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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: lyn luggo on Monday 17 May 10 06:11 BST (UK)
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I am researching the family of John and Mary Pearson (nee Deavis) who lived at Penrith, Askham, Westmoreland. I believe this area is very close to Cumberland, where some of the family worked. Seven of their children, Thomas, John, Matthew, Richard, Robert, Sarah (m. James William Lugsdin in Australia 1869) and Jane (married Thomas Fletcher) all emigrated to Victoria, Australia c. 1860 - 1870.
A number of siblings remained at home, including one other son James, and daughters Margaret Mary and Barbara. Barbara married a Taylor.
I would like to check the years and birth dates that the known siblings were born, and if there were any others. My list is as follows: Thomas 1827, Margaret 1829, John 1831, Matthew 1833, Mary 1835, James and Richard (1837 - did this James die as a baby?) Barbara 1839, Robert 1842, William 1845, Sarah 1847, James 1850 and Jane 1852.
I would also love to find out more details about the siblings who remained at home, who they married and who their families were? There may have been illegitimate children.
We have some family information, but conflicting details particularly in relation to Mary. Was there a sister Mary, who lived to old age? Our information is that the Mary on our list died as a baby in 1835. Some Australian relatives visited in 1928 and we have photos of Fannie (daughter of James) Nellie and Pollie Pearson. Also Aunt Mary who was quite elderly at that time and had a likeness to Sarah and Jane.
There is a Lacklison (Lackliason) relationship. We cant work out who Aunt Mary is, nor who Nellie or Pollie belong to.
Can anyone help me please?
Lyn
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Having looked at the 1841, 51, and 61 censuses - you have these?- there is a Mary age 7 GRANDDAUGHTER age 7 living with John 60, Mary 51, Sarah 13, James 11 and Jane 9.
Could this be the mystery Mary?
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Poor Margaret had her hands full.
1871 RG10/5275/42/10
Whitby Stead Askham
John Pearson 72 gardener born Great Strickland Westmoreland
Mary 68 Askham
Margaret dau. 36 Askham
Richard Pearson 70 boarder b Penrith Cumberland
John Davis 92 boarder annuitant b Brough Westmoreland
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1871 RG10/539/22/11
Lowside Quarter Cumberland
Low Mill House
Thomas Clark teacher of day and Boarders
Lucy sister
Edward Brother
many pupils and
Mary Pearson 18 housemaid born Askham Westmorland.
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1881 RG11/5181/35/35
Dearham Cumberland
Craiks Road Grocer's shop
James Lacklison 34 Grocer b Loweswater Cumberland
Mary wife 27 b Askham Westmorland
John P son 1 b Maryport Cumberland.
Well we know this is Mary, granddaughter of John and Mary but who are her parents?
This birth certificate would tell you. From FreeBMD
Mary Pearson Sept 1/4 1853 W. Ward vol 10b page 478
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Barbara's turn to look after the grandparents
1861 RG9/3958/38/1
High St Askham
John Davies head 82 general labourer Appleby Westmorland
Barbara wife 86 Thelkeld Cumberland
Barbara granddaughter 21 house servant Asham Westmorland
Barbara's marriage to William Taylor
1870 Dec 1/4 West Ward vol 10b page 1075
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thank you very much Crisane for your prompt replies.
I dont have any of the censuses and would really like to know who was in the household at each of the 1841 and 51 censuses.
Granddaughter Mary aged 7 in 1861 fits with age if Mary who married James Lacklison is one and the same. The relatives who visited in 1929 were daughters of Sarah, born 1847, and Mary should have been their cousin, but the photo of "Aunt" Mary Lacklison in 1929 is that of a very elderly lady, about 80 give or take, who they said looked very like Mother and Aunt Fletcher (Jane) I am feeling that this is our Mary, as some research from some unknown relatives have indicated that this Mary was the illegitimate daughter of Margaret. This fact may have been kept secret from Sarah's family and they may have been told she was an Aunt? She was much the same age as Sarah and Jane.
