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Hi
Thanks for reading. Hope someone can see something I've missed.
Luzzu
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Hi
1901 census RG13 3865 folio 46
26 Whalley Street Burnley, Lancashire
Robert Veevers 32 Boarder Married Cotton Weaver Burnley, Lancashire
Edith and the children were living at 15 Lomas Street Burnley on the same census RG13 3871 folio 101
Regards
Valda
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Thanks Valda.
That's a big help as I couldn't see him at all. That means he was alive in 1901 so if he died it would have been before or at the beginning of 1903.
Luzzu
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Hi
The same Robert appears to be showing on the 1911 census in Burnley?
http://www.1911census.co.uk/
Regards
Valda
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Oh :o - that means he wasn't dead. I'm out of credits at the moment but will buy some and take a look to see who was in the same household.
Thanks so much.
Luzzu
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Hi
Possibly not if it was the same man. Marriages as today in the past broke down. The difference was that free legal aid for divorce was not avaialable until after the First World War. Divorce was therefore out of the reach of all those who could not afford the legal fees. The choice for them was quite simply continue to live together, go your separate ways which might involve living with someone else as a married couple, or marry bigamously. The latter option was not uncommon and shows an element of toleration from communities and families where the nature of some of these marriages must have been known about.
Regards
Valda
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Thanks for your advice. It is very helpful. So as long as everyone was happy and tolerant and no one "in authority" found out everything was fine and I suppose that was why Edith decided to use her maiden name (slightly amended) to cover the tracks a little bit. I think I have a similar situation in another branch of my family (as yet unproven) but one couple were in Leicestershire and the other in London. The difference with Edith and Robert is that they continued living in the same town and from what I have seen Burnley was quite a close knit community.
Luzzu
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Hi Luzzu
There are a few Robert Veevers in Lancashire. Can you say when yours was born and where? Also what was the name of the wife in 1911, and where were they living?
Ken
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Hi
See my previous post giving Robert Veevers born Burnley (1868) and living in Burnley on the 1901 census. A man of that age and name was still living in Burnely on the 1911 census. Robert and Edith married in Burnley in 1889. Robert is on the 1881 census at RG11 4149 folio 70. The census he is missing from is 1891.
Full details are given by Luzzu in her first post on Edith Veevers nee Osborne (born 1868) and her marriage in 1903 in Burnley to Albert Pollard and Edith and her family on the 1911 census still in Burnley.
Regards
Valda
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Hi Luzzu....on familysearch Edith Osborne is stated as being b 1868 Redruth Cornwall on a birth record submitted....but she is nowhere to be found in the 1881 census returns on that site....allan ???
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Hi
1881 census RG11 4146 folio 146
20 Yorkshire Street Burnley
Edith Osborne 13 Boarder Nurse Redruth Cornwall
Regards
Valda
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Thanks for all your replies. I really appreciate everyone's help.
Thanks for finding Edith in 1881, Valda. I was missing that one as she wasn't with her family at 42 Hart Street, Burnley. I have her now on all the censuses 1871-1911.
There are a few Robert Veevers in Lancashire. Can you say when yours was born and where? Also what was the name of the wife in 1911, and where were they living?
From the 1901 census, I believe Robert Veevers was born in Burnley in 1869. He seems to be missing from the 1891 census. Edith is a boarder at 75 Branch Road, Burnley and is recorded as married. She has their son with her - Class: RG12; Piece: 3365; Folio 133; Page 21; GSU roll: 6098475.
Regarding Robert in 1911. I am out of credits at the moment so can't view the full details. I have no evidence yet that Robert had a second wife. I can't see an obvious BMD reference either although there is one in 1903 in Oldham and the two brides are Agnes Ellen Sinkinson and Mary Ann Wood. I have just tried using the free search to see who else is in the household and there is a Mary Veevers who I think is his wife and she was born in 1880 in Burnley.
I think I can see Robert Veevers on earlier censuses with his parents who I believe are Alfred Veevers and Sarah Jane Hurst:-
1871 - Class: RG10; Piece: 4148; Folio: 109; Page: 7; GSU roll: 846732.
1881 - Class: RG11; Piece: 4149; Folio: 70; Page: 3; GSU roll: 1341994.
However, I do need to confirm his father's name by obtaining his marriage certificate. Since the price increase, I try to make every certificate count and do as much checking as possible before committing to buying the certificate.
Luzzu
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The plot thickens ....
