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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Miss Pookie on Wednesday 12 May 10 18:04 BST (UK)
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Jonna (Johannah) Jarrold is my great great great grandmother, born in Suffolk ?? 1819. She married Richard Stone in Islington 1843. They had 5 children ; William, Emily Alice, Alfred, Harry (Henry), and Charlotte. Richard went by "Falmouth Packet" to Australia in 1853 and Jonna followed with children (unassisted) in 1854. Apparently Richard and Jonna owned a Hotel in Ballarat or Bendigo, Victoria but i can't find anything on that, although they must have gotten a Publicans Licence ?? Richard kidnapped one of the boys, Harry ? and supposedly fled back to England with him. Jonna made a report to the local Police, but i also can't find anything on that either. I know Jonna died in Victoria , Australia and i can't find a death certificate anywhere !!! I was told she lived to a ripe old age ?? I have been told she is buried in Inglewood cemetery next to Charlotte, but again....can't find anything on that. The cemetery cant seem to help me either, despite my pleadings !!lol . If anyone can help me or guide me in the right direction i would be sincerely grateful.
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I know Jonna died in Victoria , Australia and i can't find a death certificate anywhere !!! I was told she lived to a ripe old age ?? I have been told she is buried in Inglewood cemetery next to Charlotte, but again....can't find anything on that
If you know the year of death,maybe someone on the Australia board can help with the above,just a thought :)
Celia
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Thanks Celia.
Unfortunately i don't know when she died. She was born in 1819 and i'm told by family she lived into her 90's, so i'm figuring somwhere in the 1900's . I will follow that through though. Do i just go to the Victorian cemetery board or something else?
Thanks again.
Sandra.
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Hi Miss Pookie,
Celia asked me to have a look at your request.
The Cemetery Trust can only give you details from their Burial register which is mandatory for all cemeteries in Victoria [and elsewhere] to maintain.
A quick search of the Victorian bdm's - I cannot see a death for a Johanna/Jonna STONE in Victoria to 1913.
You can search yourself - free to search but pay to view page/record.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria
Many Aussie chatters have resources to search for you. The information is the same as the online searches.
Are you in contact with the person below -
Inglewood Cemetery Trust
Mrs S Geyer
Secretary
12 Almond Avenue
Bridgewater Vic 3516
What is the source of your information...are sources noted?
What was Charlotte's surname and when did she die?
I have searched the Victorian Government Gazettes and nothing for a Richard STONE, publican, Ballarat or Bendigo. If they were in Ballarat or Bendigo during the goldrush there would have been many, many hotels. The STONE's do not appear on this index of 19thC publicans.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08o5/
You may like to search the online newspapers in case there was a snippet of news re Richard.
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
I will have a search of my own resources, directories etc. but will be away from my computer for a couple of days.
I will ask a moderator to move this request to the Australian Board where you will receive help.
Getting late for me...bedtime ;D
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Cando.
Thank you so very much for your message.
Johannah (Jonna) seems to be a very elusive lady but i feel this connection to her that drives me to keep trying to crack her and her family. My main goal at the end of all this is to find my original family crest. So i'll keep trying. :-\
I did contact Inglewood cemetery by e-mail about 8 months ago and quite sure it was Mrs S Geyer, she told me she couldn't help because there probably wouldn't be a stone left at the site and it would be too hard to find if there was !!!! End of help !!
Charlotte was a STONE, born 1849?? and died at age 32 in Victoria. She was a spinster.
As for the Hotel they supposedly owned, i have no more information on that. I was also told that Jonna ran a "Canvas Boarding House" on the Golfields to support herself and the children after Richard left.
I was also told that Jonna and the children came over to Australia on the ship "Thorswaldon" in 1855 but can't find anything on that either.
Most all of my information has come from a cousin (now deceased) of my Grandmother (now deceased) who was the son of Jonna's grand-daughter, Evelyn Ada Manning. Also my Uncle Hal (now deceased) apparently had a professional genealogist research for him in England and Ireland, which is where i got the information that we originate from the, (quoting the copy of the paperwork i have) - "Fitzgerald clan, Kings of Northern Ireland". Would LOVE to find out if that is true and then get the crest.