Did this James and Mary Lacklison have any more children apart from John P who was 1 in 1881. I am looking for a Pollie in particular.
From your information, in 1861, Barbara was living with the grandparents (or could she be visiting on that night?) She marries William Taylor in 1870
Rumour from unknown relatives research also has it that Barbara had an illegitimate daughter Sarah born 3.2.1865, five years before her marriage. This means there were 2 Sarahs, our Sarah emigrated in 1964, aged 16 with her brother William aged 18. Who was included in the household of Barbara and husband William Taylor in 1871 - was Sarah there?
1871 census, unmarried Margaret is looking after her parents, possible Uncle and grandfather who was a boarder annuitant. Wondering what that is? (Margaret Pearson was buried at Askham with her parents in 1901 aged 75 years, presumably never married - mother Mary died in 1874 and father James in 1875.) Was Mary the mother, wife of John, a Deavis or Davis? I have seen it both ways, but Deavis seemed to be the most favoured in Aus.
The youngest son James married supposedly in 1882 possibly to an Annie Kitchen. We know he definately died in 1919 and children we know of were Fannie, James (went to America but came home to fight in the British army in WW1 then went back again) ) Robert (in the British Army and in Germany in 1919) and a possible Mamie. Would like to know if there were any others, maybe a Nellie? A letter niece Fannie wrote to Sarah in Australia informing her of James death indicated she had been working for a Mr and Mrs Skelton but she had to stay home now and look after Mother and Mamie, who was very unwell, and very young. She sent thanks from Cousin Sarah for a gift. It would seem that this Sarah may be the child of Barbara? she also said that Aunt Mary and Pollie were coming to visit for the summer.
Lots of questions, and heres hoping you may be able to throw some more light on this family for me. Thanks again.
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Was just going to post this when I saw your post. This may be a little bit of evidence re Mary being Margaret's daughter.
1891 census RG12/4310/20/34
Dearham Cumberland
Maryport Road
James Lacklinson 45 (spelling as on original image) 45 grocer b Lowswater Cumb
Mary 35 b Askham
John P son 11
Robinson son 9
Mary 4
James 1
All children born Dearham
Margaret Pearson 62 Visitor born Askham
marriage for Mary Pearson and James Lacklison Sept 1/4 1878 W. Ward vol 10b page 831
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yes, age of Margaret fits. Was she on the 1901 census - she died 9.11.1901, so presumably the census was before that, or was it end of year?
also after posting realised I made a typo with the year Sarah emigrated, 1864, not 1964, but you would have realised my madness!
And, the birth certificate of Mary that you talked about, how would I do that? I am very new to this site and to British research. I know its not the same as Victoria and NSW in Australia.
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I'm not sure if Mary's baptism has been mentioned or not ... http://tinyurl.com/3x43gnn
It seems to confirm what has been suggested :)
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This is where you order certificates. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
Do double check that the spelling of names and the vol and page numbers I gave you are correct. Do that here http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
using the spellings they use.
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Here's Barbara and her older husband William Taylor with his children from his first marriage I would say and Sarah possibly Barbara's illegitimate daughter? her birth place Askham which ties in with Barbara.
1871 RG10/5203/46/6
Newbiggin
Cottage House
William taylor 50 Mason b Asby Cumb
Barbra 31 wife b Askham
Thomas son b Askby
Mary A dau born asby
Sarah Taylor 6 b Askham
Mary Pearson 62 Gardener's wife b Askham.
I am going to have to leave this for tonight.
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I'm not sure if Mary's baptism has been mentioned or not ... http://tinyurl.com/3x43gnn
It seems to confirm what has been suggested :)
Thanks for that Geoff. Certainly sorts that one out.
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Thanks Geoff-E - yes it would appear that this is correct and that Mary born 1853 is daughter of Margaret, and unless there is a missing Mary from the list of children of John and Mary Pearson, then this is "Aunt" Mary, or should I say Cousin Mary! (How do I do a smiley face!!)