In 1911 Robert Veevers was living at Rakehead Farm, Nelson. He was aged 42, occupation cotton weaver, born in Burnley. He has a wife, Mary Veevers, and three children; Sarah aged 10, Mary aged 4 and James aged 2 and has been married to Mary for 12 years. There was a 4th child who died.
I have been looking for a marriage for 1899/1900 but I can't see any possibles. There is a birth for a James Arthur Veevers in Burnley 2nd qtr 1909 (mother's maiden name Livesey) and there is another birth for James Veevers 2nd qtr 1908 but with no mother's maiden name. Sarah was born in Preston and Mary and James were both born in Nelson ???
The marriage I found in Oldham in 1903 to Mary Ann Wood doesn't seem to fit anymore because they would have only been married for 8 years in 1911.
May be Robert and Mary never actually got married because of the previous marriage to Edith? Can anyone suggest what I should do next please?
Thanks,
Luzzu
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Hi
People tend to say things on censuses and marriages for propriety's sake. There were no checks in the system and no documentation they had to produce to back up what they were saying. Therefore if you have an older child in the household you may choose to adjust the date of your marriage accordingly.
You don't give Mary senior's age and place of birth on the 1911 census so that makes it harder - this is a stab at it which consequently might not be correct. The details would have to marry up with the 1911 census information.
Births Jun 1900
Wood Sarah Pamela Preston 8e 578
Marriages Mar 1920
Howarth Thomas Veevers Burnley 8e 581
Veevers Sarah P Howarth Burnley 8e 581
No obvious birth registration for a Sarah P Veevers on FreeBMD
1901 census RG13 3950 folio
149 Victoria Street Preston
Charlotte Rogers 30 Head Single Frame Tenter card room Newry Ireland
Lillie Rogers 28 Sister Single Frame Tenter card room Newry Ireland
Sarah Rogers 24 Sister Single Licensed Pedler Hawker Liverpool Lancs
Mary Ann Wood 20 Niece Single Cotton weaver Farington Preston Lancs
Sarah Pamela Wood 11 months Great niece Preston Lancs
Marriage out of area
Marriages Mar 1903
Veevers Robert Oldham 8d 779
Wood Mary Ann Oldham 8d 779
No proof of course from the marriage index that this Robert married Mary Ann Wood and not the other female named in the other pair.
Regards
Valda
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Sorry Valda. Forgot to include Mary Veevers details from 1911. She is aged 31 years old (born c1880), occupation cotton weaver and born Lostock Hall, Lancashire.
On the Lancashire BMD, the 1903 marriage does confirm Robert Veevers married Mary Ann Wood - http://lancashirebmd.org.uk/
On the same reference there is a marriage Robert Veevers/Mary Ann Rogers which I thought might indicate Mary Ann had a previous marriage so was possibly a widow. What is really interesting is that the 1901 census you found includes both surnames.
People tend to say things on censuses and marriages for propriety's sake. There were no checks in the system and no documentation they had to produce to back up what they were saying. Therefore if you have an older child in the household you may choose to adjust the date of your marriage accordingly.
You are ahead of me this morning :). It hadn't occurred to me that they could have married after Sarah's birth and adjusted the dates for the census. That might make more sense than not getting married at all.
I have definitely confirmed this morning that Robert Veevers was the son of Alfred Veevers and Sarah Jane Hurst. Alfred was born in Colne and his occupation on the Robert Veevers/Edith Osborne marriage certificate was greengrocer. In 1871 he was a cotton weaver but by 1881 he was a grocer.
Luzzu
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Forgot to mention, Lostock Hall and Farrington look to be adjacent to each other on the map - just to the south of Preston.
Luzzu
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Hi
A good possibility then.
It doesn't mean that Sarah was necessarily Robert's child. It could just mean that she was absorbed into the family on the marriage of her mother and took her stepfather's surname. Simpler that way and less awkward questions about who Sarah Wood was? She might or might not name Robert as her father on her marriage. She might as the only father she had known.
1881 census RG11 4224 folio 78
Upper Row Farrington
Eli Woods 25 Head Married Cotton spinner Preston Lancs
Mary Woods 23 Wife Married Frame Tenter Liverpool Lancs
Mary Ann Woods 1 Daughter Farrington Lancs
Marriages Dec 1878
ROGERS Mary Ann Preston 8e 840
WOOD Eli Preston 8e 840
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WOOD Eli ROGERS Mary Ann Preston, St James Preston 228A/2/46
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda,
This is looking really good :D. Thank you so much.
