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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Icicle on Thursday 20 May 10 21:18 BST (UK)
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Does anyone have any information on the Buckle family from Farnham/Scotton near Knaresborough? Or some ideas on where I go next :)
I have William who was born about 1811 on the 1841 and 1851 census living in Dodworth, Barnsley. Occupation Inn keeper.
The 1851 page is almost unreadable except for his birthplace - Farnham, Yorks.
There is a Buckle family living in Scotton/Farnham. He is, possibly, either the son or newphew of Simon b.1779, William b.1787, Walter b. 1790 or Thomas b.1792. And grandson of William Buckle (1755 -1794) and Sarah Fawcett.
Of course I could be completely wrong so any help or advice appreciated ;D
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Hi
Can you give me the references for both the 1841 and 1851 census please as I cannot see him at the moment
Evie
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Hi Evie
References as follows:
1841 RG H0107, 1325, folio 10/41 page 16
1851 RG Ho107, 2332, folio 217 page 26
I think he died in 1854.
Any help would be much appreciated :)
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Thanks for the references - I'll see what I can find.
I see what you mean by the 1851
Evie
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This is a difficult one Icicle.
The only William I can see baptised in Farnham was in 1804 to Thomas. Going from the 1841 census William could have been born about 1807. Maybe he got his age wrong by 3 years. I have tried to look for a marriage for Thomas in Farnham but nothing fits. I think the Thomas you mentioned born 1792 will be too late.
It also intrigues me who Mary Chambers is in the 1851 census, have you mangaed to find out at all who she belongs to. Maybe Mary his wife?
Evie
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Hello Icicle,
The following may be of interest. I've my monumental inscriptions' recordings of St.Oswald's Parish Churchyard at Farnham, was in West Riding of Yorkshire.
Done in 1981. One headstone, of William Buckle, year died thought to be 1794. Is worn. Another headstone of 2 young children of Thomas and Easter Buckle year 1851, and infancy, and 1858. Daughter Mary in 1851 a.22. No other persons. The 2 headstones are close. Can send exact as copied and checked. Also made a plan of locations of the MI's. Several archives received copies.
Gragareth.
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Hi Evie and Gragareth
Thankyou for taking a look at this for me. I feel that I am frustratingly close to solving this. I am sure 'my' William is related to the Buckles in Scotton/Farnham but I don't know how :)
I'm going to have another look through my notes tomorrow - I'm sure I've seen the name Easter/Esther Buckle some where - too late tonight to find it. I'll be back to you ;D
Cheers
Louise
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Hi Guys
I had a look through my various scribblings and came up with the following:
The easy bit is that in 1841 and 1851 he was an Inn Keeper in Dodworth, Barnsley. His son George and grandson, also William, were Innkeepers and Butchers in Dodworth. I can't find him in the 1861 census but there are two Williams death registered in Barnsley for 1854. His wife was from Darton.
I had a note of the 1804 christening but had a big question mark because it seemed too big a gap from the 1811 birthdate on his census return.
I think you are right Evie that the 1792 Thomas is too late.
Mary Chambers may be a relative of Williams wife Mary, possibly a niece. In 1841 there is a Sarah Chambers living in Darton a widow and Innkeeper. In the household there is a George Buckle, age 20, Butcher. I'm still trying to work out where this George fits in - he not the son of William.
The headstones are interesting. I thought Easter was a mistransciption on the census as she also appears as Esther. Mary their grand daughter married a William Worth in 1847 and they had a daughter Sarah. Mary died in 1851 and William remarried in 1859.
It gets very confusing because William and Sarah named their children William, Thomas, Simon, Walter, Ellen, Sarah and Elizabeth. And his brother Thomas and wife Ellen named their children Mary, John, Elizabeth,Walter, William and Ann ???
Maybe my next step is to try and find William and Marys marriage. If she was from Darton which parish would that come under?
The joys of family research ;D
Louise
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Hi Louise
I haven't found much out I'm afraid.
Darton seems to be in the registration district of Barnsley as is Dodworth. On the IGI marriages for Darton are covered from 1700 to 1837, whether they are complete I don't know, but there is no marriage for William and Mary. I am wondering did they marry in Dodworth? I don't think the IGI covers this place but I could be wrong.
You have probably looked this up but the Sarah Chambers, George was staying with in 1841, I believe married Godfrey Chambers in 1803, Darton, her maiden name was Strutt. I had a look at their children but no Mary Chambers came up within the batch number.
Did William and Mary have only two children that you know of?