Any proof that Sarah born February 1865 is the daughter of Barbara? Story goes that her name was Sarah Taylor in 1882 when she was a witness to James Pearson's marriage (uncle)
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thanks crisane - very helpful
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1881 RG11/5143/78/9
Newbiggin and Great Blencowe Cumberland
William Taylor 60 b Westmorland
Barbra 42 b WestMland
Mable 9
Jane 8
Jarard 6
Ada 3
All children born Cumberland no place names given. Spellings as on image.
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1891 RG12/4276/107/9
Dacre Newbiggin Cumberland
William Taylor 70 Waller b Gt Asby Westmorland
Barbra wife 52 Askham
John P 8 son b Newbiggin Cumb
So all the children from the 1881 have flown the nest.
That's it from me for tonight, back tomorrow.
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One more :)
1901 RG13/4854/71/37
Penrith St Andrew Northumberland
Newlands Terrace Yard
Barbra Taylor 62 living on own means b Askham
Jane 28 dau b Stainton Cumb
Ada dau 23 b Stainton
Ethel granddaughter 8 n Newbiggin
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Any proof that Sarah born February 1865 is the daughter of Barbara?
This one? http://tinyurl.com/2uk42vf
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Back to the beginning of censuses
1841 HO107 piece 1162 folio 5 page 3 Book 1
Askham Westmorland
John Pearson 40 Weaver Born in County Yes
Mary 30
John 9
Matthew 7
Richard 4
Barbara 1
All born in County. Adult ages in the 1841 census were rounded down to the nearet 5.
On the previous page is a Thomas Pearson 14 male servant with others possibly in the household of John Mounsey butcher.
1851 HO107/2440/230/17
Askham
John Pearson 52 gardener born Great Strickland Westmorland
Mary 43
Margaret 21 servant
Barbara 11
Robert 9
William 6
Sarah 3
James 1
Mum and children born Askham
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1861 RG09/3962/43/12
Askham
John Pearson 60 gardener born Morland Westmorland
Mary wife 51 gardener's wife
Sarah 13 gardener's daughter
James 11 scholar
Jane 9 scholar
Mary 7 granddaughter scholar boarder
Mary and children born Askham
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One more :)
1901 RG13/4854/71/37
Penrith St Andrew Northumberland
Newlands Terrace Yard
Barbra taylor 62 living on own means b Askham
Jane 28 dau b Stainton Cumb
Jane dau 23 b Stainton
Ethel granddaughter 8 n Newbiggin
I thought you were calling it a night!
I see 2 Janes here, is it possibly Ada who is 23?
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Sarah Pearson on 1881 census (dont know where I got it!) 16 yrs old - est birth abt 1865 Askham Westmoreland. Servant at 35 Casatlegate Railway Hotel - Burns Household.
This seems to be the same Sarah we are looking at? John and Mary had died by this stage, 1874 and 1875.
Where was she in 1891, 1901, 1911 and 1921?
Did she marry - I am thinking not, and that she could have been in or near the James Pearson household in 1919, as she sent thanks via Fannie for a gift from Aunt Sarah in Aus.
Looks like we have Barbara sorted out?
Also 1841 and 1851 censuses tally with my list, Thomas would have left the household by 1841 and I know Thomas was definately an older son - first on my list.
Any possibility there was a twin James to Richard, born c. 1837. Richard is 4 on the 1841 census, and we have listed a James in the same year. Possible died at birth?
I would like to follow James and his family also "Aunt" Mary and Sarah if possible.
Many thanks, great help to me.
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One more :)
1901 RG13/4854/71/37
Penrith St Andrew Northumberland
Newlands Terrace Yard
Barbra taylor 62 living on own means b Askham
Jane 28 dau b Stainton Cumb
Jane dau 23 b Stainton
Ethel granddaughter 8 n Newbiggin
I thought you were calling it a night!
I see 2 Janes here, is it possibly Ada who is 23?
Yes sorry about that Ada is 23.
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Any possibility there was a twin James to Richard, born c. 1837. Richard is 4 on the 1841 census, and we have listed a James in the same year. Possible died at birth?
