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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: dancing lady on Thursday 20 May 10 08:34 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help me with
William CHISHOLM I have no birth or death
he Married
Elspet FRAZER 1 Feb 1790 in Dundee her wedding papers show her father as
David FRAZER I can't find her birth
she died 3 August 1837 in Arbroath.
Any help apreciated, dancing lady Australia
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Hi had a look and can only come up with this William and Elspeth Fraser had a child also William on 13 11 1796 Dundee also marrage it reads William Chisholm Smith to Elspeth Fraser daughter of David Fraser church of Scotland old parish records in Scotlands people .
Dont know about the Smith bit but may help in some way.
Jim
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Last message should be Elspet.
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William & Ellspet had 7 children, which I suspect you may know?
WILLIAM/WILLM. CHISHOLM/ ELSPET/H FRASER
Children Dundee.
JOHN 12/05/1793, GEORGE 14/06/1795, WILLIAM 13/11/1796, CATHARINE 31/03/1799, JAMES 21/06/1801, THOMAS 21/04/1805, HELEN 3/07/1808
Colin
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Extra in fo on FreeREG on that Bapts.
One witness to a bapt is a Catharine Fraser, Aunt
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It's often useful to view the originals of Dundee baptisms because they sometimes tell you explicitly who the child was named after, not just who the witnesses were. By all means have a look at the extracts of all the baptisms on FreeREG, but it's also a good idea to check the originals at Scotland's People. See screenshot.
I wonder why, if Elspet's father's name was David, she didn't name a child David? Could there have been an older, unrecorded, child between the marriage in February 1790 and the baptism of John in May 1793?
It's also curious (to me, at least) that in spite of there being 7 known children between 1790 and 1810, none of them, so it seems, died in Dundee or Angus or the Lowland counties after 1855. I'd have expected one or two to survive and stay in the area. Did they all die young? Or did they all emigrate? Or did they all move north into the Highlands (unlikely, if their mother died in Dundee when they were all adults)?
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WILLIAM CHISHOLM, age 66 (1765) died 13/03/1831 Dundee. William maybe?
The only possible death I could find for ELSPETH CHISHOLM 31/08/1837
Arbroath but no detail.
As their eldest son was John, this birth/baptism in Fife may be worth further research but there are 3 others 1765 +/- 2 years elsewhere.
WILLIAM CHISHOLM 5/04/1766 Pittenweem
JOHN CHISHOLM/EUPHAMIA MORTIMER
No record for Elspet* Fra*er, father David, the only one I can see is below, which seems unlikely given the location and the marriage record unless it was wrong?
ELSPET FRASER 12/AUGUST/1772 NIGG ASSOCIATE
GEORGE FRASER (The name of their second son).
Colin
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I think Helen married a John Fyfe/Ffyfe 12 Jun. 1832 Dundee
Name Helen Chisholm Fyffe
Age 57
Birth Year abt 1811
Admission Date 24 Apr. 1868
Admission Place Dundee, Scotland
Admission Union Dundee Poorhouse
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1851Census
John Fyfe 40 Head
Ellen Fyfe 42 Wife born Dundee, forfarsh*
James Fyfe 17 Son
Charles Fyfe 13Son
Alexander Fyfe 11 Son
Andrew Fyfe 9 Son
John Fyfe 7 Son
Eliza 2 Daughter
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Helen Fife, other name Chisholm, did indeed die in Dundee in 1872, age said to be 61. It would be worth taking a look at that death certificate. I only looked for deaths plus or minus two years, and Helen was baptised in 1808 so would have been 64 or 65 in 1872 and wouldn't have shown up in my search.
I tried to have a look at the Dundee Howff burial records, which usually give a bit of extra information, for example, where the deceased was born if not in Dundee, but my antivirus went crazy and warned me not to proceed because its security certificate has expired, and Firefox would not let me access it at all.
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Aha! The FDCA web site is accessible again.
William Chisholm, 66, died of asthma and was buried in the Howff on 13 March 1833 (not 1831 according to the transcript of the burial record). He was born in Inverness.