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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: jakezed on Friday 21 May 10 03:51 BST (UK)
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Does anyone have any information about my great grandfather Thomas Dobson or his sons Michael or James. Thomas was born in Westoe, South Shields circa 1829 but despite there being several 'Thomas Dobsons' I cannot find him on the 1841 census so cannot identify his mother or siblings. I have a marriage certificate for his first marriage to Ann Cook when he was living at Rabbit Banks, Gateshead. His father is named John with profession given as 'Agent'.
I have been able to trace Thomas from the 1851 census through to the 1891 census and I know he died in 1899. He owned a horse slaughtering business in Walker Terrace and it seems he was also an innkeeper.
Thomas's horse slaughtering business was taken over by his sons Michael (born c1878)and James (born 1882) from his second marriage to Catherine Wheatley. James was my grandfather and I have sketchy information about him but despite a great deal of searching I cannot discover what happened to Michael who was a favourite uncle of my father.
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In the 1841 census for Low Felling, Heworth, Co Durham, wrongly indexed as Dabson, is John Dobson 34 labourer at Iron works, wife Mary 36 son Thomas 12 and daughter Mary 10
In 1851 he is at the Ship Inn, Heworth.
Could this be your man?
Peter
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Thank you. That appears to have solved that frustrating little mystery. I am interested that he is at the Ship Inn in 1851. The record I found showed him living at Felling (occupation - Engineman) with his wife Ann and child, Jane. There is no street address on the census image I saw. However, the link to the Ship Inn is appropriate as in the 1891 census his daughter Ellen is recorded as a barmaid at the Ship Inn, working for her aunt - Mary Hogarth. So that would tie in with the name of Thomas's sibling you have provided from the 1841 census.
Thanks again
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Sorry I didn't make it clear. It was the father John Dobson who was at the inn. As you say Thomas the son was married by that time and living with his wife and child elsewhere in Low Felling.
Peter
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Peter
Since your last note about John Dobson being at the Ship Inn in the 1851 census I've been trying to locate him (and wife, Mary) myself - without success.
However, I can find John there in the 1861 census with a different wife (Margaret). Can you help?
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Dreadfully sorry! My notes seem to have fallen into confusion.
The 1851 census has at Felling Shore, Heworth Chapelry, John Dobson 44 foreman at Felling Soda Works born Westoe Co Durham with his wife Margaret 46 born Sunderland. a daughter Mary 19 employed as a teacher born Westoe, his father Michael 79 not employed, born Capheaton Northumberland, and a servant girl Mary Owens.
The name is indexed as Johson.
Hope this does clear it up! Peter
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Did you find Michael Dobson baptised 1771 at Capheaton Roman Catholic chapel, father Joseph?
Peter
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Hello, I was very interested to read your search for Michael Dobson the son of Thomas Dobson. Thomas Dobson was my great-great grandfather and my great grandfather was William Dobson his brother. My grandfather was also called William and his son (my father) was called Michael. I can tell you what happend to Michael Dobson the son of Thomas. I have been researching the family history and have a lot of facts and interesting information.
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Hi, just to let you know that Thomas Dobson was my great grandfather and my grandfather Joseph Dobson was his son to Ann Cook.
Nearly all the family have headstones in Gateshead East Cemetery, all except my great grandmother Ann, who for some reason is buried unmarked.
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Forgot to say also that my grandfather is in an unmarked grave and his wife, my grandmother Ellen.
The family of the second marriage however, all have large headstones.
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Hello,
I sent a message this morning but I am not sure whether it was sent correctly? To be sure I am now sending this message.
I would like to start by saying that Thomas Dobson born in 1829, Westoe was my great-great grandfather. I know he was married twice and I am part of the second family. My great-grandfather was called William Wheatley Dobson born in 1877 and his son (my grandfather) was also William Wheatley Dobson born in 1899. My father was born in 1932 Michael Peter Dobson.
I have been researching the family tree for quite a while and have built up an extensive amount of information.
I know that Ann Cook is also buried in an unmarked grave in Gateshead-East I have the exact co-ordinate of where that grave can be located.
My mother passed away last December and whilst we were waiting outside the church (St. Joseph's, Gateshead High Street) someone approched my brother with the question whether we were related to the "Joseph Dobson" side of the family. My brothers are not aware of the names and historical times of the Dobson family so my brother said he did not know? Was this someone from your side of the family?
My grandmother died a few years ago at the age of 93 she was married to William Dobson born in 1899. Amongst my grandmother's possession were two portrait pictures of Thomas Dobson and Catherine Wheatley Dobson.
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Hello,
Thomas was of course married to Ann Cook who was my great grandmother, and they had quite a few children, one being my grandfather Joseph Francis Dobson.