Thank you so much for all your help, even though i have been researching Jonna on and off for 10 years, this is the first time i have joined any sites, so it's all quite new to me. I am very pleasantly surprised at how so many people try to help me and eachother. It is fantastic !!
Now i'm off to keep searching !! I must try and get to bed before 2am tonight !! hahah
Sandra (Miss Pookie)
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I did contact Inglewood cemetery by e-mail about 8 months ago and quite sure it was Mrs S Geyer, she told me she couldn't help because there probably wouldn't be a stone left at the site and it would be too hard to find if there was !!!! End of help !!
The above statement does not make sense...the Secretary would search the burial registers not search for a headstone...unless you had made that request. Burial registers record the details of the burials and the grave locations.
Secretaries and members of cemetery trusts in rural Victoria are volunteers and you don't appear have Johanna's death certificate stating she was actually buried at Inglewood. The Secretary lives at Bridgewater and the cemetery is at Inglewood although the towns are quite close to one another. I am doubting that the person you contacted was the Secretary and am wondering who you emailed...the only email address mentioning Inglewood Cemetery, I can find is for Victorian Managed Insurance Authority for the cemetery and Inglewood Kindergarten. I am unable to locate an email address for the Trust.
I would suggest reading this link
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08on/
which includes a publication for sale 'Inglewood Cemetery Records' by Arthur Treble.
I have spoken to the Secretary's husband this morning and will phone her next week. He mentioned she has all the registers and would be more than happy to search for the burial record. Some of the pages of the registers are in a very fragile state.
Cheers
Cando
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Charlotte was a STONE, born 1849?? and died at age 32 in Victoria. She was a spinster.
I cannot find a death registration for a Charlotte STONE aged 32 years of age at death, in Victoria.
Is this Alfred yours - perhaps a mistranscribed mother's given name. Joan is certainly not a commonly occurring name in the 1860's. But ? born London.
STONE Alfred
Father Richard Mother Joan UNKNOWN
17 years born London 1868 Reg#3021
Do you have any certificates at all for your ancestors? Family stories are invaluable in family research but there are often errors.
Did the genealogist quote his sources of information and include copies of parish register entries in Ireland, in his 'paperwork' ?
Sorry about all the questions, but that is what family history research is all about. Only way we can proceed or help you.
Will post the result of my telephone call to the Trust Secretary next week when she returns home. Hopefully it will be good news :)
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Cando,
Sorry, could be my mistake about Mrs Geyer. I know i went to a site that had something to do with Inglewood cemetery, or possibly Ballarat/Bendigo and i think i then clicked on a few links (one of thousands over the years !!) and that is where i found whoever it was i e-mailed, who said they couldn't help me. I remember thinking at the time, "gee, that was a bit blase' of them !" and was very disheartened and perplexed. My apologies to Mrs Geyer. I just looked through ALL my e-mails i have saved for anything to do with my ancestry and couldn't locate the e-mail i sent, so i probably deleted it after they? offered no help.
I am more than happy to answer any of your questions, in fact i think it's great !! ;D I have searced everywhere for a death or birth/baptism (b. 1819 Halston, Suffolk England) certificate on Johannah or Charlotte or any of the family for that matter and can't find anything !! >: The Professional Genealogist that my Uncle hired did actually go to the Parishes etc. My Uncle lived and died in Malta and as to where the original book that the Genealogist did is.... i have no idea. The 'paperwork' i refered to is a one page copy of one page from the book. So i know that is definitely correct.
The Alfred that you found is not my Alfred (b.c 1851, Middlesex, Finsbury England. Christened,10 April 1851 St Andrew, Holborn. England). He apparently died at age 19 in a mining accident at the "Sir Willian Don" mine, Victoria, although that could have been their other son Henry ( b. 1845 or 1849 Surry, Lambeth England). I have a certified copy of Johannah and Richards original marriage certificate which i just received from England last week. I also have a original copy of a 1851 England Census of the whole family. I have a copy of the original marriage certificate of Johannah and Richards daughter, Emily Alice (b.1846. d.1925) to Henry Richard Manning (b.1837 d.1890) in Victoria 1863, which Johannah and Richard have signed as witnesses, (although Johannah signed with an "X" and under the name 'Jonna Jarrold ??) All the family called her Jonna, but what is unusual is that she was married to Richard so should have been a 'Stone' but signed it with her maiden name 'Jarrold' ???? Very odd !!! I also have a copy of an original "Order of the Black Knights of Ireland", which is Emily's husbands, Henry Manning, which is in Victoria, ( a lodge thing i think ). I am very confindent that Jonna, Alfred, Harry, Emily and Charlotte all died in Victoria.
