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Title: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Monty59 on Sunday 16 May 10 12:05 BST (UK)
Help wanted please:

Martha MONTEITH (b. 1893) was born in Ireland, Co. Donegal.

She was still in Ireland in 1911 (have got a copy of the 1911 Irish census).

However, I'm trying to find out what happened to her after that.

We think she went to Scotland (date & location unknown) and married somebody called MUNGALL.

Can anybody help me with dates / names / locations please?

Thank you
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 16 May 10 12:14 BST (UK)
Hi

The Scotland's People web site ( www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk )  has a marriage for Martha Monteith to a Hugh Mungall in Blythswood, Glasgow in 1919.


Gadget
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 16 May 10 12:18 BST (UK)
The same site has the death  of a Martha Mungall (other surnames Monteith) ~

1970 Aged 77 in Blackridge, West Lothian.


Gadget
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Monty59 on Sunday 16 May 10 12:23 BST (UK)
Hi Gadget

Thank you for this.

Do you know if they had any children?

Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 16 May 10 12:25 BST (UK)


That's a bit more difficult because I can't do a search on Mumgall/Monteith, just Mungall.

I'll have a quick look.


Gadget
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 16 May 10 12:29 BST (UK)
Sorry - just too many Mungalls - 48 between 1919 and 1930 in Lanarkshire but none in Blythewswood.  No obvious names stand out either.


What was her mother's maiden name?

Gadget
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 16 May 10 12:34 BST (UK)
Answering my own question - Martha Kane.

Martha was 23 in 1919.

Hugh's address was Linlithgow so I'll check that side  :)
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Monty59 on Sunday 16 May 10 12:37 BST (UK)
Hi Gadget

Really appreciate your help on this.

Martha's mother was Martha KANE. Martha was 1 of 8 children. Siblings were called James, William, John, Thomas, Annie, Elizabeth (Lizzy) and Donald.  Donald was Martha's twin and their mother died whilst giving birth to them.

Grandparents names also include Robert and Jane.
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 16 May 10 12:42 BST (UK)
Got four deaths of Mungalls with mother's name Monteith

1978 Robina Downie, aged 55 in Bathagate
1995 Andrew Monteith aged 66 in Bathgate
2001 Agnes Robertson aged 66 in Bathgate
2006 Martha Monteith aged  84 in West Lothian


Gadget
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Monty59 on Sunday 16 May 10 13:00 BST (UK)
Gadget

Thank you for this.
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 16 May 10 13:02 BST (UK)
It looks like Robina married a McGhie, Agnes a Bell and Martha an Ashton, if that's any help  :)
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Monty59 on Sunday 16 May 10 13:09 BST (UK)
Confused now.

I was assuming the surname at death was their married name.

For example, Robina Mungall married somebody called Downie.  But you've now said she married a McGhie.
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 16 May 10 14:01 BST (UK)
Sorry - I just gave their first names so Robina Downie was Robina Downie Mungall other name McGhie, Agnes was Agnes Robertson Mungall, other name Bell and Martha Montheith was Martha Monteith Mungall, other name Ashton.

It's how the SP search engines and indexes work.  For example what I got for Agnes was:

Year - 2001
Surname - Mungall
Forename - Agnes Robertson
Mother's surname - Monteith
Other Surnames - Bell
Sex - F
Age -  68
District - Bathgate
County - West Lothian




Gadget
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 16 May 10 14:10 BST (UK)
There are 12 possible offspring listed for Martha and Hugh in West Lothian, including the 4 mentioned

Martha was b. 1921 in Linlithgow
Robina was b. 1923 in Linlithgow
Andrew was b. 1928 in West Calder
Agnes was b. in 1933 in Blackridge

3 sons with same name, so maybe the first two died or Hugh had brothers - 1924 1925 1931
2 daughters with the same name - 1920 and 1928

I can't put them on here because they might be still living but will send them via PM


Gadget
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Monty59 on Sunday 16 May 10 14:49 BST (UK)
Gadget

Thank you for your pm and all your help this afternoon.

Really appreciate it.

Monty
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Skoosh on Sunday 16 May 10 16:09 BST (UK)
Monty, the Mungall's were farmers, east of Glasgow, Gartcraig Farm, beside Barlinnie was one farm they had. I was once caught there purloining a neep for a lantern! There is a district in Falkirk called Mungall, possibly that's where the name originates.....Skoosh.
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 16 May 10 16:12 BST (UK)
Hi Skoosh

They might well have been at one stage but this Hugh's father was a bricklayer and Hugh was a coal miner, living Linlithgow



Gadget
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 16 May 10 16:17 BST (UK)
This particular  Mungall family in 1901:

6 Hamilton St,  Leith North

Mungall
Hugh, 36, bricklayer, b. Perth
Jessie, 34, b. Linlithgow
Charles, 14. b -do-
Agnes, 12, . b -do-
Jessie, 5, . b -do-
Robinna, 11, b. Leith
Hugh, 8, b. -do-
John, 2, b. -do-
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 16 May 10 16:23 BST (UK)
Trying to trace them back to your farm but still no go  :-\

1881:

Dechmont, West Lothian

Mingall/Mungall
Charles, 40, bricklayer, b. Edinburgh
Anne Mingall, 39, b. Paisley
Hugh, 16, shale miner, b. Perth
Charles, 10, b. West Calder
Robert, 5, b. Uphall
John, 2, b. Bothwell


Gadget
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 16 May 10 16:26 BST (UK)
If you can read on a Tartan background, this site has something on the origins:

http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/tommungall/index4.html

Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Monty59 on Sunday 16 May 10 16:52 BST (UK)
Hi everyone

Using IGI I've now managed to trace the MUNGALL / M'GALL family back to the late 1700's.

Skoosh - I agree with Gadget - the farm may belong to a relative but the folks I'm interested in were miners.

Thank you everyone, especially Gadget, for the fantastic help I've received.

Monty
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: SMARTIEPLUM on Sunday 30 May 10 20:36 BST (UK)
Of interest, there's a picture of Mungall's Farm at Gartcraig Road on the Cranhill Arts Project website. :)
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: Lady12 on Friday 14 January 11 12:44 GMT (UK)
Hi There

I am related to Robina Downie Mungall who married Robert McGhie in Blackridge.

If there is anything you need to know please get in contact
Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: blackridge on Sunday 27 March 11 11:09 BST (UK)
she was my grandmother
Help wanted please:

Martha MONTEITH (b. 1893) was born in Ireland, Co. Donegal.

She was still in Ireland in 1911 (have got a copy of the 1911 Irish census).

However, I'm trying to find out what happened to her after that.

We think she went to Scotland (date & location unknown) and married somebody called MUNGALL.

Can anybody help me with dates / names / locations please?

Thank you

Title: Re: Martha Monteith / Mungall
Post by: blackridge on Sunday 27 March 11 11:12 BST (UK)
she was my grandmother