He went to St Cuthbert Grammar school, and for all his education, he ended up as a labourer, and at nineteen years old the census of 1891 shows that he was in one of those institution poorhouses.
I wish I knew who was to blame for that situation.
I believe he was good enough to do Michael,s accounts for him, but got very little help for it.
But of course they were step brothers.
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It would be nice if I could have seen a copy of Thomas and Catherine,s photo.
Michael, my great great great grandfather who was a native of Kirkwhelpington and Capheaton is buried together with his son John and Margaret in St Mary,s churchyard Heworth, and I Know that Jane, Michael,s wife died in 1844 at Westoe South Shields, and probably buried there.
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Hello again,
Of course it is possible to send you a copy of the portraits of Thomas and Catherine. I also looked up information on Joseph in 1891 and I found him at the Royal Infirmary, St Nicolaas, Newcastle. I believe that Joseph was ill and in hospital at this time and was not in a poor house as you believe? I also found the rest of the family in 1891. Thomas Dobson Sr age 62 and his wife Catherine, age 49 were the publicans of the Fox, Lamb Public House situated at 3, 5 and 7 Chandelss Street. They had two servants but no family staying with them???
This I found was a strange situation due to the fact that their youngest child George age 6 years old in 1891.
I found the family living at 6 Burdon street which was round the corner from Chandless Street. Living there was Thomas Dobson age 21, William age 14, Michael age 12, Edward age 11, James age 8 and George age 6. I believe Joseph also lived with them as he was aged 19 at this time but when the census was taken he was at the Royal Infirmary. (When the census were taken this was done on a specific date and listed household members present in the houses on those days so anyone temporary absent would not be listed). Thomas Dobson Jr was also a half-brother to the other brothers and he was living with them? I detect from your messages that maybe you feel their was a rift in the family and that the Wheatley side benefited more than the children born to Ann Cook this according to the information I have is not true. For example Michael Dobson was living in Ellison Street with his brothers and he also had an Ellen Caden staying with him with her children. Ellen was actually his half sister Ellen Dobson. I have detailed information of Ellen's life which is quite interesting. I also have information on Joseph's sister's margaret and Elizabeth.
You mention that the Wheatley's have nice graves well that is all down to Michael Dobson he paid for all the headstones and they were erected after the people died and the names on the graves do not correspond with the people buried there.
Can I ask you if you were the person that was outside St. Joseph's church for during my mother's funeral? Otherwise this is someone else looking for the Dobson family.
If you would like further information reply again,.
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Hi,
yes I was the person or relative outside the Church of St Joseph,s because I attend the church regularly, most of the info you have supplied I am very grateful for, and You have just helped me as to where the Fox and Lamb was.
I also knew about Ellen Caden, I remember a cousin Edith a spinster on the Caden,s side also.
Thanks again for all your help.
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Hi,
forgot to mention that I am Joseph George Dobson, son of Joseph Dobson son of grandfather Joseph, and grandmother Ethel.
I may have called her Ellen previously, but its definately Ethel.
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Hello again,
Thank you for your answer about being outside the church. It is interesting to learn that you attend St. Joseph's because my father and his sister were regulars. My grandmother also attended St. Joseph's. I went to St. Joseph's school and was baptised there and did my communion etc, The priest that did the mass for my father and mother was my father's godson (Father David Smith). My father was an altar boy at St.Joseph's and I believe there is a family chalice that my grandmother paid for. My grandmother was Mrs Evelyn Ross (she married twice and was Evelyn Dobson).
I have a lot of information that if you wish I will share with you as I believe that this is something that should be given to future generations. Just for the record I do not live in the United Kingdom I live in The Netherlands. I have also contact with a relative of ours in New Zealand which originates from James Dobson (Joseph's half-brother).
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I would love to have anything you have to give regarding the family, because as you suggest for the future generations to take in and digest.
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Hi,
If you could let me have a copy of Thomas and Catherine, I would be grateful, as i do not have a photo of them..
Any info you have would be of interest to uor families.
regards Joseph
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Hi Joseph,
Sorry I have not been in touch but I am having some work done on the house and everything is upside down. I will get back to you in the next couple of days.
greetings,
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Hi,
Not a problem, hope you get the home sorted out.
I shall look forward to hearing from you.
Meanwhile I have the burial details of Jane Dobson, wife of Michael of Westoe.
Died 1st of February 1844 in Westoe Village, buried 4th February in St Hilda,s Churchyard, South Shields.
regards Joseph.
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Hi Joseph,
Can you send me your e-mail address so that I can send the pictures. Via this site it is not working?
My e-mail address is: susan.steenhorst@gmail.com.
groetjes,
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The moderator will bleep out your email address so it is best to contact directly through the messaging system then you can exchange information like email addresses. Below the person's name you want to contact are a few circles. Click on the one that looks like a note pad - on the right-and you can send a message to that person.
Janis