WOW....sorry, i hope i haven't overwhelmed you with all the information. It just seems that i have a bundle full of info on all of them (apart from Jonna's birth cert. which i DESPERATELY want) from England but once they arrived in Australia (1855) there seems to be almost nothing !!! Very very wierd. I think she may have been trying to hide from Richard.
Looking forward to hearing from you and once again thank you so much for your help and guidance. :)
Sandra
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Hi Sandra
The 'paperwork' I refered to is a one page copy of one page from the book. So i know that is definitely correct.
Sandra
I would like to see the resources and references detailed eg the death of Alfred, if it was in Victoria, was incorrect.
You may have emailed the Victorian Managed Insurance that has an email address for the person who obviously is the contact person for the Trust insurance. She wouldn't be able to help you at all with cemetery/burial records.
This is your Alfred. There is no other Alfred STONE deaths in Victoria in Victoria between 1860 and 1884 of the right age - the other deaths were for children under 11 years of age. Who did the research and gave you this information?
http://www.ballaratgenealogy.org.au/miners/s.htm
STONE, Alfred
29 Apr 1868
Killed
Ballarat
Sir William Don
STONE Alfred
Father Richard Mother Joan UNKNOWN
17 years born London 1868 Reg#3021
Victorian Inquest Index
STONE Alfred
At Ballarat Ref#384
1868
Cause Injury Machinery
I think a few certificates are needed to validate the information you have been given.
Cheers
Cando
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Sandra I have just realised that Halston, Suffolk is in the same area that I have researched my OH's ancestors so will have look at my resources.
Sandra I am puzzled by your statement that Richard kidnapped his own child. Do you mean Richard returned to England and took his son with him. Were Richard and Johannah separated or divorced?
Cando
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I see they were married in 1843.
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Holy Trinity, Islington
19 Jun 1843
STONE Richard, 23 years Bachelor, Tallow ?handler. Buckinham Street, Strand. Father Richard Stone, Tallow ?handler.
GARROLD Johannah 24 years Spinster ?Foster Place Father William Garrold, Farmer
Richard signed the register but Johannah signed with a cross.
Is them on the 1851 census - Ref HO 107/154 ?
Living at Beauchamp Street, St Andrew Holborn
STONE Richard Married Head 31 years Clerk out of work born Middlesex, Westminster
STONE Johannah Married Wife 31 years b. Suffolk, Halston
STONE William Son 7 years b. Surrey Lambeth
STONE Alice Dau 5 years b. Surrey, Lambeth
STONE Henry Son 2 years b. Surrey, Lambeth
STONE Alfred Son 3 mos b. Middlesex, Finsbury
Gosh I am not having a good day....the ship FALMOUTH PACKET or just FALMOUTH is not listed on either the Unassisted or Assisted indexes arriving in Victoria. Perhaps Richard arrived in another state. I can't see Johannah and children arriving as Unassisted Immigrants in Victoria from 1854 to 1855. Sandra do you know where they landed in Aus?
Cando
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Hi
Two of the children's baptisms
8th April 1844 St John the Evangelist Lambeth Surrey born 19th March 1843
William Richard Stone parents Richard and Johnannah, Gibson Street, father's occupation oilman
10th April 1851 St Andrew Holborn Middlesex born 6th January
Alfred Kelly Stone parents Richard and Johanna, Beauchamp Street, father's occupation merchant's clerk
The marriage appears as Jarrold but since Johnannah signed with a cross that would be the clerk's interpretation of how to spell the surname from how it was pronounced presumably with a Suffolk accent. Richard's occupation was tallow chandler.