Evie
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Hi Evie
Thanks for looking. As far as I know William only had 2 children, George b.abt 1836 (who is the direct ancestor) and Elizabeth, b. abt 1834 (who I think died in 1851 - but I need the cert to confirm it)
I was going to add William to my 'leave it and look at sometime in the future' pile. :)
Then I had a read back through the posts and saw your comment about Mary Chambers. So I did a bit of searching.
Found marriages in Dec Qtr 1837 in Ecclesfield registration district (which included Dodworth and Darton) which included the names William Buckle and Mary Chambers. What if they were both on a second marriage with George and Elizabeth being from Williams first marriage and the 10 year old Mary Chambers being Marys daughter. Curiosity is getting the better of me so I am going to raid the piggy bank and send for the cert.
I then went back to look at the 1841 census where Inn keeper Sarah Chambers has George Buckle living with the family which included Janet Chambers b.1825.
Also found a marriage between Janet (Jennet) Chambers and Richard Buckle in 1844. Tracked them through later census - he gives his birthplace as Farnham, same as William and she gives hers as Darton. In 1841 Richard is living with Walter Buckle and family in Brearton, Knaresborough.
Looks like there is a link between the 2 families. Just a shame it is all happening just the wrong side of 1837 ;D
Louise
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Wow Louise you have been busy. How interesting.
I was wondering if it was a second marriage too or if Mary was the illegitimate daughter of Mary. Hopefully the certificate will confirm one way or the other, please let me know.
I see Richard was the son of Thomas and Ellen christened 4 April 1813 Farnham
Evie
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"I see Richard was the son of Thomas and Ellen christened 4 April 1813 Farnham"
Which would make him the brother of Walter who he was living with in 1841 and William who was b.1804 and might be my guy ???
Have ordered the cert, so fingers crossed.
Have also discoverd, thanks to my MIL who from Kexborough, that the church for Darton is All Saints and Dodworth is St John the Baptist. Any idea where the parish records would be?
Louise
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Hi Evie
William's marriage cert arrived this morning and it is certainly interesting
William Buckle, widower, married Mary Chambers, spinster at Darton on 12 Oct 1837. William is shown as Farmer and his father is Thomas Buckle, Butcher.
Mary's father is Godfrey Chambers. His occupation is virtually unreadable. I think it says coal miner but OH opted for lock keeper ???
So, Evie you were right. Mary had an illegitimate daughter and William was on his second marriage.
Williams first wife must have died between son George's birth in 1836 and Oct 1837.
The William born in 1804 to Thomas and Ellen Buckle in Scotton/Farnham could be my guy.
Looks like Mary is the daughter of Godfrey and Sarah Chambers.
Now all I need is access to the Darton/Dodworth and Scotton/Farnham Parish Registers ::)
Louise
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Excellent Louise, thank you so much for letting me know. :)
I have had a quick look on the 1841 census but cannot see Thomas Buckle as yet, he could have died.
As Sarah Chambers seems to be head it looks like Godfrey has also died which is a shame I was hoping to see his occupation. You couldn't scan that bit could you to see if I can make it out?
I will see if there is anything else to find but I think with the sources available to me probably not.
Evie
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Hi Louise
You may find this link for Farnham registers interesting. I haven't really searched through them yet although William 1804 was mentioned but no occupation for Thomas.
http://www.archive.org/stream/registersoffarnh56farn/registersoffarnh56farn_djvu.txt
Evie
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Evie
That is brilliant - guess what I am going to be doing this evening :)
Louise
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Hi
Looking at the transcript for Darton in Baine's Directory in 1822 there is a Godfrey Chambers who was the vict. of the Malt Shovel.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Darton/Darton22Dry.html
Evie
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Hi
I had a trawl through the Farnham register last night and early this morning......
The Buckles seem to have been in the area for ages - earliest entry is a baptism in 1582!
There was no other William baptised around that time except for the 1804 one. But the register stops at 1812, so I can't find Richard Buckle either ::)
I couldn't find a marriage for Thomas and Ellen which suggests she was from a different parish.
The search continues :)
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All Barnsley/ Farnham etc
I have Thomas Buckle m Ellen..children Elizabeth 1800 Walter 1802 m Jane..WILLIAM 1804 ..Ann 1807.. Abraham 1810 Richard Buckle 1813 m Janet CHAMBERS..George Buckle 1816 m Ann
George was Licenced Vict in 1851 Any help?
Richard Buckle m Nenet is my line :D