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Title: Ursula Dodds/William Wake
Post by: jakezed on Sunday 16 May 10 03:54 BST (UK)
Does anyone have any information on my Great Grandmother, Ursula Dodds.
All I can trace is that she was born at Mount, County Durham in 1844, and she married my Great Grandfather William Wake 28th June 1865 at the Parish of St.John, Newcastle upon Tyne.
I think her father was Joseph Dodds, who may have died in Antigua!
He may have worked on the railways.
I have no information about her mother.
Title: Re: Ursula Dodds/William Wake
Post by: diddymiller on Sunday 16 May 10 16:52 BST (UK)
here she is on the 1861 census:

Durham City 1861 Census, Elvet  (RG9/3737 Folio 40, Page 5)
John Blackburn, Head, married, 27, Chemist & Druggist, born Durham, County Durham
Eleanor Blackburn, Wife, married, 23, born Durham, County Durham
Ursale Dodds, servant, unmarried, 17, House Servant, born Ayton/Eighton Banks, County Durham

Diddy
Title: Re: Ursula Dodds/William Wake
Post by: lizdb on Sunday 16 May 10 16:54 BST (UK)
Have you got her marriage cert? that would confirm her father for you as Jospeh, or not.

I cant see a birth reg
Title: Re: Ursula Dodds/William Wake
Post by: wozzle on Sunday 16 May 10 17:16 BST (UK)
the only female dodds born 1844+-2 in ayton banks with father joseph that i can find on 1851 census is a rachel dodds
could her name have possbly been rachel ursula dodds
having said that i cannot at this time find a birth for rachel either.
maybe the birth was not registered
i seem to remember seeing somewhere that there were births that were never registered during this timeframe
Title: Re: Ursula Dodds/William Wake
Post by: diddymiller on Sunday 16 May 10 17:26 BST (UK)
wozzle -i had the same thought -second name but freebmd has no female dodds with name ursula at all!

Diddy
Title: Re: Ursula Dodds/William Wake
Post by: Quinlyn on Monday 17 May 10 12:59 BST (UK)
Hi,

There is a marriage of an Ursula Dodds to a man with the first name of William on the free bmd; I hope this might help you in your search.

Surname     First name(s)          District      Vol     Page
Marriages Jun 1865   (>99%)
Dodds    Ursula        Newcastle T.    10b   147

Actually, his full name is William Wake (just discovered this after I had put the first post on):
Surname     First name(s)          District      Vol     Page
Marriages Jun 1865   (>99%)
Wake    William        Newcastle T.    10b   147

It says Newcastle, rather than County Durham, not quite sure why...
Sorry Jakezed, I have just read the first post again and you have already mentioned that they were married in Newcastle upon Tyne.  The marriage certificate might give you some more clues, if you do not already possess a copy of it.

Kind regards,
Michael
Title: Re: Ursula Dodds/William Wake
Post by: Radcliff on Monday 17 May 10 14:33 BST (UK)
Here is the family in 1851.
Joseph aged 37 born Wylam,a labourer
Margaret aged 38 born Newcastle,
Ann aged 10 born Gosforth
Rachel aged 8 born Ayton Banks,
Isaba Huttson aged 4,
I found this a bit hard to read,address, Haswell ,Durham, Easington, South Pelton
so sorry if the address doesnt make sense ,
1871 census ,Jarrow ,
Ursula has been spelt as Orvilleie Wake  born Jarrow ,
William aged 27 a blacksmith,
Margaret Jane aged 3,
William Roberts aged 38 ,
Elizabeth Roberts aged 22,
 very scribbled on so I cant be sure of the relationship between the Roberts and Wakes
this would tie them to the 1881 census as William is a blacksmith,and little Margaret is born Jarrow,
Title: Re: Ursula Dodds/William Wake
Post by: wozzle on Monday 17 May 10 17:42 BST (UK)
possible parents marriage
name; joseph dodds
y.o.r. 1837
qtr; oct/nov/dec
dist; newcastle upon tyne
vol; 25
page; 371
on the same page amongst others ; margaret woodhouse
Title: Re: Ursula Dodds/William Wake
Post by: barryd on Tuesday 18 May 10 04:54 BST (UK)
Antigua had a railway as most of the sugar growing islands did or still have railways.

28  June 1865 St. John's Newcastle-upon-Tyne, married William Wake, Bachelor, Occ.  Smith. Ursula Dodds, Spinster. Both of this Parish. Both of Full Age. His father John Wake, Gardener. Her father Joseph Dodds, PLATELAYER. He was a railway man.  FHLF 2193425

I only found one child of the above couple.  Ursula dau. of William and Ursula Wake born Deptford 26 MAY 1880 and baptized Chapelry of Deptford, County Durham, 23 June 1880.
Father's Occ. Blacksmith, abode 7, Hillfield, Deptford. FHLF 1894621.