On the 1851 census there are Jarrolds born Harleston Suffolk but not Garrolds
1851 census HO107 1794 folio 481
Great Finborough Suffolk
William Jarrold 57 Head Married Gamekeeper Onehouse Suffolk
Mary Jarrold 68 Wife Married Harleston Suffolk
Elijah Jarrold 15 Son Shelland Suffolk
HO107 1794 folio ?
Church Lane Stowmarket Suffolk
Joseph Jarrold 30 Head Married Bricklayer's labourer Harlston Suffolk
Charlotte Jarrold 28 Wife Married Buxlayer? Suffolk
William Jarrold 6 Son Onehouse Suffolk
Robert Jarrold 5 Son Finborough Suffolk
Mary Ann Jarrold 2 Daughter Stowmarket Suffolk
1841 census HO107 1035/4 folio 6
Park Great Finborough Suffolk
William Jarrall 45 Gamekeeper
Mary Jarrall 46
Joseph Jarrall 18 Ag lab
Job Jarrall 12
Mary Anne Jarrall 9
Elijah Jarrall 6
all born Suffolk
Regards
Valda
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Jonna STONE link
Victorian BDM.
Birth -Jane Leisk STONE ,father (blank), mother Jonna STONE, place INKE (Possibly Inkerman,(just north of Dunolly)in 1863 (BDM reg no.7611)
Logan
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Hi
1841 census HO107 739/6 folio 13
Buckingham Street St Martin in the Fields Westminster Middlesex
Richard Stone 55 Tallow Chandler not born Middlesex
Elizabeth Stone 40 not born Middlesex
Richard Stone 20
Edward Stone 15 not norn Middlesex
plus 1 female servant
Adult ages, those over 15, usually rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census
1851 census HO107 1481 folio 270
27/28 Buckingham Street St Martin in the Fields
Richard Stone 69 Head Married Tallow Chandler Herefordshire
Elizabeth Stone 59 Wife Married Buckinghamshire
Mary Ann Stone 31 Daughter St Martin in the Fields
Elizabeth Stone 15 Daughter St Martin in the Fields
plus 2 servants
RICHARD STONE
Christening: 26 MAR 1820 Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster, London
Father: RICHARD STONE
Mother: HANNAH
28 Buckingham Street
Father's occupation Tallow Chandler
siblings all the children of Richard and Hannah, all baptised St Martin in the Fields
THOMAS STONE - 13 DEC 1818
WILLIAM STONE - 23 SEP 1821
MARY ANN STONE - 18 MAY 1823
HENRY STONE - 17 APR 1825
HANNAH STONE - 05 NOV 1826
ELIZABETH STONE - 25 MAY 1828
plus half sibling
ELIZABETH STONE
Christening: 03 JAN 1836 Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster, London
Father: RICHARD STONE
Mother: ELIZABETH
Regards
Valda
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Alfred Stone, poor lad.
The Argus Friday 1st May 1868 page 5.
A very shocking accident, which resulted in the instantaneous death of a lad named Alfred Stone, occurred at the plant of the Sir William Don Company, Ballarat on Wednesday morning. Stone, who was about seventeen years of age, was employed at the buddles, of which there are two, and it appears that having to oil the pinion and crown wheels, he passed over from one buddle to the other without going down one ladder and up another, as was usually done. He placed one foot on the crown-wheel, and not stepping off it quickly enough, the pinion-wheel caught him, and he was whirled round. A man working in the buddle-house heard deceased cry out once, and on seeing his position threw the machinery out of gear. The lifeless body then fell into the buddle, and it was found that the deceased had been almost cut completely through the middle.
A 'buddle' is a machine used to wash crushed ore.
Logan.
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Sorry Cando,
I thought you meant that my Alfred was born 1868, then i realised that was the date of his accident. I would say you are spot on with that !! You found him !!
