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Title: Eliza ROBERTS born abt 1834 Liverpool
Post by: DavidHWright on Monday 24 May 10 11:26 BST (UK)
Can some please lookup the 1841, 1851, 1861 census records for Eliza Roberts?
She married Samuel Shore in West Kirby, Cheshire in 1866 giving her father's name as Edward Roberts, a licensed victualler. 1881 census give birth as 1834 in Liverpool. So she may be the Elizabeth Roberts christened St Peter's, Liverpool 1835 (on IGI) - parents Edward & Margaret Roberts. Other possible siblings: John 1830, William 1829, James 1831, Ann Peacock 1832 (may be the Ann ROBERTS married to John PENDLETON and living with her widowed Mother Margaret ROBERTS aged 70 in Bebbington 1881), Martha 1837, Charlotte 1839, Nathaniel 1834
Additional Information: Pigot's Directory 1828/29 lists a publican named Edward Roberts in Spitalfiels, Liverpool . Also the Liverpool Poll Book of 1832 lists Edward as a victualler in Burlington St.

Thanks
David Wright
Title: Re: Eliza ROBERTS born abt 1834 Liverpool
Post by: suzard on Monday 24 May 10 11:48 BST (UK)
1871 gives birth as 1830 Liverpool???

Suz
Title: Re: Eliza ROBERTS born abt 1834 Liverpool
Post by: DavidHWright on Monday 24 May 10 12:14 BST (UK)
Oh dear! here's the 1881 record which seemed to me to be a good match:

Samuel SHORE  Head  M 44  b  Cheshire    County Constable      
Eliza SHORE Wife  47  b Liverpool    Constable Wife      
Sarah Eliza SHORE Daur 12  scholar b West Kirby, Cheshire     
George Frederick SHORE son 11 scholar b West Kirby
Alfred SHORE son 8 scholar b West Kirby

RG11/3571/41 p 14  18 Brombrough Road Lower Bebington, Cheshire    

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IGI does have a 1829 christening of Eliza Roberts in St peter's Liverpool. Parents Edward & Maria. Possible other siblings Thomas 1829, Charles John 1830, Jane 1827, Richard Joseph 1828.
Title: Re: Eliza ROBERTS born abt 1834 Liverpool
Post by: suzard on Monday 24 May 10 18:55 BST (UK)
here's the 1871
West Kirby Cheshire
Samuel Shore head m 34 County Constable ?????ett Cheshire
Eliza wife 41 Liverpool
Sarah Eliza daughter 2 Kirby Cheshire
George Fredk son 1 Kirby Cheshire
RG10 3743 64 18

there is a death reg freeBMD
Eliza Shore
age 52
mar qtr 1833
Chester
8a 290
I don't know if this is your Eliza's death reg -but if it is then it gives a y.o.b. c 1831

I have been looking for Edward Roberts occ publican -and also looking for the Edward Roberts/Margaret and Edward/Maria combinations

the best I have come up with so far -which if it was correct would complicate things-
1851
4 Dickinson St Liverpool
Edward marsden head m 47 publican Bedford Yorks
Margaret Roberts wife M 37 Holyhead Anglesey
Ann marsden daughter 13 Liverpool
John Marsden son 10 liverpool
James Marsden son 7 Liverpool
HO107 2181 2417 46


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Suz
Title: Re: Eliza ROBERTS born abt 1834 Liverpool
Post by: mosiefish on Monday 24 May 10 20:22 BST (UK)
Hi,

I did find this  :-\:

Marriage: 24 Jul 1835 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Edward Marsden - Engineer of This Parish
Margaret Roberts - Spinster of This Parish
Witness: John Griffiths; Joseph Nicholson, (X)
Married by Licence by: Montague Hawtrey Curate

Mo

Title: Re: Eliza ROBERTS born abt 1834 Liverpool
Post by: DavidHWright on Monday 24 May 10 22:13 BST (UK)
Do you think this might explain this - On IGI there is a Margaret with a second name of Roberts and a surname of Roberts. So on marriage her name would be Margaret Roberts Marsden. Here is the IGI record:

First names: Margaret Roberts Surname: Roberts    
   Christening:     22 MAY 1814      Llanddyfnan, Anglesey, Wales
     Father:     ROBERTS ROBERTS    
     Mother:     ELIZABETH

Thanks to Suz & Mo

David
Title: Re: Eliza ROBERTS born abt 1834 Liverpool
Post by: suzard on Tuesday 25 May 10 01:45 BST (UK)
I wonder if Eliza was born pre marriage??

