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we are searching for HERBERT DEXTER 2 AM RAF WW1 LACE MAKER 78165 served in Scotland 1917.
The only record we have reads as above and because Herbert states his occupation as Lace Maker we believe that he may be from Nottinghamshire .
All avenues to trace his Military number have drawn a blank as they were destroyed in the fires of 1940.
We trust that someone will identify our Herbert by his military service in WW1 .
regards
peter
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searching for our Grand Father and all we have found is brick walls. We really need help. Please.
The only reference we have is on Mums birth certificate which we bought from the Registrar in Edinborough.
Our Grand Father is:-
HERBERT DEXTER
Lace Worker
(2nd A M (R.A.F.)(78165))
and on September 12th 1918 he resided at
23 Water's Street
Leith Scotland.
that is all we know. There is no wedding certificate and Mum migrated to Australia in 1928 with our Grand Mother.
Until Mum passed away we had little interest in family history so can not ask any questions now.
Searches have been made through all obvious places like National Archives for his military information only to be told that they were destroyed in the fires of 1940.
it would seem that our Herbert must be recorded in a family history as he was a foundation member of the R.A.F and possibly drawn from an army regiment.
The prominent use of "Lace Worker" seemed important and may have some indication that he was involved with blimps.
There are some mention that manned balloons were launched from Scotland during WW1 to keep the German submarines underwater thus reducing their speed.
We are quite certain that Herbert would be a feature in the family tree of some family if only we can find who.
Your expert opinion and guidance would be really appreciated - even a clue as to where next.
Thanks for taking time to read our request for assistance.
regards
peter Australia
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Welcome to rootschat Peter.
You might be interested to know that the 1911 census for Scotland is due for release this year so at the very least you may be able to find Herbert on there. :)
Assuming she is deceased can you tell us your grandmother's first name and maiden name please?
Do you know Herbert's approximate year of birth?
Do you know if Herbert had any siblings, their names and approx years of birth?
Do you have an approximate year that your grandmother and Herbert may have married?
The answers to these questions may help locate him and the family in census and other records. :)
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Was Herbert born in Scotland? The reason I ask is that in the 1901 Scottish census there are no Herbert Dexters, however there are some in England ....
Was your grandmother born in Scotland or England?
Does your mother remember if Herbert had a Scottish accent?
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Hi Peter
Are you saying that your mothers birth certificate has no information about her parents possible marriage? Or is it worded in such a way to imply that her parents were not married? The reason I ask is that Scottish birth registrations I have, up to 1902, have the date and place of parents marriage, not always accurately mind you.
A check of the Scottish statutory births marriages and death indexes have nobody by the name of Herbert Dexter at all which suggests he was just stationed there.
Andy
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There are quite a few marriages for Herbert Dexter in England. Once you tell us your grandmother's maiden name we might be able to help further.
The Dexter surname is widely distributed around the Leicester area:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08pp/
PS. There still appears to be a Water(no 's') Street in Edinburgh today.
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There is Herbert DEXTER residing in Sherwin Street, Nottingham for the 1911 census. Could this be your man?
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It's a shame Peter has gone offline - he has SO many questions to answer. :)
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I found a Herbert Dexter in Nottingham in 1901- a lace worker aged 25(too old perhaps?)
Carol
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Welcome to Rootschat, Peter. I've merged your two posts about Herbert Dexter and kept them on the beginners board since there isn't yet any indication that Herbert had any Nottingham connection- lacemaking, as an occupation, was not connfinded to that county.
There've been lots of questions here so I'll sumarise them and hopefull if you are able to answer all or any of them we might be able to help you find more information about Herbert or suggest where you can check next.
Assuming she is deceased can you tell us your grandmother's first name and maiden name please?
Do you know Herbert's approximate year of birth? Was Herbert born in Scotland?
Do you know if Herbert had any siblings, their names and approx years of birth?
Do you have an approximate year that your grandmother and Herbert may have married? Was your grandmother born in Scotland or England?
Does you mother's birth certificate list date and place of parents' marriage- or were her parents not married at the time?
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thanks very much for all the help.
Mum is dead and so is my Grand Mother.
Her name was Euphemia Davidson Baird and she was married to John Redpath Baird .
John was a member of the 13 Battalion Royal Scots ( Tranent Division) and he died for us at the Battle of Loos France 1916.
