. His birth certificate will give his parents names and hopefully even more information. The information that you will get from the certificates is different for each province in Canada. We do not have a central registry, it is done by province. According to the information found from his WW2 file, John was born in March 1911 and the census of Canada was in June 1911. But we can't find those names on the census. There are several Taylor families in the Estevan area though.
I realize that both of John's parents died in a car accident. On his arrival in Australia did he live with any family members or was he totally on his own. Can you get a copy of the passenger list to see if you can get a departure port. Are there immigration or custom papers for his arrival in Australia? These papers could list who his contact in Australia was. If you can find the departure port or country, that may help in your search.
If your greatgrandfather had many children, he may have named them for relatives such as his grandparents which could also help in finding information on them.
I find it strange that at 17 he would go as far as Australia from either Canada, the USA or Great Britain unless he was going to meet up with family or friends. As we can't seem to find any evidence of his mother and father here, its it possible that one of them was originally from Australia. The other option is that he was extremely adventurous. Do you know what his occupation was? Sometimes sons carried on the occupations of their fathers. Any information can be helpful.
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If it is your John Taylor that was born in Estevan Saskatchewan in 1911, it is entirely possible that the family may have been in the USA at census time. Estevan is only 10-12 miles from the US border. The family may have been in Montana or North Dakota. Estevan main source of employment would have been the railway, farming and coal mines.
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Hi
The link for Saskatchewan Vital Statistics is http://www.isc.ca/VitalStats/Pages/default.aspx
I believe the certificates from Saskatchewan are quite expensive (around $50) and I'm not sure they contain all that much information. My mother was born in Saskatchewan in 1913 and I don't think her parents' names were on the copy of the birth certificate that she had....unfortunately, I can't remember where I put it so can't confirm that information.
The link for the Saskatchewan Genealogy Society is http://www.saskgenealogy.com/
They may be able to provide some information about certificates.
Regards,
Susan
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Hi Anna,
John Taylor is my Late grandfather. I would love to help you try and find out some info on his parents and grandparents. My knowledge is pretty limited but I will ask around. My Mother is Margaret Rose Giddings, maiden name Taylor who is a sibling of John and Phyllis Taylor.
I am curious where you fit into the family tree Anna?
Justin Taylor Giddings :)
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Since the info on the death record would be supplied by an informant (maybe his wife or children) and the family in Australia quite possibly never met the family in Canada, it's possible that info is off.
Do you know where/when he married Phyllis? His marriage certificate might give different info.
(Although I see on the QLD bmd site his father's name only as "Stephen", no Norman, do you have the original?)
hi, im also a decendant of this john taylor!! phyliss taylor (nee ballin) is my great nana...she lives down the road from me!!....the only info on the marriage certificate is he was born in estervan south saskatchewan...i think they were married in kingaroy, qld, but im not 100% sure...all i know about him is where and when he was born, and i would love to know and meet relatives from canada. currently our family tree records stop at him...so..i would love to know any information about him and his relatives!!
by the way..nana told me he didnt fight in the war because he had a bad heart..but she has a pretty shocking memory now!!
jaime, ipswich australia
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Sorry his parents did die in a car accident in canada and that is the reason for his immigration... I found out the 'Norman' for Stephen's second name from a family member, but no one can recall anything else to help in the search. His wife's last name was Embry.
Anna
umm anna, yeah phyllis' surname was embrey, she then married john, he died from a heart attack, i think ?. they had 5 children one of which is my nan...funny thing is, she married an embrey!!! its ok though, only related by marriage...phew!!...i dont know if any of this is helping? but this is the first ive found about him...and nana doesnt seem to know much about him either!! or else shes just not telling me!!
:)
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Hi again, Anna/Justin/Jaime!
I think you need to pool your resources and look at everything that's on his marriage/death certificates.
For example, when exactly did he marry and can you look at all the info there (e.g. witnesses to the marriage).
You say there's nothing on the marriage certificate apart from his birthplace - is there a space on the marriage certificate you have for parental info and it's been left blank?
On the death certificate it may say something about how long he's been in Australia.
You could also check with the library local to where he married for newspaper records - it might say "nephew of" somebody local.
The death certificate might not be the best source of info as his family in Australia might not know the full details.
http://cap.estevan.sk.ca/library/
- Estevan isn't that large a place. They do have some cemetery records and other local records up on the library website.
I'm simply not having any luck finding Stephen or Ruth in Canadian records. If they died in the 1920s/1930s that might be difficult to find, though. As Estevan is close to the border with ND they might also be hiding there (or even further afield; Montana?)
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hey justin was talkin to nan today...turns out shes ur aunty!!! small world!! and that u found out imma girl!! lol...dont worry most people just assume jaime is a boys name..im used to it!!