Suz
Title: Re: Eliza ROBERTS born abt 1834 Liverpool
Post by: suzard on Tuesday 25 May 10 02:03 BST (UK)
this is them in 1861
The Nags head
156 Park Lane
Liverpool
Edward Marsden head M 59 Engine Smith Bradford Yorks
Margaret wife M 56 holyhead Anglesey
John E son 18 Engine Turner Liverpool
James son 16 Cl Brokers Liverpool
Jane Jones servant 16 gen serv Liverpool deaf from birth
plus
4 Lodgers who were all "Seamen"
and Peter taylor visitor U 21 Farmer's asst Ireland
RG9 2675 36 1

Edward doesn't give occupation as "Publican" as possibly Margaret ran the Inn while Edward worked -but it was not uncommon for a wife's occupation to be ignored!!!

Suz
Title: Re: Eliza ROBERTS born abt 1834 Liverpool
Post by: DavidHWright on Tuesday 25 May 10 03:09 BST (UK)
Thanks Suz

Is there anything you've found on the 1841 census that places Eliza Roberts/Marsden living in the household of Edward & Margaret Roberts?

Also can you tell where Eliza was living in 1851 or 1861?

David
Title: Re: Eliza ROBERTS born abt 1834 Liverpool
Post by: suzard on Wednesday 26 May 10 14:53 BST (UK)
I can't find the Roberts/marsdens in 1841 and am not having much luck with Eliza!

nearest I can find are:

1851
6 Pleasant Hill St Liverpool
Edward Roberts head M 53 cowkeeper Hope Flints
Marie wife 56 Cheshire
Martha daughter U 23 Cargeley? Flints
ELIZA daughter U 21 Liverpool
HO107 2186 309 2

and then

1861
32 Gardeners buildings Toxteth Park
Edward Roberts head M 56 Cotton Yarn Dresser Bolton Lancs
Mary Ann wife 53 Bolton
ELIZA daughter U 29 Weaver Clifton lancs
Edward son U 22 Grocer Oldham
Sarah Ann daughter 24 Weaver Oldham
Alice Arrowsmith mother in law W 77 Waever Bolton
John Grimshaw nephew 13 weaver Droylsden
Samuel Ki?? assistant 18 grocer New Mills Derbys
RG9 2872 74 11

but then ibn 1851 there is
Butler St Preston
Jane Williams Head U 51 Housekeeper Westmorland
ELIZA ROBERTS servant U 19 Liverpool
HO107 2265 608 35

and 1841

Oldham lancs
Edward Roberts 35 cotton yarn draper
Mary 30
ELIZA 9
Sarah 4
Edward 2
Mary 5mths
Alice arrowsmith 50 Cotton
Sarah Arrowsmith 20cottonweaver
all b in county
HO107 546 37 68

Suz
Title: Re: Eliza ROBERTS born abt 1834 Liverpool
Post by: DavidHWright on Wednesday 26 May 10 15:34 BST (UK)
IGI has a Martha Roberts christened 05 AUG 1827 in Hope, Flintshire. Parents Edward & Maria. Looks like a match to the Edward & Maria who chr Eliza in St Peter's, Liverpool 1830. I also like that they have a Cheshire connection via Maria's birthplace.

Thanks again
David
Title: Re: Eliza ROBERTS born abt 1834 Liverpool
Post by: suzard on Thursday 27 May 10 11:04 BST (UK)
I liked that one - but Edward's occupation was not quite right.


Do you have Eliza's marriage cert??

If so I wondered who the witnesses are??

Suz
Title: Re: Eliza ROBERTS born abt 1834 Liverpool
Post by: DavidHWright on Thursday 27 May 10 16:19 BST (UK)
The marriage record is on the Cheshire Parish Records Project database
http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/ here it is
8661101
SAMUEL SHORE bachelor policeman of West Kirby (father George Shore, blacksmith)
married Eliza Roberts spinster of Grange by banns (father's name Edward Roberts, Licensed Victualler)
both signed.  Witnesses were Solomon Hill and Mary Matthews

 
There are a couple William & Mary Roberts living in Neston (close to West Kirby). In 1881 Mary is a widow & a publican - so was William a publican in an earlier census? If so and I can establish a family link to Edward Roberts we might imagine that Edward of Maria moved to Neston to help in the pub. What do you think?

Best Wishes
David