I am getting confused a bit now with the reference on the Lancs BMD to her being Mary Ann Rogers and Mary Ann Wood. They are obviously the same person and now it is looking like her mother's maiden name was Rogers it doesn't seem like she was previously married ???.
Luzzu
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I'd have to see the certificate. Eli may have died (can't see him on the 1891 census) and Mary Ann's mother remarried. Or both died and there was a little uncertainty in the Rogers family whether a marriage had taken place....
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1886
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
WOOD Eli 31 St Peters Preston ST.P/17/65
Regards
Valda
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A BIG THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU HELP ;D ;D ;D.
One last question. Do you think it would be worth trying to search for a divorce for Edith and Robert? I have just done a quick search on The National Archives and Lancashire Records Office websites but nothing is showing.
Luzzu
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Your welcome
This is The National Archives research guide on divorce.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=53
For the period before the First World War anyone divorcing would have had to have their divorce case heard in a court in London. TNA has an online electronic index.
It wasn't until 1922 that besides London ten assize towns were named as suitable for the hearing of certain kinds of divorce. TNA does not hold the records for divorce cases heard outside of London.
From the guide
'Although divorce was no longer the exclusive province of the very wealthy, it still involved considerable expense, so the poor were effectively excluded. The very poor could sue without payment of fees ‘in forma pauperis’ if they could prove their lack of means. The real opening of divorce to all classes did not take place until the 1920s, with the extension of legal aid, and the provision of some local facilities.'
Regards
Valda
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Thank you again.
I think I will order the Robert Veevers/Mary Ann Wood marriage certificate because I think that will go along way to confirming everything - I hope.
I will do an update when it arrives.
;D ;D ;D
Luzzu
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I've just picked up on this thread and am reading it with interest. Alfred Veevers and Sarah Jane Hurst were my great grandparents. Their daughter Ann, born five years after Robert, was my Grannie.
I've been trying to trace Robert and had the same 1911 census enumeration at Rake Head farm, but wasn't sure if I had the correct Robert. Sarah, Mary and James are all names in the Veevers family. James Veevers was the father of Alfred, and Mary was Robert's sister who died as a young adult.
Thanks for posting the information from the marriage certificate of Robert and Edith, and to others who posted information. It's very helpful. Alfred was a greengrocer in Abel Street, Burnley, and I have documentation on some others in the family.
Joan
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Hi Joan,
Thanks for posting. I am related to the Osbornes - Edith was the younger sister of my great, great granddad.
I think everything I have on Robert and Edith is on the thread and Valda has done a great job of sorting it out for me.
Robert Veevers and Edith Osborne married on 10 Jun 1889 at Brunswick Chapel, Burnley and the witnesses were Charles Osborne, her younger brother, and Rebecca Osborne, her sister-in-law. Rebecca is my great, great grandmother and was married to Edith's older brother, Samuel John. The certificate confirms Robert's father as Alfred, greengrocer and Edith's father as James (deceased) - which is correct as he died in 1874.
I have ordered the Robert Veevers/Mary Ann Wood marriage certificate and I have everything crossed that this will be the same Robert Veevers who married Edith. I think it will take a while to arrive because I am on overseas delivery but hopefully the GRO have sorted out their backlog by now.
I think I am certain that the Edith who married Robert Veevers in 1889 is the same one who married Albert Pollard in 1903 because the children who were with her before are still with her in 1911 and some of them have very unusual names.
:D
Luzzu
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I have just been reading through Peter Veevers WW1 record (he was the eldest son of Robert Veevers and Edith Osborne). He gives his address as 22 Lyndhurst Road, Burnley which is where Albert Pollard and Edith Osborne were living in 1911 and also names Edith Pollard, mother as next of kin.
Still struggling to find Robert Veevers in 1891. That is the only census I am missing now.
I am puzzled because clearly the Robert Veevers/Edith Osborne marriage broke down and although they married in 1889 they don't appear on ANY census together but their last child together was born in 1900 ???. They both went on to re-marry their new partners in 1903.
Luzzu
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I looked at the 1901 census for Edith and according to it, her four youngest children, aged 5, 4, 3 and 2, were born in Barrowford, Nelson, Blackpool and Cornholme respectively.
Did Edith and Robert Veevers move around so much?
I've been trying to find Robert in the 1891 census for a long time, without success. I have all the other Veevers siblings, ten of them.
