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Hi everyone.
I am trying to trace my husbands family history. His Grandfather was Joseph Herbert Woolhouse born March 1913 in Surrey. Joseph's parents were Frederick Charles Woolhouse and Florence Mary.
If anyone can help me, it would be greatly appreciated
:)
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Welcome to rootschat harlu.
Do you know where Frederick and Florence hail from?
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Hi Harlu
Welcome to Rootschat :D
Do already have Joseph's birth certificate?
If not this looks like him (found on http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ )
Joseph H Woolhouse mother's maiden-name Coatley registered Lambeth Jan qtr 1913 Vol1d Pg937
Jan ;)
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They are on the 1901 census at RG13/437/25/41
Fred is George and there are some Goatley's living with them. :)
9A Fairview Tce
Lambeth
George Woolhouse head mar 22 contractor's carman b Surrey Norwood
Florence wife 20 b Brixton
Thomas son 2 b W Norwood
Maria Goatley mother in law ;D wid 38 laundress b Middx Westminster
Edward Goatley brother in law 16 contractors carman b Brixton
then there is a Lewis family who appear to live at the same address ... :-\
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Hi Harlu
Welcome to Rootschat :D
Do already have Joseph's birth certificate?
If not this looks like him (found on http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ )
Joseph H Woolhouse mother's maiden-name Coatley registered Lambeth Jan qtr 1913 Vol1d Pg937
Jan ;)
I have looked at that one too and wondered if it was him. So maybe search for a Florence Coatley then? We are trying to go back to see where his family come from.
Thank you so much for all the responses so far.
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And their marriage:
Sept 1900
Goatley Florence
Woolhouse George :-\
Lambeth
1d 886
Do you think this is the right family harlu?
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I have no idea Ruskie. I literally started searching today.
We found Josephs gravesite here in Australia and his death certificate info. I know who he married and what year but nowI need to go backwards.
(whoops hit the wrong smilie button)
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The George Ruskie found in 1901 is with his parents James and Mary J in Lambeth listed as George F in 1881 - there is a baptism in West Dulwich on 15th March 1880 for George Frederick Woolhouse parents James and Mary June address Gloucester Rd Norwood which looks like the same man. Where did you get the information that his name was Fredrick Charles?
Jan ;)
OK see you've answered that question :D As death certificates are only as accurate as the information given - maybe Charles is a mistake? Do you have joseph's marriage cert?
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I can tell you that Joseph married Lucy Ada Parbery in 1936 in West Ham. Where can I hunt down a copy of their marriage certificate?
Sorry, very new to all this.
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Ah so you're in Australia harlu. Yes, Jan is right - information on death certificates is not always accurate. I know of several instances where wrong parent's names were given on Australian death certificates. Often I suppose the children of the deceased are giving inforamtion about grandparents they never knew.
What does Joseph's death certificate say his father's occupation was?
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This is a good first port of call:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Have a fiddle and see what you can come up with. I'll have a look for the marriage too. (yes, it's there :))
It's much more fun if you can find it yourself. Let me know if you need help with it.
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We don't have his death certificate - we only found a snippet of info online this evening. But will probably purchase it in the next few days.
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This is a good first port of call:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Have a fiddle and see what you can come up with. I'll have a look for the marriage too.
That was my first port of call and that is where I found the details of Joseph and Lucy's marriage. Tracing her line was pretty easy (found some interesting snippets :D) but his side is hard.
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but his side is hard.
Probably because he's George not Fred. ;) Woolhouse isn't a very common name and maybe you should look for mistranscriptions too ...
So where did you get the name Frederick Charles from? :-\
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Off the BDM here in NSW. It was written
Father's Given Name - Frederick Charles
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Ah I see. That'll be the name on the death certificate then.
(I may be wrong, but I think it's wrong. ;D)
If I were you I would get Joseph's marriage certificate first - to see what HE says his father's name is. As a bonus you will also get Lucy's father's name if you don't already have it. Alternatively Joseph's birth certificate would be worth buying.
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Ah I see. That'll be the name on the death certificate then.
(I may be wrong, but I think it's wrong. ;D)
If I were you I would get Joseph's marriage certificate first - to see what HE says his father's name is. As a bonus you will also get Lucy's father's name if you don't already have it. Alternatively Joseph's birth certificate would be worth buying.