As for the Johannah GARROLD that you found - that makes perfect sense from what family have told me. Apparently we originate from the 'Fitzgerald' clan of Northern Ireland and there were a few variations through the years of the surname, some of them being Garrold, Gerald, Jarrel, Jarrol, Jarrald and Jarrold. Oh my....sooooo confusing. It wouldn't be so bad if they changed their name and then stuck to that but then they would change it again and again. Jonna was even worse for also changing her first name over and over. I've found her under Joanna, Johanna, Johannah, Hannah and Jonna and now you may have found her under Joan ???? ooooohhhh weeee...no wonder i'm going crackers !! ;D
As for the kidnapping of Henry, I have a handwritten letter from my nan's cousin, Jack Manning (dec) which states that his mum, (Jonna's grandaughter) hated Richard and she remembers her mum (Emily Alice) sneering and calling Richard "His Nibs" and never refered to him by name. The story is that he kidanpped Henry and fled back to England but i don't know when. Jonna apparently called the police and there was a report made but they said they couldn't do anything.
I don't know if Jonna and Richard seperated or divorced, maybe that might explain why she signed her maiden name on Emily Alice's marriage certificate. But, Emily and Henry Manning marrried in 1863 and Richard signed the cert. so it must have been after that, that he fled with Henry.
The same letter i have from Jack is where is say's about "Falmouth Packet" (1853) and Jonna and the children "Thorswaldon"(1854). I have no idea at what port or state they arrived at in Australia. But as you, i haven't been able to find any info on those ships.
Sandra ;D
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Sandra perhaps a re-read of the excellent information posted by Valda and Logan :)
Sandra it would appear that the marriage of Emily was in 1862 not 1863.
STONE Emily Alice
MANNING Henry Richard
1862 Reg#1848
and the we have the birth of a Jane STONE in 1863 as posted by Logan.
Victorian BDM.
Birth -Jane Leisk STONE ,father (blank), mother Jonna STONE, place INKE (Possibly Inkerman,(just north of Dunolly)in 1863 (BDM reg no.7611)
I wonder if Richard was still in Victoria at the time of this birth. Johannah's illiteracy may be the reason for the variations in the spelling of her surname and probably her given name. Valda and I have both mentioned that Johannah signed with her mark - a X on her marriage certificate/registration. You have mentioned she signed her name on Emily's marriage certificate. Would you have another look at the certificate and check it doesn't have an X near the name. Is her name in the same handwriting as the rest of the certificate.
I will post any information after my phone call on Monday.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Valda.
Thanks for that info. I only had Richard's fathers name not his mother and i had no idea if he had siblings but it looks like you found it !! And....a half sibling !!! Sordid stuff !! ;D Fantastic !!
As for the 'oilman' occupation for Richard, that made me giggle. Family has told me that his family was quite 'well to do' but Richard was a 'waster' but pretended to be upper crust and often told fibs about what his profession was. 'Oilman' is a new one i can add to his list !!! ;D
Cheers
Sandra ;D
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Hi Logan
Oh my gosh !!! Does this mean Jonna had another child ???? :o
What state is Inkerman, Dunolly in ??
Wow !! this is an interesting discovery you have made that i can look up.
What site did you get this info from?
As for the story you found on Albert in The Argus......it brought me to tears :'( Poor young Albert, it must have been terrifying for him. Heartbreaking story. Do you know if i can get a copy of the story from the Argus ?
What fantastic new information you have uncovered :)
Thank you
Sandra
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Dunolly is in Victoria. Try google maps
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
The Argus in online at
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
Here is a link to the news item
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/221141?zoomLevel=3
The news item is in the fifth column.
Cando
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Hi Cando,
You were right. Emily married in 1862 not 63 as i had put!! ooops !!
I've had another look at the marriage cert of Emily and Henry and there is a no "X" next to Jonna's signature. The writing of her signature is different to all the rest on the cert. it is quite large writing and and stretches from one end of the space to the other, wheres Richards is quite tidy and fluid.
Why she signed it with her maiden name is puzzling tho. Maybe she and Richard seperated !!?? And maybe the daughter that she had in 1863 that Logan found is not Richards and maybe thats why he left with Henry !!!???? Am i just clutching at straws now ??? hahahaha :)
Sandra ;D
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Sorry should have said what State, Inkerman is in.
It is in Victoria, in what was/is called the 'golden triangle', due to the amount of gold discovered in the region.
If you use a map say like google maps, it is just north of Maryborough, Dunolly is just north of Maryborough and then Inkerman is a local area just north of Dunolly, there is no township there now.