No birth registration available for Richard as reg didn't start until the Sept 1/4 but there is a death reg for a James Pearson Sept 1/4 West Ward Westmorland vol 25 page 311 which may be him. Only the cert would confirm.
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Thomas would have left the household by 1841 and I know Thomas was definately an older son - first on my list.
Thomas we have in 1841 with Mounsey a butcher
1851 HO107/2186/662/2
Wenddon? Street Toxteth Park Liverpool
Ontram family
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Thomas Pearson 24 single lodger, Butcher born Askham Westmorland.
1851 Ho107/2440/224/4
John and Hannah Mounsey now farmers
Plus Matthew Pearson 17 farm servant born Askham
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Sarah Pearson on 1881 census (dont know where I got it!) 16 yrs old - est birth abt 1865 Askham Westmoreland. Servant at 35 Casatlegate Railway Hotel - Burns Household.
This seems to be the same Sarah we are looking at? Where was she in 1891, 1901, 1911 and 1921?
Did she marry - I am thinking not, and that she could have been in or near the James Pearson household in 1919, as she sent thanks via Fannie for a gift from Aunt Sarah in Aus.
The 1881 census for Sarah b1864 dau of Barbara is correct.
Marriage 1888 Dec 1/4 W.Ward vol10b page 1021 Sarah Pearson t John Sandford Mounsey.
She married in to the Mounsey family. Remember Thomas and Matthew both worked for them at one stage?
1891 RG12/4278/80/4
Lazonby Penrith Cumberland
Low Plains Cottage
John S Mounsey 44 ag lab born Askam
Sarah 26 Askham
Richard 7 Newbiggin Cumb
John S 2 Newbiggin
William J 8 months Bampton Westmorland
Agnes Brumwell domestic servant Ulverston Lancs
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1901 RG13/4906/37/6
Asham Westmorland
John S Mounsey 56 general labourer Askham
Sarah 36 Askham
John S 12 Dacre Cumberland
William J 10 Bampton Westmorland
Joseph 7 Lazonby Cumb
Margaret A 5 Askham
Jarard T 2 Askham
Mary J 1 mth Askham
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James born 1850
1871 RG10/5203/8/10
Blencorn Cumb
Broats (name of property?
John Clarkson and extended family farmer 56 acres
James Pearson 21 Farm servant indoors b Askham
1881
Askham Held? Head
James Pearson head 31 single domestic gardener's labourer b Askham
Margaret sister unm. 50 Cook b Askham
Richard Pearson Uncle 79 Rag carpet weaver b Great Strickland Westmorland
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1891 RG12/4327/39/6
Asham
James pearson 41 gardener's labourer
Annie Pearson 38
Robert 7
Frances 5
James 4
Mary E 1
All born Askham
Marriage James Pearson and Annie Kitchen Sept 1/4 1882 vol 10b page 933
1901 RG13/4906/38/7
Askham
James Pearson 51 Domestic gardener
Annie 47
Robert 17
Francis daughter 15
James 14
Mary6 E 11
All born Askham. No occupations for any of the children
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You have been very busy - and great work! Interesting about Thomas being a butcher. He was a farmer when he came to Victoria but on death certificate in 1902 occupation butcher. In Aust. 44 years, so that would be c. 1858, so assume Thomas will not be on 1861 census, nor brother Matthew, nor John, who it appears came about the same time, possibly together, and I assumethey were first three in family to emigrate. A William and Sarah Pearson are listed as coming on the Tudor in 1864. A family letter says that Sarah came to cook for her brothers!
Interesting that Sarah is not listed underneath as a scholar, just gardeners daughter and no occupation. What do you think?
1861 RG09/3962/43/12
Askham
John Pearson 60 gardener born Morland Westmorland
Mary wife 51 gardener's wife
Sarah 13 gardener's daughter
James 11 scholar
Jane 9 scholar
Mary 7 granddaughter scholar boarder
Mary and children born Askham
Looking at James' children, 1891, I assume Francis is Fannie, and Mary, much younger than the others and possibly James' favourite, is very likely Mamie referred to in letters. There dont appear to be any other children? These are all mentioned in 2 letters. When James died in 1919, he owned? a farm, and the family said they were going to keep it going. Can we see what the census says in 1911 - he is still a domestic gardener in 1901 I see and wonder if son James has gone to America yet?