I think it's wrong too :D I agree that Joseph's marriage certificate would be the best one to go for first, then his birth certificate.
In case you don't know this is where you need to go to order certs when you've got the details from FreeBMD
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08p5/
Jan ;)
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Harlu, iif you go ahead and order the certificate/s please let us know what you discover.
And if you need any lookups in the meantime or help with anything just ask. :)
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OK I couldn't resist ....
I've found this
1891 4 Silver Cottages
Lambeth
Edward Y Goatley husband (! - never seen this written before!) married 41 Tailor b Worceshire (I imagine this must be Worcestershire?)
Marria wife mar 29 charwoman b Lambeth London
Florence daur 10 do
Edward V son 7 do
William J 4 do
Alice M 3 months
RG12/418/121/26
The only marriage I could find on Freebmd is:
Mar 1883
Edward Goatley
Maria Armstrong
Westminster
1a 774
(IF this is the correct marraige then Florence was illegitimate, however Edward may still be the father)
I couldn't find a birth for Florence Goatley around 1881, but I did find this:
Births Mar 1881
Armstrong Florence
Lambeth
1d 431
Of course this is all speculation and certificates would need to be purchased to prove/disprove this. :)
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All the other children's births are on Freebmd:
June 1884 - Edward Valentine
Jun 1887 - William James
Mar 1891 - Alice Maria
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1881
Edward Goatley unmar 26 Tailor b Worcestershire (no relationship to head of family given)
living Lambeth with Barker family
RG11/622/85/45
1871
Edward Goatley umnar 16 apprentice Tailor b Worcester
living 12 Arthur's Tce - head is Samule Ponsford, Tailor
RG10/266/56/6
1861
And the most important one where I may find him with parents and siblings, I cannot locate him! But will keep looking.
This is the closest I could find on Freebmd:
births Mar 1852
Goatley Edward Worcester 6c 281
Of course if Edward is NOT Florence's father you may not wish to include Edward on your tree. :) Her birth certificate may be worth purchasing as on her marriage certificate she may name Edward as he was her mother's husband, even if he was not her biological father.
I will leave the search there until you receive some more concrete evidence via certificates.
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Thank you very much Ruskie :)
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Ok so I'm back.
Still havent got the marriage certificate - funds issue there. I hit google and found an auntie in law looking as well and she got a reply of a Woolhouse whose mothers maiden name was Goatley.
I tried FreeBMD and found this:
*removed*
I definitely think it is a close relative and the surname is Goatley instead of Coatley.
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Hi that is looking good, I think you are right that she was Florence Goatley rather than Coatley :D
However details of living or recently departed people should not be posted here for privacy reasons - since the gentleman in question may still be alive you need to remove his details.
Keep us posted with anything further you discover or if you need more help
Jan ;)
Added - if the death Daisy found is your man then you'll be OK leaving his details up!
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Hi,
Are you sure Robert's middle name was Lewis? I found this death which fits his birth information.
Robert Leslie WOOLHOUSE Feb 1984 Hatfield Hertfordshire 10 412
Regards,
Daisy
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No you are indeed right Daisy. Thank you.
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I have an update.
The 1901 Census had a hit with Florence Woolhouse. Married to Fred. Lived in Ecclesfield, Yorkshire. I think this is them!!!
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Hi Harlu
I'm not sure about your find, the family are still in Yorkshire in 1911, whereas you know your Joseph was born in Surrey in 1913 - they could have moved of course. Interestingly it looks like the Lambeth family we found have a son Frederick Charles 6 with them in 1911. The certificates are the only way you are going know for sure.
Jan ;)
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Hi,
Are you sure Robert's middle name was Lewis? I found this death which fits his birth information.
Robert Leslie WOOLHOUSE Feb 1984 Hatfield Hertfordshire 10 412
Regards,
Daisy
Back in again for another update. The above person is the brother of the Joseph Herbert I was looking for. Previous theories of the name being wrong on the death certificate is definitely correct. Seems the second wife put his brother's name down as Joseph's father.
We have traced back a fair amount now and even found some Old Bailey records of Joseph's Grandfather attempting to murder his BIL! :o
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Hi
Glad you are making good progress :D
Jan ;)