This will get you to a digitised image of The Argus newspaper article.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/221141?zoomLevel=1
Look in column 5.
Logan.
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Hi
LEISK, Jane
SOWLSBY, Robert
Marriage Place:Inkerman
1885 Victoria
Regards
Valda
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I hope you don't mind me correcting the last information Valda :)
The index does not give the place of marriage, it is the place of birth. In this case it shows Jane LEISK was born Inkerman and and the reverse search shows Robert SOWLSBY was born Jones Creek.
Cheers
Cando
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JOHANNAH STONE - List of unclaimed letters at the Lamplough Post Office, published in the Maryborough and District Advertiser on the 15th February 1860.
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~adhs/LetterS.html
Lamplough is west of Maryborough, Victoria,Australia.
Logan.
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Hi Cando
I don't mind in the least but I did copy exactly what was stated in the index I have access to
LEISK, Jane
CM 553577
SOWLSBY, Robert
Marriage Place:Inkerman
1885
Victoria
Ref Number:1723
The reverse entry gives me
SOWLSBY, Robert
CM 918983
LEISK, Jane
Marriage Place:Inkerman
1885
Victoria
Ref Number:1723
There is a birth on the birth index
SOWLSBY, Robert
CB 1932580 Birth
Father:George
Mother:Moroney Jane
Event Place:Jones Ck
1861
Victoria
Ref Number:4395
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda
I don't think your resource is the 'usual' one that is used for most of the searches in Victoria.... My resource is the same as the online indexes at the Victorian Dept of Justice birth, deaths and marriages.
Perhaps you have the resource published by familysearch.org that is not allowed to be sold in Australia. It would be interesting to see their marriage certificate to see where they were married. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the nearest town, Dunolly.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Cando
Carrying on with my more 'unusual source'
SOULSBY, George
Father:Robert
Mother:Leisk Jane
Event Place:Tara
1886
Victoria
SOULSBY, Robert Magnus
Father:Robert
Mother:Leick Jane
Event Place:Tarnagulla
1888
Victoria
George was Robert's father's name and obviously Robert his own, but Magnus is a bit more interesting
LEISK, Magnus
Father:U
Mother:Robertson Joanna
Age at Death:44
Birthplace:U
1880
Victoria
It may just be a co-incidence but Leisk doesn't appear to be a particularly common surname in Victoria
Regards
Valda
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The marriage of Jane LEISK born Inkerman and Robert SOWLSBY born Murphy's Flat and both resident at Murphy's Flat at time of the marriage, was conducted at St John's Church of England Church, Dunolly on 23 June 1885. Robert LEISK was a witness. Parents of Jane - Robert LEISK and Jane LEISK maiden name GILBERT.
Australian Electoral Roll
1903,1909 Victoria Grampians Inglewood
LEISK Robert Rheola Contractor
Perhaps he was living with his daughter Jane.
1903,1909
SOULSBY Jane Rheola Postmistress
SOULSBY Robert Rheola Hotelkeeper
Extracted parish record - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bq/
LEISK Robert
Birth 29 Oct 1829
Baptism 15 Nov 1829 Nesting, Shetland, Scotland.
Father Robert LEISK Mother Johanna ROBERTSON
Death
LEISK Robert
Father unknown Mother Johanna ROBERTSON
At Rheola 1911 Reg#6589
Robert is buried at Rheola Cemetery and there is a headstone. The lovely and helpful Carol will email you a photo of the grave...her email address is on the website.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ausvsac/Rheola.htm
There is a marriage in Victoria of a Robert LEISK b. Scotland to Elizabeth DAVIES b. Tasmania in 1883. Their son Robert Magnus b. 1886 moved to Tasmania where he married in 1920. Robert was their first born, one of six children born at Tarnagulla, Vic.
As Valda has commented, there are very few LEISK events on the Vic bdm's - 14 in total to 1920.
Magnus was born 1835 Nesting, Shetland, Scotland one of eight children to Robert LEISK and Johanna/Jean ROBERTSON.
More info than you need but interesting.....I would think that Robert b. 1829 is the father of Jane and your Johanna/Jo* G/JARROLD.