Grand Mother did not marry Herbert as far as we can find out and Mum was named MARION DEXTER BAIRD.
we were unaware of this until we got Mums birth certificate #798 on 21/1/2010 and have searched ever since
regards
peter
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Hi again Peter.
I'm a bit confused. Can you please clarify?
Your mum was Marion Dexter Baird.
Her parents were Euphemia Davidson Baird and John Redpath Baird?
(Euphemia sounds like a nice Scottish name ;) - what was her maiden name?)
I thought Herbert was your grandfather. :-\ Are you saying that Euphemia was married firstly to John who died in 1916, then she got together with Herbert - they did not marry but they had your mum Marion?
You say you have been unable to find a marriage for Herbert and Euphemia. Have you looked in England or just Scotland?
I think there are a few questions that you still haven't answered, so if you could do that it might help us find out more about your family. :)
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Peter
There is a private tree on Ancestry that mentions Marion Dexter Baird be 1918, Leith.
Is that your mum?
Annie
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Peter, do you have your grandmother's Australian death certificate? If so, what are her parent's names.
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I can see their passage in 1928 to Oz....they left Liverpool bound for Melbourne on 15th Sept 1928.
The family consisted of...
Euphemia BAIRD housewife 38
James 15
Margaret 14
Marion 10
Carol
Added-- the ship was the THEMISTOCLES .
The address they left was in East Lothian,but I can't read the place name :(
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That's interesting Carol. So it looks like James and Margaret are children of Euphemia and John and Marion is the child of Euphemia and Herbert Dexter?
It's all becoming a bit clearer....
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Mmmm yes I suppose they are Ruskie- datewise that would fit ;D
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Peter, I take it you haven't found a death for Herbert?
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I can see their passage in 1928 to Oz....they left Liverpool bound for Melbourne on 15th Sept 1928.
The address they left was in East Lothian,but I can't read the place name :(
Oh, that's a shame. Are you able to post the image for us to try to decipher? :-\ (Not that it will probably help in the search for Herbert ...)
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G'day Carol could you copy me with the passage details
regards
peter
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have found nothing on Herbert at all - that is what i am looking for.
Death certificate of Mum is not correct.
regards
peter
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Peter
Can you answer the questions, please, that we have asked you.
Annie
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Peter
Can you answer the questions, please, that we have asked you.
Annie
It's fine if you don't know all the answers to all the questions, but if there are some you can answer it might help us to help you. ;) Just tell us if you don't know. :)
For example, I have the 1901 Scottish census here and I would like to try to find Euphemia on it, however I'm still not sure what her maiden name is ...
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If we draw a blank with Herbert, might be worth Peter posting a new thread on the Armed Forces board specifically looking for further information about Herbert? If, as Peter says, Herbert was a foundation member of the RAF, then there must be some record of him somewhere, and hunting him down may require specialist knowledge.
What do you think aghadowey?
(Of course Peter should provide a link to this thread so anyone who wishes to help can see what has been found so far and get a bit of background behind the reason for the search.)
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Oh, that's a shame. Are you able to post the image for us to try to decipher? :-\ (Not that it will probably help in the search for Herbert ...)
I've never been able to work out how to save a Lizardtech(DjVu) document.
The only thing I am able to do is to print the page and then scan it.
But one of the inks has run out on my printer and as a result the whole damn thing won't work >:( All colours ordered but only 3 of the 4 have arrived!
I need my technie 30 year old son to arrive and show me how to save differently.
The address is 19 Church Street,and a place name of something like Tranent? East Lothian.
Carol
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I wonder if Herbert was already married?
Have you searched for Herbert under the name Bert?
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Oh, that's a shame. Are you able to post the image for us to try to decipher? :-\ (Not that it will probably help in the search for Herbert ...)
I've never been able to work out how to save a Lizardtech(DjVu) document.
The only thing I am able to do is to print the page and then scan it.
But one of the inks has run out on my printer and as a result the whole damn thing won't work >:( All colours ordered but only 3 of the 4 have arrived!
I need my technie 30 year old son to arrive and show me how to save differently.
The address is 19 Church Street,and a place name of something like Tranent? East Lothian.
Carol
Oh in that case I think it'd be best put into the 'too hard basket'. I'll have a poke around and see if I can find any likely places.
