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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: illingworth on Wednesday 12 May 10 20:27 BST (UK)
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Babette was on the 1881 census in England she was aged 17. It said she was from Wuerttemberg. I only know her father was Michael a brewer. I would like help on finding out where she was born etc. I know about her life from 1881 on but not her past - parents siblings etc.
Thanks
Eva
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Hi Eva,
Came back in the pouring rain with the dogs and as it's a religious holiday here, Ascension, started looking for Babette Truckmüller. Ancestry played up at first but found one or two family trees with Babette on them, one no doubt is yours.
When I looked at the 1881 Census and saw she was working for Frederick Seege and family, I wondered if a connection could be found as very often families brought over relations from Germany to help in the house. This seems likely as Frederick Seege was a Pork Butcher.
Checked out Frederick and Louisa's marriage and found she is a Lindenberger and they married in Bradford in 1857. My great grandfather's sister, Louisa Pfisterer, married a Christian Lindenberger in 1860 in Bradford and I'm sure that they, Christian and Louisa Seege are siblings.
My great grandmother came from Kocherstetten, Künzelsau distict in B-W. and my great grandfather from Künzelsau probably so it could be that Babette Truckmüller was from this area, too.
If I find anything more definite I'll let you know.
Gill
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Hi Gill
Thanks for your reply. You say you have found a Babette Truckenmuller on one or two family trees - it does seem a possibility that one is mine - does the tree mention a Michael as her father - he was down as Michael a brewer on her marriage cert in 1888 in Bradford. I had searched for years for some mention of her before 1881 with no result. She is not on the 1871 so must have come over around 1881.
Do you think if she was a relative of Mrs Steege it would have been put down as such on the 1881 census rather than servant. You could be right as why would she come all the way to Bradford England at so young an age. I notice the other two servants also came from the same place - perhaps they all came over together.
Her daughters were Annie, Eva and Doris I wonder if these names figure in any of the family trees.
Thanks again - I look forward to hearing from you.
Eva
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Hi Eva
Sorry it's taken so long but printed out search on Truckenmüller and mislaid results.
However, searched again and found a Charles A Truckenmiller who married Anna Margaretha Schellmann 1899 in Wakefield, Yorkshire. That he married Anna Schellmann is proved in the 1901 Census showing his wife as Ann. Children Albert, Fred, Florrie and Annie born during 1901-1905.
A marriage certificate might give confirmation that he's Babette's brother. Charles died 1945 and Anne a little later.
There's also a Marie Truckenmüller who married Martin Sturm 1898 in Bradford. Proof is that there's a Lena Truckenmüller living with them on 1901 Census in Normanton, Yorks.
If you try BMD, FindMyPast and Ancestry use Tro / Tru and also miller, müller and muller.
My head is spinning with the variations - there are also dozens of them in the US. Never heard of the name before though.
Gill
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Hi Gill
Thanks for the information on the Truckenmillers/Truckenmullers. I have come across Marie before and got her marriage cert ages ago - her father was a different name than Babette's father so I discounted her. I do know about the Charles A Truckenmillers rather than the Truckenmullers but have never been able to tie them in with Babette - he is not on the 1881 census anywhere - she is the only Truckenmiller/Muller around then.
I've been trying to find out about her for years - she is a complete mystery - I do have her death cert and also her children's birth certs where she is listed as Miller/Truckenmullery, Elizabth Truckenmuller/Muller etc its a nightmare trying to find out about her.
There are supposed to be loads of them in Wuerttemberg but who knows which is mine!
I will get Charles A marriage cert but I don't hold out much hope.
Thanks again
Eva
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Hi Eva,
perhaps it would be worthwhile to order some Mormon films for Künzelsau.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08ti/
Unfortunately the parish of Künzelsau is not on Familysearch.
Good luck, Peonie
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Thank you Peonie for your e-mail.
Sorry, how do I go about ordering Mormon films for Kunzelsau - never done it before so don't really know what to do.
Bye
Eva
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hi Eva,
you have to find a Mormon - LDS History Centre where you live and then go there to order the film. Their prices are very reasonable. Go to http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp, click Library and then Family History Centres. It's quite easy and they are very friendly and helpful.
Regards Peonie
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Thanks Peonie
I've found out there is a LDS History centre where I live- not too far away from me. I will ring them up about details of prices and ordering and opening times.
Thanks again it might be the breakthrough I need for to find out about this elusive person.
Bye
Eva
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Hi Eva, Margaret Magdalene Catherine Truckenmueller (Lena) was born in Germany on 2 May 1872 and died in Wakefield in 1953. She was definitely the sister of Marie Sturm, ((1871-1951). They are identified as such in the 1911 census living at 54 Wakefield Road, Normanton. Lena was married to William Whitehead, a clerk in 1909, but he died. Her second husband was Joseph Whiteley Batty (1881-1977), a pork butcher and later a joiner from Warmfield, Wakefield. Joe was my wife's great uncle. Joe and Lena had a son, Walter (1916-1989) an Oxford graduate and teacher. Lena and Marie's father was George, a boot maker from Germany.
We assume Lena and Marie came to England in the 1890s, but not sure why or with whom. We have tried unsuccessfully to linked Lena and Marie with Christian, Charles and Babette, so if anyone can help that would be good. There are a lot of Truckenmuellers in Baden Wurtemburg, and clearly a number came to England, mainly in the pork butcher business. Perhaps it was easier to set up business in England. there were certainly a number of German pork butchers in Wakefield, eg Hofmann and Ziegler. Hope this helps.
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Further to my note to Eva, I have more information on the Truckenmuellers, or Truckenmiller as they were known. Charles Albert T. (1878-1945) was the brother of Magdalene (Lena) and her sister Marie. He must have been a successful Bradford pork butcher since he left £3847 in 1945! Charles married Anna Margaretha Schellman (1878-1931) at Normanton in 1899 and she was the daughter of George Sigismund Schellman. Their children were Albert George, Fred, Florrie, Annie and Alice (died at birth). Charles married second wife Elizabeth Martin in 1935.
Marie (1871-1951) married Martin Sturm (1868-1917, a Pork Butcher in 1898. He left just £88.
Their children were Joseph Frederick (died at birth), Marie, Amelia, Rosa Margaret (Rosie) and I think Genevieve??
I still search for a connection with Babette and Christian. His full name may have been John Christian. Hope this is of help to any other Truckenmueller researchers.
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Hello, I was taught at Leeds Grammar School by Walter Batty, who was the head of history when I was a pupil in the late 1960s and early 1970s. I visited him a couple of times at his home in Warmfield, where he lived with his very elderly father who still kept a couple of pigs and had some joinery equipment. I am intrigued that Walter's mother's first husband was a Whitehead, which is my surname. I don't suppose it's from my branch of the family, but wonder if you know anything more about William Whitehead?
Andrew Whitehead
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Hi Andrew
I am afraid I don't know anything about a William Batty.
I do know a Whitehead was married to a Crawshaw somewhere along my line.
Sorry I can't help you.