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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: fofofo on Saturday 22 May 10 16:54 BST (UK)
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I found this in the 1841 Census for my ancestor Joseph Harpur, who was baptised 31 May 1779: that he was a brick maker at Uttoxeter Road. In the registration of his daughters marriage to her second husband, he is discribed as being of Rowditch Derbyshire.
I then discoverd that he was mentioned as a Freeholder. He died aug 1853 and was wealthy because there was a sale by auction of various houses and parcels of land.
The I found that there was a Rowditch farm which was built in the 18th century but was gradually taken over by a junior branch of the Harpur family for brick making.
Question:
Is there any photo of said building? Are there any copies of newspapers/documents etc? Is the Harpur family known in Rowditch?
I think Joseph Harpur's father was Thomas. His wife was Hannah, but I do not know her last name.
Any help would be great.
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You should also research his will.
Ken
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www.staffspasttrack.org.uk has photographs of all sorts of places/artefacts connectd in Staffodrshire - you may hit lucky there.
Cati
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Thank you, I looked at Uttoxeter, but could find no links.
I am wondering if there is a link to the Harpur Crew family. I have applied for the will of Joseph and am receiving it shortly.
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This is a photo of Rowditch Farm with the brickworks in the background , it was taken in 1955.
The whole area has been re-developed and is now known as a Kingsway Retail park.
If your family lived in this area they could be buried in Uttoxeter Road Cemetery ?
Paul
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Thank you so much fo rthe picture. It gives a great idea how it all looked like.
Is there a way of finding out if Joseph Harpur was burried in the Uttoxeter Road cemetary?
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Iam glad to help !
The records for Uttoxeter Road Cemetery are at Nottingham Road Cemetery Derby , they have quite a few names on the computer but I don't know if a complete record of Uttoxeter Road Cemetery is on there.
If you know a exact date of death they will usually look in the books for free but if you don't they may charge a small search fee.
Paul
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Hello Fofofo,
Although Joseph Harpur died about August 1853, there was still problems re his estate the notice for
High Court of Chancery appear in the Derby Mercury 23.12.1857 and 6.1.1858.
Plaintiff - Mary Camp, wife of George Camp, by William Pool (her next friend)
Defendants - Moreton Charles Wedge, George Peach and the said George Camp
Chancery records are at the National Archives in "The Catalogue"
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp
If you put "Harpur" in box "Word or Phrase"
In year range 1853 to 1857
You get the following:-
C 15/382/H71 1857 H71. In the matter of Harpur; Camp v Wedge. Administration summons 1857
Click on this item, the above details are then repeated.
On this page it is important to click on C15 Court of Chancery - which gives further details of how
to discover further information.
Apologies if you already know how to search the Kew Site.
Regards
Spendlove
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Thank you so much, I did not know this. I reside in The Netherlands and am unknown with the archieves in the UK. I am really greatful.
With regards, Marnix Alexander de Paula Lopes
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Hello everyone! I was able to get the Will of Joseph Harpur. In it he mentions his two daughters Mary Camp (widow of James Copestick) and Sarak Edwards. Because the photo was given on this forum, I was contacted by a lady in Utah USA. She send me a letter made by a historian. In it it sais thatJoseph Harpur was indeed a brickmaker of Rowditch. He was mentioned in a Journal of his brother Thomas. Further proof is that he was a Wesleyan Methodist, just like James Copestick Harpur was baptised. The letter states that Joseph Harpur was son of Thomas Harpur of littleover b. 1751 and Sarah Walker. Thomas was son of Henry Harpur who settled ini Littleover (freehold and farmer) b. 1699 married Elizabeth Wagg. Henry was son of Henry, settled on a local family estate at Wensley and married Catherine Barbour of Tamworth. Henry was son of William Harpur of Bilston, who married Alice Coke. Williams father was Sir Henry Harpur who became a baroner in 1626. From here the line goes up to 1086!
Soooooo.... There must be local historians, family archieves or researchers who must know more and who can see if my data is correct and that I indeed am related to the Harpur family of Derbyshire. What I need is someone who can help me put all the puzzle pieces that we have talked about together. Is anyone out there who can help (as I reside in The Netherlands).
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I know this is an old thread, by my ancestor, Abraham Denston (Denstone) owned Rowditch farm before his death in 1779. I can't find much that pre-dates the Harpurs bricks though. Abraham was a plasterer by trade but in his will it states "...to his wife Ann for life with remainder to their children (except James) - the privilege of making bricks at Rowditch to his wife and children (James to have 2 shares). 23 Mar 1779". His wife, Anne Lown passed a year later in 1780 so I imagined it remained with one of his children until Harpur purchased it.
So I am keen to learn about this too! I am going to Derby (from NZ) in June and will look around though I don't fancy my chances of seeing much!