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Right Carol - there is a place called Tranent in East Lothian. ;D
And I just looked up Church Street on google maps .... :)
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First of all, you are only allowed to post a small portion of the document for deciphering purposes.
If a thread is started looking for military information on the Armed Forces board please make sure it is linked to this one to avoid duplication of effort for those helping (if you are not sure how to do it just let me know).
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Right Carol - there is a place called Tranent in East Lothian. ;D
Oh blimey Ruskie- then that's what it probably says ;D
Just looking at the Aussie electoral rolls and have found Euphemia in Flinders,Ferntree Gully up to 1942.
Not that it helps us one jot with Herbert :P
Carol
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I think I have the right John Baird in 1901 too...in Tranent ;D
With wife Marion,whom grandaughter was probably named after.
John Baird 26 Railway Surfaceman
Marion Baird 34
David Baird 4
Was rather hoping that Herbert might be nearby- if Euphemia met up with him c 1915 ish or before I wonder if that would have been in Scotland?
Carol
Ahhh I think I might have gone dooolally here - John should have been married to Euphemia shouldn't he- so is this him and his first wife died? Or is this the wrong person?
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Just looking at the Aussie electoral rolls and have found Euphemia in Flinders,Ferntree Gully up to 1942.
Not that it helps us one jot with Herbert :P
Carol
No but it's a good find.
I'm not sure if Peter wants help finding Euphemia's family, or if he already has her history sorted. :-\
I get the impression it's Herbert who is the priority at the moment. It looks like Marion may be the result of a liason of some sort perhaps while Herbert was in Scotland for military purposes. So we're kindof back where we started which is why I wondered if the search for Herbert may yield better results on the Armed Forces board.
Peter was probably right trying to trace him via army records. (thanks for the reply aghadowey ;))
What we really need is some hint of his dob and where he came from. :-\
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Euphemia made the trip back to Tranent in January 1959 her DOB is given as 27th Sept 1889.
She travelled from Sydney to London arriving here on 1st Jan 1959.
Will contact you off list Peter with that info incase you don't have it.
Carol
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I think I have the right John Baird in 1901 too...in Tranent ;D
With wife Marion,whom grandaughter was probably named after.
John Baird 26 Railway Surfaceman
Marion Baird 34
David Baird 4
Was rather hoping that Herbert might be nearby- if Euphemia met up with him c 1915 ish or before I wonder if that would have been in Scotland?
Carol
Ahhh I think I might have gone dooolally here - John should have been married to Euphemia shouldn't he- so is this him and his first wife died? Or is this the wrong person?
Interesting find. It looks like it should be the right family - the name Marion should clinch it, but yes, Euphemia was married to John Baird. I still think this family must be related somehow.
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Euphemia made the trip back to Tranent in January 1959 her DOB is given as 27th Sept 1889.
She travelled from Sydney to London arriving here on 1st Jan 1959.
Will contact you off list Peter with that info incase you don't have it.
Carol
Oooh, how exciting! ;D
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I have only been able to find this one but he was born yorkshire note the spelling
Hubert Dexter born 18 2 1889 at Wombwell Yorkshire
mother Emma Dexter
no father listed
there was lace makers in Wombwell
Audrey
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A John Redpath BAIRD married a Euphemia someone ;D in 1911 in Scotland.
I discovered this by trial and error but don't have any credits to look up the full info or her surname.
There are no marriages of a Euphemia Baird.
Carol
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Wonder if Euphemia's maiden name was Davidson?
"Her name was Euphemia Davidson Baird and she was married to John Redpath Baird ."
Do Scottish marriage certificates for that date not list age of groom? It might help find or eliminate the various records for Herbert Dexter that have been found.
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Wonder if Euphemia's maiden name was Davidson?
"Her name was Euphemia Davidson Baird and she was married to John Redpath Baird ."
No sadly not Aghadowey- I've tried both Davidson and Davison and neither produce a result.
Sounds like that was probably her original middle name and her mum's maiden name
Oh well we'll just have to wait for Australia to wake up now ;D
Carol
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Wonder if Euphemia's maiden name was Davidson?
"Her name was Euphemia Davidson Baird and she was married to John Redpath Baird ."
No sadly not Aghadowey- I've tried both Davidson and Davison and neither produce a result.