Jane and Robert SOULSBY had 8 children. I will type them up if you wish.
Death
SOULSBY Jane
Father ??Soulsby Robert Leisk Mother Jane UNKNOWN
At Inglewood 61 years 1924 Reg#5884
SOULSBY Robert
Father Soulsby George Mother Jane MORONEY
At Inglewood 70 years 1931 Reg#5577
Jane and Robert are also buried at Rheola Cemetery. You could request a photo of their headstone also...if you wish :)
Cheers
Cando
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There are numerous references to Robert and Magnus in the Victorian Government Gazettes in connection with their leasing of land and non payment of rental.
I wondered what happened to Eliza DAVIES who married Robert LEISK in 1883. She appears in the Tasmanian Government Gazettes - as occupant at the following addresses -
1903
LEISK Eliza 45 Barrack Street, Hobart
1905
LEISK Eliza 3 McRae Terrace, Smith Street, Hobart Property owned by Hobart Benevolent Society.
Evidence would suggest that Jane who used the surname LEISK was raised by Robert. I wonder what happened to Johanna G/JARROLD. Does any of your information include registration references?
Cheers
Cando
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So a summary of the Australian connection.
Johannah JARROLD (GARROLD) known as JONNA.
1819 -birth Johanna (Jonna) JARROLD,GARROLD (now known she makes her mark -possibly illiterate)
1820- Richard STONE born to Richard STONE a Tallow Chandler.
1843- marriage to Richard STONE (19 JUNE 1843 at Holy Trinity Islington) Richard was 23 years of,father Richard STONE. Johannah GARROLD aged 24,father Willam GARROLD.
?- birth of William STONE.
1846- birth of Emily Alice STONE (b1846,d1925).
?- birth of Alice STONE.
?- birth of Henry (aka Harry)
1849?- birth of Charlotte, later died as a Spinster, aged 32?
1851- birth of Alfred STONE,(b1851 born London, d1868) he died in mining accident aged 17years 1st May 1868. (Death register,father Richard, mother Joan UNKNOWN, reg no. 3021).
1852 - RICHD STONE, vessel THOMAS LOWRY, Sept 1852, age 32, (Immigration to Victoria 1852-1879; code B, fiche 006, page 005 sailed for Australia.
1854- Johannah STONE with children supposed to have sailed for australia.
1860-unclaimed letter Lamplough, Victoria. for a Johannah STONE.
1862- Emily Alice marriage (bdm reg no. 1848) to Henry Richard MANNING (b1837,d1890), johannah placed her mark under the name - Jonna JARROLD. Jonna would have been 43, maybe even pregnant?
1863- birth of Jane Leisk STONE,father (blank),mother Jonna STONE,place Inkerman (bdm reg no.7611) Jonna would be about 44years old.
1885- A Jane LEISK marries Robert SOWLSBY (SOULSBY) at Dunolly (thanks Cando) born at Inkerman (bdm reg no. 1723) no reference to surname STONE. Jonna would have been about 66 years old.
1924- Jane SOULSBY dies Inglewood, age 61. (bdm reg no. 5884),father Robert Leisk, mother Jane UNKNOWN.
So Johannah has been recorded as Jonna,Jean,Jane,Johanna,Johannah.
Shipping working on :)
A very interesting 'lass'.
Hope you are able to find more.
Logan :)
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1885 Jane LEISK married at St John's Church Dunolly. The resource that is not available for sale in Australia has noted the place of marriage as Inkerman...who ever transcribed the information from the marriage records to their database has made an error. The only reference to Inkerman on the certificate was place of birth for Jane. I doubt very much if there was ever a church at Inkerman - a rural locality only with the same post code as Dunolly. I have driven through the area many times.
It is annoying when resources which are only indexes afterall, give inaccurate information.
Off the soap box again ;D
Cando
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Hi
JANE and ROBERT SOULSBY are buried at Rheola Cemetery.
Rheola is about 20 kilometres south west of Inglewood.
Soulsby Jane aged 61at Rheola 31Mar1924
Soulsby Robert aged 70 Rheola 26May1931
There are 8 other SOULBY's listed that I can see there.