Aunt Mary and Pollie also mentioned in these letters. If you have time, I would really appreciate following Mary (Lacklison) after the 1891 census. I see she has a daughter Mary then aged 4, and is it possible that this Mary could be Pollie. Sarah (Australia) had eldest daughter Mary who was called Pollie. When the rels visited in 1929, that would make this Mary approx. 42 - photo looked about 50, but then women looked older then? If it is her, she didn't marry as name still Pearson and accompanying her mother?
Also Nellie Pearson, any clues there?
Terrific information from you Crissane and really appreciated. Thanks again. Lyn
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Thomas, Richard, Robert, Matthew and John are not on the 1861 census so we may assume that they left UK between 1851 and 1861. However I can't find records as yet placing them on the same ship.
I haven't searched for voyages for Sarah and Jane yet but the last census they appear on is the 1861.
Sarah on the 1861 as gardener's dau could be because she couldn't find work or she was helping her mother or they thought it sounded "posh." No big deal.
James born 1850 is on the censuses up to 1901 did his son go to US?
1901
RG13/4886/133/5
craikhow Parade Dearham Cumb
James Lacklison 56 grocer shopkeeper own account bLoweswater
Mary 47 Askham
Mary dau 14 Dearham.
So all other children have left home.
i'll take a look at shipping records again.
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thanks. Think Richard could have been later, maybe 1860. Dont know about Robert, but perhaps first 3 came together then Richard and Robert. I found Sarah and William on the Tudor in 1864. So many Pearsons on the list without christian names. Jane would have been 11 or 12 when Sarah left. It was said that Sarah came to cook for her brothers!
Thomas, Richard, Robert, Matthew and John are not on the 1861 census so we may assume that they left UK between 1851 and 1861. However I can't find records as yet placing them on the same ship.
I haven't searched for voyages for Sarah and Jane yet but the last census they appear on is the 1861.
Sarah on the 1861 as gardener's dau could be because she couldn't find work or she was helping her mother or they thought it sounded "posh." No big deal.
James born 1850 is on the censuses up to 1901 did his son go to US?
1901
RG13/4886/133/5
craikhow Parade Dearham Cumb
James Lacklison 56 grocer shopkeeper own account bLoweswater
Mary 47 Askham
Mary dau 14 Dearham.
So all other children have left home.
i'll take a look at shipping records again.
James the father born 1850 stayed home, he died in 1919. Son James born c. 1897 went to America, presumably before WW1, then came back to fight for Britain, then applied for a passport in 1919 to go back.
Just read a family letter from Fannie dated 1947, which mentions Robert and Nellie, so that is Fannie, daughter of James, her brother is Robert who was in Germany in the army in 1919, and am sure that Nellie is his wife, so that solves that one. Her brother "Jimmie" is in America, and his daughter has written to Fannie.
Interesting another letter also that has just surfaced - from JP Lacklison in 1941 to Aust. so that is son of Mary, our "Aunt Mary" and she is still alive and nearly 88. She is actually still alive in Fannie's letter in 1947, but failing. That would make her about 94! And from his letter, we now know who his children were.
Thanks again for terrific help. Really getting this family sorted out now!
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Here is the death of your Aunt Mary Lacklison
Mary Lacklison age 96, 1949 Cockermouth Cumberland vol 1a page 82
There is another 2 years later
Mary Lacklison age 64 1951 Cockermouth Cumberland vol 1a page 88
This may be her dau who was 14 in 1901 so right age - that is if she didn't marry.
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Well here is a turn up for the books. Robert Lacklison son of Mary signed up with the Canadian forces in WW1 in 1915. Unfortunately there are only two pages but clearly states born Dearham Cumberland mother Mary.