Sounds like that was probably her original middle name and her mum's maiden name
Oh well we'll just have to wait for Australia to wake up now ;D
Carol
Australia is awake Carol! ;)
I asked Peter about Euphemia's maiden surname yesterday but as yet, no answer to that question.
Unfortunately I don't have any SP credits either or I'd look this one up - curiosity is getting the better of me.
I hope Peter will be back online soon. :-\
PS> Audrey, I couldn't see that Hubert Dexter on the 1901 census - I wonder if he died young? :-\
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Glad you're awake Ruskie- It's 11pm here and I'm just on my way to bed.
Dau in law due to have a baby any day now,so need my beauty sleep incase we're called out to babysit the other two ;D
Catch you later,
Carol
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ooh how exciting - yes you must get your beauty sleep. ;)
Lets hope there are some good finds about this family while you are in the land of nod. ;)
Peter, do you know the owner of that private tree on Ancestry which includes your mother? If not I think that needs investigation too.
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Hi everyone,
I saw there was a Scottish connection so thought I would lend a hand. ;)
It would appear that John Redpath Baird married Euphemia Davidson Smith in 1911 in Tranent, East Lothian. However, I assume Peter has these details (perhaps not though) and it's Herbert, his grandfather, he is looking for.
There are no births/marriages/deaths in Scotland for a Herbert Dexter so it would appear (perhaps obviously ;D) that he was English or born elsewhere. It may be worth trying for a birth in England around the same period as Euphemia (1889 as per Scottish records) and following him through the census, hopefully one will enter the lace trade and be the right man.
hume :)
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Oh you're a star hume. ;D
Thanks so much for that information and the advice.
I'm sure you're right about Herbert being English and I'm going to go ahead and search the census now. I did have a look yesterday (and there are some) but was hoping that Peter may be able to give us some more clues to narrow down the search a little. ;)
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I had a look at the 1901 census for Herbert Dexter born 1889 +/- 20 years! There are only 15 of them. Obviously some are too young to have an occupation, so I looked at their father's occupations and none bore any resemblance to lace working. Not that this means anything, but it's all I could think to do with nothing else to go on. ;)
Anyhow the only one remotely connected to anything like lace making was the one Carol already found and I suspect it's the same one in the 1911 that Bilge found. By the way Bilge - was that 1911 Herbert Dexter married?.
Here he is anyway:
1901
23 Stratton(?) St
Nottingham
RG13/3173/187/29
(all born Nottingham)
Sarah Y or J Dexter head wid 58
Thomas son single 32 hosiery warehouseman
William H son single 28 do
Herbert son s 25 lace do (so lace warehouseman? not exactly a maker :-\)
Annie E daur 19 hosiery machinist
Ada daur15 shirt maker
Herbert son single 25 lace
We really need to get an idea of the year of birth of Peter's Herbert Dexter.
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I found the same family in 1891 (RG12/2697/62/15).
Father is Thomas, a machine fitter. Herbert is 15 and a warehouseman. :-\ I think we really need to see what his occupation is in 1911.
Peter, it might be worth buying some credits so you can see if this Herbert is a lace maker in 1911.
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is there any way that this Herbert's military record could be checked . did he serve in Scotland in 1917/18
would think that English people would have been aware if their ancestors were in WW1 and note same in their ancestry.
Do towns in England have rolls to record men from the town who served at war .
regards
peter
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I had a fiddle with the 1911 and found the same Herbert as above born around 1876.
I added occupation lace* and got only one hit. There are no hits if I change the occupation to "lacemaker" or "lace maker". :-\
It also looks like he is still living with siblings Ada, Annie and Thomas and mother Sarah, but there may be other people in the household as well.
I also searched by name only, with occupation as lace maker and lacemaker - but got no hits, and lace* got just the one hit as above.
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Peter if you read back through the post I have suggested that you post a specific request on the Armed Forces board to search for Herbert. One of the experts there may be better able to help with your military questions.
If you go ahead and do this, please post a link to this thread so everyone knows what has already been searched. (to do this simply copy the address bar on this thread and paste into your new thread).