Joan
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I looked at the 1901 census for Edith and according to it, her four youngest children, aged 5, 4, 3 and 2, were born in Barrowford, Nelson, Blackpool and Cornholme respectively.
Did Edith and Robert Veevers move around so much?
Yes I noticed that too. I suppose they must have done. Looking at the map Barrowford, Cornholme and Nelson seem to be not far away but Blackpool ??? - perhaps they were on holiday :D. There certainly seems enough evidence to me that the Edith Osborne, Edith Veevers and Edith Pollard are the same lady especially as some of the children are with her in 1911.
Have you ever come across Thos Veevers born ca 1869 in Burnley? I noticed him in 1891:-
Thos Veevers 22 mar labourer born Burnley, Lancs
Margt A Veevers 20 mar wife born cotton weaver born Blackburn, Lancs
Mary A Veevers 1 dau born Burnley, Lancs
living at 225 Clifton Street, Habergham Eaves
RG12/3369/23 p41
The thing is he only seems to appear in 1891 and I can't see a marriage for him either so far ???. Do you think its strange that he only seems to be there in 1891? Probably totally on the wrong track but its bothering me. Thought I would mention it as you have done a lot more on the Veevers family than I have.
Luzzu
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Hi
Tom Veevers doesn't seem to have any connection to Robert.
1901 census RG13 3867 folio 21
18 Rochester Street Burnley
Tom Ververs 32 Head Married Labourer at Palasade Worlls? Burnley Lancashire
Margaret A Veevers 30 Wife Married Blackburn Lancashire
Mary J Veevers 11 Daughter
Elizabeth A Veevers 9 Daughter
Annie Veevers 6 Daughter
Harry Veevers 3 Son
Margaret A Veevers 11 months Daughter
all the children born Burnley
Marriages Jun 1889
Ridsdale Margaret Alice Burnley 8e 339
Veevers Tom Burnley 8e 339
Births Jun 1868
VEEVERS Tom Burnley 8e 216
1881 census RG11 4146 folio 13
16 Ormerod Street Burnley
Ambrose Veevers 39 Head Married Cotton Weaver Clitheroe lancashire
Mary Jane Veevers 34 Wife Married Housekeeper
Tom Veevers 12 Son Cotton weaver
Isabella Veevers 9 Daughter
Harry Veevers 1 Son
plus 3 boarders
wife and children born Burnley
Regards
Valda
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That's right, Valda. As far as I know, Thomas Veevers has no connection with my Veevers family.
Joan
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I've been looking back at my Veevers notes. In the 1901 census Robert Veevers was a boarder at 26 Whalley St. with Robert and Martha Heyes and their one-year-old daughter. This could be Robert's sister Martha and her husband Robert Heyes. Martha Heyes' year of birth, 1875, fits with that of Robert's sister. Martha's sister, my grandmother, lived a few doors away on the same street.
I have a copy of Alfred Veevers' will, written in April 1917 and proved in August 1918. Robert was a beneficiary along with his remaining nine siblings. One sister died earlier and her children benefitted.
This indicates that Robert was on good terms with his family, and was alive in 1918.
I had tried searching for him in passenger lists in case he left England for a while but so far without success.
Joan
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Thanks for clearing that up. Don't think I had my brain in gear this morning ::) - was searching for Thomas and Thos and didn't think to search under Tom.
Luzzu
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Hi,
Received the Robert Veevers/Mary Ann Wood marriage certificate today and it is the right one :D. It confirms that Robert Veevers who married Mary Ann Wood is the same one who married Edith Osborne.
He is aged 34, which is correct. His occupation is weaver, which is correct and his father is Alfred Veevers, retired grocer which is also correct. He is described as widower which isn't right because I know Edith is alive and marries Albert Pollard.
Mary Ann's details seem to tie in with what Valda came up with but not exactly ???.
She is aged 23, which is correct, occupation weaver which is also correct. However her father is Eli Rogers (deceased) - no occupation which sort of fits (Rogers was her mother's maiden name) and she says she is a widow which I don't think she was ??? I wonder if she was covering up the fact that her daughter, Sarah Pamela, was illegitimate.
Luzzu
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Hi
Just seen your post about Robert Veevers/MAry Ann Wood and Edith Osborne. I have been researching these people and have been told that as Edith and Robert had been apart over 7 years, then the 7 years rule came into effect and they were classed as divorced, hence both of them remarrying
Sue
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Hi
A previous thread on the seven year ruling or bigamy on Rootschat.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=502873.0
Just being apart for seven years is not the same as being legally divorced.