Antigua deaths are available on film but I checked and could not find any Dodd deaths there. FHLF 1933453/1933449.
Title: Re: Ursula Dodds/William Wake
Post by: jakezed on Wednesday 19 May 10 04:05 BST (UK)
I have never posted a multiple reply to several posts, so I hope you can all read this.
First of all, sorry for the delay in sending replies, but computer broke down, and only got it back today!
So, my thanks to the following:- diddymiller, lizdb,wozzle,Quinlyn,Radcliff, and finally Barryd, I had no idea I'd get such a response!
First, diddymiller, that info about her at 17 , very interesting, gives me some idea what she was doing before she married, and a better feel about birthplace, all I could ever see was Mount on Census forms, and couldn't find it on a map!
To lizdb, no, but thanks to barryd below, it looks as though I wont have to, thank you Barry!
I am happy that this marriage was to my William Wake, as one of their four kids was my Grandfather, who was Joseph Dodds Wake.......proof to an amateur like me!
Wozzle, thank you for potentially finding Ursula's mum!
Radcliff, thanks, made my wife chuckle, as she's from Wylam!
Also gives me some idea about her siblings, do you think she was visiting her folks on census night, as she's called Wake you say, and we know she married in 1865?
Michael
Title: Re: Ursula Dodds/William Wake
Post by: jakezed on Wednesday 19 May 10 04:06 BST (UK)
Michael, thank you for taking the time to post the info about their wedding!
Kind regards to you all,
Michael
Title: Re: Ursula Dodds/William Wake
Post by: Quinlyn on Thursday 20 May 10 09:23 BST (UK)
Hi Michael,

You are very welcome to the post about the wedding.  I have had a great deal of help with my family tree, so it is nice to think that I can at least do my 'little' bit (I am a novice to all of this) for others.

Good luck with the rest of your research Michael.

Kind regards,
Michael
Title: Re: Ursula Dodds/William Wake
Post by: jakezed on Thursday 20 May 10 13:31 BST (UK)
Thank you for the message.
I'm happy that you've had so much help with your research, because I got into it so late, 60+ when almost all the players that could have helped have died! and all you have left, are vague memories of chats with parents who were too busy surviving to worry about where they'd come from!
It's even worse when you've moved 12000 miles away from where it happened!
Good Luck,
Michael
Title: Re: Ursula Dodds/William Wake
Post by: Jane Wynstone on Tuesday 29 October 13 01:10 GMT (UK)
You are probably referring to my great grandmother, Ursula Dodds Wake, daughter of Joseph Dodds, a plate layer on the railroads (Durham, I think) and married to William Wake, a blacksmith/engineer at St. John's Church in Newcastle-Upon-Tyne. It's near the railway station. I visited it a few years ago, when I was in the UK. It's high church Anglican. I did have the marriage certificate and if I find it, I'll post the details. William Wake took Ursula and their 3 children to Antigua and Montserrat in the West Indies. After Ursula died (buried in Antigua (I think) her grave was visited by Cecil Wake, one of my Canadian cousins, many years ago) William, according to family stories, disappeared and the 3 children left the islands. William (again according to legend!) then re-appeared, loaded with lots of money which he spent with gay abandon and then disappeared again to be last heard of in Peru or Chile, I forget which.  His son John ended up in Canada (married to Ruth Sones (sp.?) where he fathered
 6 children; my grandfather, Joseph Dodds Wake -- married to Barbara Johnson(lived in Jarrow) --5 children and Margaret ( I think) married an Irish Canadian -- last name, Egan, I think. It is said that my great grandfather William built a bridge in either Antigua or Montserrat (again, I don't know which) which has his initials carved into the iron work. Our branch of the Wake family owned a farm in NE Yorkshire, near Wellbury. By the way, we are probably also related to Nancy Wake (the 'White Mouse' of WW2 fame) -- you can look her up on Google. Have fun!
Title: Re: Ursula Dodds/William Wake
Post by: Michael Wake on Sunday 11 March 18 02:06 GMT (UK)
Hi, just come across your post about Ursula Dodds, where you say she was your Great Grandma, she is also mine! I was wondering which of Joseph Dodds Wake's children was you father?
Mine was Thomas Marshall Wake. I too have heard the Antigua tales, where the three kids sailed back to UK, got ship wrecked, with our Grandpa being the only one to make back to County Durham, the other two ending up in Canada. The Yorkshire connection I've heard about is also at Welbury, a pub  called the Duke of Wellington, although it's now a cafe called the Monks Table, called there in 2010.
Kind Regards,
 Michael Wake
Title: Re: Ursula Dodds/William Wake
Post by: sarah on Sunday 11 March 18 16:12 GMT (UK)
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Hi, Cousin Michael – I used to visit your parents (and you and your sister Gillian) when I was in England many years ago.

Like you, I now live in New Zealand. I’d enjoy meeting with you and Rowena if you ever venture from your home up north. I am of course in touch with several of our Canadian cousins.

Vivien Wake.

Posted to me in error by Jane Wynstone, I will send you an email to reset your password so that you can log in again.

Regards

Sarah