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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: daza_1973 on Wednesday 19 May 10 20:22 BST (UK)
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Ive been tracking my gg grandfather back through the census's of wales with inconclusive results;-
1911 census - living with wife Mary and 4 children in Gyffin near Conwy
1901 census - living with wife Mary C and 2 children in Gyffin nr. conwy
Marriage cert. 1898 - states Robert owen marrying Mary Catherine Jones both living in gyffin - and listing his father as Daniel Owen a carpenter.
Jump back to 1871 wales census - Robert Owens living with parents Daniel (a joiner) and Lucy in gyffin
1861 wales census - again living with parents Daniel (a joiner)and Lucy Owens in gyffin.
Surely it is too much of a coincidence for them not to be the same robert ???
Any theories ????
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Hi
What is roberst dob and place of birth?
cheers cardiff ;)
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Hi,
between 1862-63 on most census's and place of birth is always
Gyffin, carnarvonshire.
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Hi
Robert Owen Birth
1st qtr 1862 Conway vol 11b page 531
less poss
Robert Pugh Owen 2nd Qtr 1862 Conway vol 11b page 525
cheers cardiff ???
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Okay,
Still struggling to find a Daniel Owen (carpenter) to go with Robert Owen?
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Hi
It looks to me you have the family 1871 and 1861 ok it states Joiner but is'nt a joiner a carpenter?
Or am I missing the point?
If you need ultamate proof you need Roberts birth certificate will give both parents name and address or place of birth. has you already have his fathers name thats a start!
cheers cardiff ???
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Thanks,
Yes a joiner is a carpenter (as I myself am one), but the whole crux of the problem is whether the name Owen and Owens could have been mixed up when the census was taken - do you think that a possiblity back then??
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Hi
Relooking at your info I realize its the mothers name 1861 is lucy but on marriage certificate is Mary Catherine. ???
Ok just trying to help :'(
cheers cardiff ???
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Yes, I was working backwards from 1911 - Mary Catherine Jones is Robert Owen's wife.
Lucy Roberts (i think) is Daniel Owens wife.
Looks like another certificate then :-\ - (ancestry.coms family tree's are down as well so I can't even cross check my info on them either)
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Marriage Jun 1846
North Wales BMD
Llanfairtalhaearn, St Mary , all on same page.
OWENS Daniel
HUGHES Thomas
JONES Catherine
ROBERTS Lucy
1851 HO107; Piece: 2507; Folio: 206; Page: 12
Bodran, Llanfair Talhaiarn
Daniel Owens 35 joiner b Eglwys-Fach, Denbighshire, Wales
Lucy Owens 30 wife b Llanfair Talhaiarn
William Owens 4 son b "
John Owens 3 Mo son b "
1861 RG9; Piece: 4357; Folio: 74; Page: 6;
Gyffin .Cymryd, Caernarvonshire
Daniel Owens 43 joiner b Llansantffraid, Denbighshire
Lucy Owens 40 b Llanfair Talhaiarn
William Owens 14
John Owens 8
Catherine Owens 9
Hannah Owens 6
1871 RG10; Piece: 5736; Folio: 54; Page: 1
Gyffin ,
Daniel Owens 55 b Caerhun, Denbighshire
Lucy Owens 50 b Gyfffin Caernarvon
John Owens 20 son b "
Hannah Owens 16 dau b "
Daniel Owens 12 b "
Robert Owens 9 b "
Enoch Owens 7 b"
Daniel Owens 2 b"
1881
Gyffin
Daniel Owens 63 joiner b Llansantffraid, Denbighshire
Lucy Owens 59
Daniel Owens 22
Robert Owens 19
Enock Owens 17
Not very consistent with places of birth, but it seems very likely to be the same family.
I expect the place names are all in the same area if you check
1841 Denbighshire Llansaintffraid Creuddyn
Daniel Owen 25 joiner Y
No other Owens living with him. ::)
1841 Llanfairtalhaiarn
Lucy Roberts 20 Female Servant Y
No other Roberts with her.
You will need the marriage fo find parents, but as you know the Church is St Mary, Llanfairtalhaearn, maybe someone can do a look up for you.
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Just run Robert Owen b.1862 +/- one year - in Wales(whole of) with father Daniel - through ancestry.com search engine and -
Robert Owens born Gyffin, Carnarvonshire - parents Daniel and Lucy Owens is the only result of the search -
Surely this must mean my relative ???
Sometimes this genealogy hobby really drives you up the wall ::)
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Eureka!!! - Just found Robert Owen on the 1891 census living in Gyffin with - Lucy Owen aged 68 (his widowed mother) which fits in with the 1822 ish date of her birth - so somewhere between 1871 and 1891 Owens became Owen ???
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1881 they are still Owens , see my modified post above.
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Another thing that help reinforce my hunch is the fact Gyffin in the late 19th centrury was quite a small area between south of Conwy - and even today it is still of modest size - so the possiblty of a familys of owen and owens living together with so much in common with names of children, occupation and D.O.B's seem very unlikely.
p.s Thanks for all the info from the above replies.