Regards
Valda
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Hi Sue,
Thanks for posting :D. Are you related to to Robert Veevers or Edith Osborne? I have many years of detailed research on the Osbornes (Edith was my 3 x gt aunt) so if you feel like comparing notes or you feel I can help with anything, please do not hesitate to PM me.
I would be interested to learn if you know where Robert Veevers was in 1891 :).
Going back to the Veevers/Wood/Osborne/Brierley/Pollard tangle ::). It is true they had been apart for 7 years but as Valda has mentioned it is not the same as divorce.
The way I understand this is when Robert Veevers married Mary Ann Wood and Edith Osborne married Albert Pollard, they both had a living spouse so the marriages would have been illegal. However because they had been separated for 7 years and may have each presumed the other had died, this might in fact mean they were not guilty of bigamy - but if the other parties were living even if they were not guilty of bigamy the marriages were still illegal.
In between Edith being married to Robert Veevers and then marrying Albert Pollard she was with Levi Brierley and had several children with him. On the eldest child's birth certificate she is recorded as Edith Veevers formerly Osborne and on the birth certificates of the four subsequent children she is Edith Brierley formerly Osborne. I cannot find any evidence she ever married Levi Brierley. This seems to be the time when she stopped using Veevers as her surname.
Finally, when Robert Veevers married Mary Ann Wood he is recorded as "widower" but when Edith Osborne married Albert Pollard she is recorded as "spinster" and has changed her name to Edith Jenkin Osborne (the Jenkin can be traced back quite a way in the Osborne family) so to me that looks like an attempt to cover up what has gone before. In addition Rebecca Osborne was a witness at both the Edith Osborne marriages, she was able to read and write and would have known that Edith wasn't a spinster when she married Albert Pollard.
Luzzu
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Hi
I am the wife of Sean Veevers. The great grandson of RobertVeevers and Mary Anne Wood (veevers). Robert and Anne are buried in Christchurch New Zealand at the Christchurch cemetery. We are researching Mary. We understand she was born in Texas,USA. If you could shed some light on her and family that would be great. We are in Australia.
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Hi,
I am related to Edith Osborne who was Robert Veever's first wife. I believe they became estranged and then Robert Veevers married Mary Ann Wood in 1903 in Oldham.
From what I can work out Mary Ann Wood already had a daughter, Sarah Pamela Wood, who was born in 1900 and then she went on to have Mary Veevers born in 1907 and James Veevers born in 1908.
Edith had three children with Robert Veevers before they split up. She then had five children with Levi Brierley - I haven't been able to find a marriage for Levi and Edith, presumably because if she had married him she would have been a bigamist. Edith then married Albert Pollard in 1903 and had four children with him.
When Edith married Albert Pollard and Robert Veevers married Mary Ann Wood, they had both been separated for 7 years so although both marriages would have been illegal as both parties had a spouse who was still living, because of the 7 year separation they would not have been guilty of bigamy.
You mentioned that you thought Mary Ann Wood was born in Texas. This puzzles me because according to the census she was born in Lancashire, England and her parents were Eli Wood and Mary Ann Rogers, who were married in Preston Lancashire in 1878.
I hope this is helpful. It has been very complicated to research so I would be pleased if you are able to add anything. Also if you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Happy to compare notes.
Luzzu :)
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Hi
Thanks for responding. our notes state that in 1898 he was still married to Edith and Robert married Mary Ann in 1903. That would make 5 years so bigamy is highly likely as have found nothing on divorce. Robert listed all children on his enlistment to Army in ww1.
As follows:
Sarah Pamela born 4th April 1900 picton, England.
Possibly born as result of another father before they met.
Mary Thurza 4th Jan 1907
James 11th April 1908
Robert 4th Feb 1912
John 7th Sept 1914
All born in Nelson, England.
Robert and Mary Ann married 28th March 1903 at Oldham,England
Address noted 17 Newport St Picton.
All info taken from WW1 enlistment in Royal Army.
Sean's grandfather is Robert Kenneth born 4th Feb 1912.
Robert, Mary Ann, and 2 youngest boy, Robert and John arrived from what
Dates we have noted...arrived in New Zealand approx 1920.
Shipping info yet to be found. All four are buried in Christchurch Cemetery NZ. As for Mary Ann her death information states born Texas,Usa.
Is it possible her family moved to England from U.S?
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Hi,
Robert and Edith were definitely estranged by by 1895. Robert and Edith had their last child together in 1894 and by July 1895 she was with Levi Brierley.