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I see you already had some of this information:
(found on another site)
believe he lived at 32 Sherwin Street Nottingham at time of 1911 Census. he was 35 and single. believe that he joined the R.A.F in W.W.1 and was stationed in Scotland and in 1919 billeted at 23 Water's Street Leith. would love any information at all as he was our grandfather. the only information we have is on a birth certificate stating him to be a lace worker and 2AM in the RAF no 78165 but he is not listed at all in the military that we can find so we are putting our trust in you. the census shows that he had a brother and two sisters - all single and all involved in the garment industry. head of the family was his Mum Jane a widow. please help regards peter
But I think the widowed mother is Sarah ... ;D And he had 2 brothers and 2 sisters. ;D
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And from the Great War Forum:
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=145070
Have you followed up the advice given here Peter?
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Hi
Looking at the medal card for H J G DEXTER Royal Flying Corp, there is nothing to connect him to your Herbert with certainty. Checking on births in England & Wales the only H J G Dexter I could find was Harry James G DEXTER born Oxford Reg Dist Sept Qtr 1898 a bit young for being in France in 1915 but not impossible.
Peter, I think you need to follow up the advice on the Great War Forum from Sotonmate in that his service sheet (for 78165) should be in AIR79/710 at The National Archives Kew, this covers serial numbers 78151 to 78289.
The Military Service Records that were destroyed during the blitz in WW2 were Army records for ordinary soldiers.
Whilst it is possible that the person at 32 Sherwin St Nottingham in the 1911 census is your Herbert you do need to get further information and that might be found at Kew.
Andy
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Have you checked to see if Herbert was killed during the war? That might explain Euphemia running off to Australia ...
If the Nottinghamshire Herbert, who was single, is the right Herbert, I wonder why he and Euphemia didn't marry. Isn't it the case that if a couple is unmarried and registering a birth then the father has to be present? If Herbert is named as Marion's father he must have acknowledged the fact and you would think he would have done the "decent thing" ;) ;D. :-\
Carol, when you wake up, can you check to see if there is any record of Herbert going to Australia?
I also would be interested to find out why after such a long time away, that an elderly Euphemia came back to Scotland in 1959. Did she die in Scotland?
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Looking at the medal card for H J G DEXTER Royal Flying Corp, there is nothing to connect him to your Herbert with certainty. Checking on births in England & Wales the only H J G Dexter I could find was Harry James G DEXTER born Oxford Reg Dist Sept Qtr 1898
Andy
I looked for a Herbert Dexter birth but couldn't find any with middle initials anything like JG so I think you've probably got the right chap there Andy. ;)
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Our Nanna returned to Scotland to visit family and she returned to Australia and died at Brighton in 1966.
i have followed every lead from the War site and all drew a blank. it seems that the military numbers are not unique and many servicemen in WW! had 78165.
i really expect that the choice to marry or not was theirs and that is the least of my interest.
we must remember that in those days children out of wedlock were not always accepted by families and as well not all Scottish families would like an English relative.
The people we are dealing with were coal miners and i expect very old world and tough.
Nana bought her children to Australia and reared them to be wonderful people who all contributed to the Australia that i love and for that reason i disregard the suggestion that she ran off to Australia - she migrated for her belief that the children would be better off here.
Nana never remarried in Australia
thanks again for all your assistance.
regards
peter
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have followed every lead from the War site and all drew a blank. it seems that the military numbers are not unique and many servicemen in WW! had 78165
Hi Peter
The WW1 Service Records online on Ancestry are only Army ordinary ranks so wouldn't necessarily include RAF unless possibly he served in the army first. Also, I don't think he would be on the Medal Roll if he didn't serve overseas but you would need to check that out.
Have you specifically checked out the AIR79/710 records at Kew?
Andy
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i really expect that the choice to marry or not was theirs and that is the least of my interest.
we must remember that in those days children out of wedlock were not always accepted by families and as well not all Scottish families would like an English relative.
The people we are dealing with were coal miners and i expect very old world and tough.
Nana bought her children to Australia and reared them to be wonderful people who all contributed to the Australia that i love and for that reason i disregard the suggestion that she ran off to Australia - she migrated for her belief that the children would be better off here.
peter
Well I'm sure you're right and you're very fortunate to have such a wonderful family.
(I'm just glad I didn't suggest that he might have been "a bit of a lad" or I might have got shot down in flames. ;D)
Many of us have coal mining ancestors and saying they are "old world and tough" is a bit of a sweeping statement - haven't you seen the film Billy Elliot?.
You might need to consider that maybe some of Herbert's details are not as they have been told or recalled through family stories and you may need to cast the net wider - look for someone with Herbert as a middle name for example.
Good luck with the search.