On the birth certificate for Archie Brierley, the name of the father is blank but Levi Brierley is the informant. If Archie was Robert's son, I think it very unlikely he would have been given the middle name of Brierley. Edith styles herself as Edith Veevers formerly Osborne. In 1896 when their next child is born, Levi Brierley is named as the father and Edith is now Edith Jenkins Brierley formerly Osborne.
I believe Levi and Edith didn't marry because a marriage would have been bigamous. By the time Robert and Mary Ann married in 1903 and Edith and Albert Pollard married also in 1903, Robert and Edith had been separated for more than 7 years. So although the marriages were illegal, they were not bigamous. Under the 7 year rule, if Robert and Edith had not seen each other and believed each other to be dead, they could remarry without the fear of prosecution. I have not found any evidence of divorce and believe divorce was uncommon at this time among the lower classes due to its expense.
On their marriage certificate dated 28 March 1903, both Robert and Mary Ann said they were widowed. Robert wasn't widower as Edith was still living. Not sure why Mary Ann said she was a widow though. Albert Pollard and Edith Osborne were married on 24 January 1903. Albert stated he was a widower which is correct but Edith said she was a spinster which she wasn't.
With regard to the reference to Texas, this is still a mystery. Mary Ann's father, Eli, was born in Preston and her mother, Mary Ann, was born in Liverpool according to the UK census. I haven't researched her parents any further back.
I think I might have found shipping information for their trip to New Zealand but need to look at this more detail so will get back to you on this.
Luzzu
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Hi again,
Re the shipping information. I think it is Robert, Mary Ann and their two eldest children, Mary Thurza and James. I hesitated because there is no mention of the younger children, Robert and John.
24 March 1920
Liverpool to Auckland
Paparoa 111346 The New Zealand Shipping Company
Mr R Veevers aged 46 (born 1874) - occupation weaver
Mrs M A Veevers aged 38 (born 1882) - occupation housewife
Miss M T Veevers aged 13 (born 1907) - scholar
Mr J Veevers aged 12 (born 1908) - scholar
The document says they are British passengers and they travelled 3rd class.
Luzzu
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Hi.
I found the shipping records as well. I thought strange however, We believe children of young age were not always recorded as passengers. We are going to NZ in 3 weeks which may shed more light. Mary Ann aged 20 lived with her mothers sisters, Charlotte, Lillie and Sarah. Mary ann Wood(Rogers) lost her husband Eli age 31 to cotton weaver lung disease. Mary Ann at 20 whilst living with her aunts had 11 month old Sarah Pamela born 1901. This is where she may have been a widow but, nothing found regarding that and child presumed illigitimate as child was absorbed into Veevers marriage in1903. I need some help with regards to Archie,hopwoid, Mabel and Ernest Veevers. I jave notes on Ernest as Ernest Charles Veevers Tattersall. Notes on Ernest and Mabel and possibly Beatice surnames being changed for travel. All 3 noted as leaving England under surname Tattersall for Alberta Canada. Ernest and Mabledeceased buried in Keephills Cemetery Alberta Canada. Thankyou so much for your help.
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Hi,
I have birth certificates for Archie Brierley, Hopwood, Ernest Charles Osborne, Mabel Alice and Beatrice May. Apart from Archie, their father is listed as Levi Brierley and in Archie's case the father's name is blank but Levi is the informant and Archie has Brierley as his middle name. I know they were recorded as Veevers in the 1901 census but I think they should have been Brierley. Levi wasn't with the family in 1901 but was a boarder elsewhere in Burnley.
So I have Edith's children with Robert Veevers:-
Peter Veevers born 1890
Unknown Veevers born and died 1892 (stillborn)
Osborne Veevers born and died 1894
and then with Levi Brierley I have Archie Brierley, Hopwood, Ernest Charles Osborne, Mabel Alice and Beatrice May;
and then with Albert Pollard I have Edith Edna, John Wilfred, Herbert Clare and Harry;
I don't have the name Tattersall in my research so would be interested to know where that comes from.
I would be interested in knowing the death and burial details in New Zealand and Canada to complete my notes.
Luzzu
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http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/interment.asp?surname=Veevers&firstname=&year1=&year2=
I will research the tattersall side. Great talking to you, thankyou. Will post more soon.
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In addition for your records,Robert Kenneth who is Sean's grandfather married a lady of Maori descent. We are also researching that side if your interested.