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Hume
Thanks so much for putting us out of our misery with that marriage look up.
Although I suspect Peter actually knew this info ;)
But of course for us seasoned genealogists who know that every bit of info is useful to get the whole picture and can sometimes lead to the final piece in the jigsaw ;D
Yes Ruskie that IS the Herbert I found in 1901.But without finding every Herbert Dexter and following them through I'm afraid that you may never find the right one Peter. There must be hundreds(nay thousands) or people out there who are not 100% certain of who their grandad was :o
Carol
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PS- you lot have been busy whilst I was asleep ;)
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Dear Ruskie.
i was just trying to convey that people then may not have been so accepting as we are now.
i am quite sure that if your daughter produced a child two years after her husband and your kin died may be more one of understanding than may have happened in 1918.
i did not want to in any way sound smart but wanted to reassure you that our Nana was not promiscuous to the best of our knowledge but just a hard working woman who brought up three children on her own in a far distant land - that's all.
i have checked every lead that i have received and to date not one is our Herbert.
Fully realise that many do not know their grandparents - we fortunately do know ours but would just like to try and find him.
Here in Australia most towns compiled lists of the men and women from their towns served at WW1
i do not know if these are listed in any way but i ask is the same a custom in England and if so is there a register of those names
regards
peter
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Peter I was in no way casting aspertions on your grandmother. I simply thought she may have had a bad experience and decided to leave it all behind and start a new life. I wondered if Herbert may have done the wrong thing by her. Or perhaps not. Hence my question about whether he may have been a casualty of war.
And I realise that times are different now, but illegitimacy wasn't a rare occurrence in the past and I'm sure many were quite accepting of it. Many of us have no idea what our ancestor's beliefs were.
There are memorials in UK towns and villages, though we would need to know which town or village to look in. I'm not sure if there are memorials for those who served, or just those who died. Someone else may have more knowledge about this. I don't believe there is a central register of such names.
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You must have had an amazing grandmother Peter.
My family emigrated when I was 5 and I have 2 older siblings. My mum and dad and family flew here, but somehow my mother never got over it and was always pining for "home".
I think it was the best thing that ever happened to us. Love England but the opportunities I've had out here far outway what my cousins in England got.
To do it by herself with 3 young children - amazing. Its women like her that this nation is built on.
What did she do for a living when she got here?
Cheers Ted
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Is it possible that Herbert was Canadian?
I haven't checked this information out having just found it.
Returning to Canada on the Minnedosa from the Canadian Discharge Depot in Buxton, Derbyshire, England. Amoung the many soldiers is a:
Pte. Herbert Dexter Number 654029 Batt. CFC Orig. Unit 117 Co. Cat. B2 Group 7
Religion Methodist, Residence Blyth Next of Kin: Wife.
Date: May 20, 1919
Blyth is apparently in Southern Ontario.
OR .... possible AND
Empress of France
Quebec to Liverpool
September 10, 1921
Herbert Dexter age 45 Country of Last Permanent Residence: England
Proposed Residence in England: 14 Pullman Road, Nottingham
Occupation: Lace Business
No Nationality given.
Hope this helps. I will keep looking.
dollylee
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well maybe in 1918 people were tolerant .
My family is Roman Catholic and could not accept me marring outside the church in 1962.
Nana worked as a cleaner and worked in and around Footscray.
Is there a Military Services Club where service men registered for social activities.
I have sent an email to Nottinghamshire Council to see if they are aware of a list of men from the townships of the shire who served in WW1.
That man in Nottingham looks good if only
regards
peter
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Found the Attestation Papers for the soldier in my post above: Herbert Manson Dexter Number 654029.
Residence: Blyth, Ontario
Birth Place: Hullett Tp. Ontario, Canada
Married: No
NOK: Mother Emma Jane Dexter
Birth: August 20, 1890
Occupation: Laborer
Papers dated: December 28, 1915
I think the other fellow heading to Nottingham is a better bet.
dollylee
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WOW Dollylee that is fantastic- let's hope it leads to something for Peter,I'm sure he will be very grateful for any suggestions he can follow up.
Carol
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Could someone else check out the Herbert living in Nottingham North, District 9 on the 1901 England Census please. I think it says his occupation is Lace Warehouse (?) worker. His mother Syliva is shown as a Hosiery Warehouse (?) worker.
I think we may have him Peter.
dollylee
**** I do realize this is the same Herbert found by others but he looks really good
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just discovered a site which you people will understand better than me .
could assist in future and maybe find my Dexter
www.eyfhs.org.uk
i understood Air 79 and have checked that out but no luck. the other sites mentioned are difficult for a dill like me to understand .
if you had time could you take a peep
regards
peter
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The only mention I could find for Yorkshire on this thread was a record for a Hubert Dexter-
I have only been able to find this one but he was born yorkshire note the spelling
Hubert Dexter born 18 2 1889 at Wombwell Yorkshire
mother Emma Dexter
no father listed
Is there some particular reason you thought the East Yorkshire website would be helpful, Peter?
just discovered a site which you people will understand better than me .
could assist in future and maybe find my Dexter
www.eyfhs.org.uk
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I had a look at the 1901 census for Herbert Dexter born 1889 +/- 20 years! There are only 15 of them. Obviously some are too young to have an occupation, so I looked at their father's occupations and none bore any resemblance to lace working. Not that this means anything, but it's all I could think to do with nothing else to go on. ;)
Anyhow the only one remotely connected to anything like lace making was the one Carol already found and I suspect it's the same one in the 1911 that Bilge found. By the way Bilge - was that 1911 Herbert Dexter married?.
Here he is anyway:
1901
23 Stratton(?) St
Nottingham
RG13/3173/187/29
(all born Nottingham)
Sarah Y or J Dexter head wid 58
Thomas son single 32 hosiery warehouseman
William H son single 28 do
Herbert son s 25 lace do (so lace warehouseman? not exactly a maker :-\)
Annie E daur 19 hosiery machinist
Ada daur15 shirt maker
Herbert son single 25 lace
We really need to get an idea of the year of birth of Peter's Herbert Dexter.
Dolly I think you'll find the Nottingham one is this one that Ruskie typed up earlier today ;)
Carol
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that east yorkshire site is interested in RFC and RAF personnel that's all .
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Not sure where that information is on the site but it's likely that they might only be interested in local servicemen.
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Possible death:
Herbert Dexter, age 59, Nottingham Mar Q 1935 vol 7b age 467
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Possible death:
Herbert Dexter, age 59, Nottingham Mar Q 1935 vol 7b age 467
AGE 467 :o
Good find Hiraeth ;D
Carol
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that sounds really good.
what newspaper would usually cover deaths in Nottingham there may be a reference to his military service.
thanks for all the help
thanks for teaching me a lot
regards
peter
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Just to add a few more bits of data to the discussion;
H DEXTER # 78,156 enlisted in the RFC on 01/01/17 -- From a copy of RAF muster roll on Asplin military pages.
The birth of Marion Nelson S(mith?) DEXTER is indexed on Scotlands People for Leith South, in 1918
Herbert DEXTER lace warehouseman in NTT in 1911, is 35 yo. Is it likely that he would enlist in the RAF in 1917? There are two younger Herberts both in LIN in 1911 (Grantham and Louth born 1897 and 1892 respectively) who might be better fits.
Rick
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G'day everybody - hope you all had a nice Easter.
I am still looking for Herbert Dexter with no further luck. Was thinking that one day someone would do a tree on the Dexter family and Herbert would feature as he was in the RFC then RAF and as a silk worker thought he may have been involved with those brave people on balloons keeping the subs under water - I watch to much television.
If you come across any more info please keep me in mind
Kind regards
peter
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Find MY Past has the record of an H Dexter service number 78165 enlisting on 1/1/1917.
This is from a printed Royal Air Force Muster Roll.
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Thanks for that - so that is why i believed his name to be Herbert Dexter.
The Birth certificate of our Mum shows him as Herbert Dexter with his military number and that he was a Lace Worker but Gerry states
" I believe that this 1911 Census identifies the " Herbert Dexter" who is Marion Dexter's father"
George Herbert Dexter and then says that George may later have given his occupation a more masculine tweak - from Ladies Mantle Cutter to Lace Maker.
I have asked Gerry how he arrived at this but he has not replied
In just a few hours he has constructed a wonderful story for which I am thankful but just a little unsure because one of Mum's birth names " Nelson" is missing from all the ancestors that Gerry has detailed.
I have poster my thanks and these questions to Gerry on the site but they keep vanishing
kind regards
peter