Sue
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Sue have listed this along with the email contact for photos. ;D Robert LEISK is also buried there.
Cheers
Cando
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When MAGNUS LEISK (farmer) died in 1880, he left his estate entirely to his brother ROBERT LEISK (farmer) who was also the executor of the Will.
Sue
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Info in Government Gazettes, Postal directories etc. show Magnus and Robert to be farmers. Snippets about land leases and rents and rents in arrears etc. Robert was also listed as a farmer in Postal directories. They were brothers.
Cheers
Cando
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Thanks Logan,
Just finished laughing about your comment on Jonna being an "interesting lass" !!!
My impression from my family about Jonna is that she was a sweet but tough lady, who was done very wrong by Richard !! Well.......all this new info puts quite a different light on the whole matter. Me thinks Jonna only told people what she wanted them to know, which may not have neccessarily been the truth !! ;)
Cheers
Sandra ;D
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Hope i am not asking too much, especially after all the juicy information you have all uncovered for me but....... would anyone be willing to help me find who Jonna's parents and grandparents were ??
I found something but think it may be wrong.
A William Jarrold (Jarrol) married Jemima Bridge 10th April 1810. Withersdale? Suffolk.
This info was what i found on ancestry.com.
I know Jonna's father was William but not sure if this marriage applies to my side of the family, although i think i remember seeing somewhere that Jonna's mothers name was Gemima (with a 'G' ).
I think Jonna had a sister named Jemima but not positive. I have no idea who Jonna's Grandparents are and aren't sure where to look or how to connect it all. It all gets a bit too confusing for me !! :)
Hope you can help :)
Thanks
Sandra ;D
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Richard STONE to Australia on board the Falmouth packet.
A 'Falmouth packet' is actually a 'type' of ship. A packet ship was employed to carry Post Office mail to and from British colonies etc, from Falmouth Station in Cornwall.
However, the last Falmouth packet finished in 30th April 1851. This was then replaced with contract carriers that already ran services to other colonies. These were then termed 'Packet' ships
Richard probably sailed to Australia on a 'Packet' ship.
This will give you more information regarding Falmouth Packet.
http://www.xjt60.dial.pipex.com/
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Mr STONE, vessel AUSTRALASIAN PACKET, July 1852, age 27, (Immigration to Victoria 1852- 1879; code F, fiche 003, page 001. ) (thank you Cando)
but another fits with his age -
RICHD STONE, vessel THOMAS LOWRY, Sept 1852, age 32, (Immigration to Victoria 1852-1879; code B, fiche 006, page 005.
Logan. :)
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Hi
26th April 1849 St George, Bloomsbury
Henry Riches, Full, Bachelor, Steward, Thrigby Norfolk, John Riches, Farmer
Jemima Jarrold, Full, Spinster, Stowmarket, William Jarrold, Farmer
Both signed
Witnesses Richard Stone and Caroline Bull
Jemima doesn't appear on censuses post her marriage.
There is a tree on the web which shows a Jemima Jarrold baptised in Halston 27th June 1824 (also on IGI -BTs) the daughter of William and his wife Mary nee Pammenton/Parmenter marriage 8th December 1813 Onehouse Suffolk. Johnannah is not mentioned as a sibling on this tree (which appears to be relying on information from the IGI). This is the family I have already given the census information for. Johannah on the 1851 census stated her age as 31 and her birth as in Halston Suffolk.
Halston as far as I can see is Harleston
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harleston,_Suffolk
The IGI has less good coverage of Suffolk with some of the coverage is Bishops Transcripts (copies of the registers made yearly to the Bishop, not all of which survive or were made in the first place). The BTs for Suffolk on the IGI are often not sourced to a parish.
The IGI has these two baptisms
David Jarrold baptised 18th June 1815 parents William and Jemima
Hannah Jarrold baptised 1st June 1819 parents William and Gemima
There is on the 1851 census a David Jarrold in Risby Suffolk of about the right age born Risby. There are burials in Risby for a William Jarrold in 1848 aged 65 and a Jemima Jarrold in 1846 aged 66. A Hannah Jarrold was buried in Risby aged 13 in 1832.
Other than a burial of a Jemima Jarrold in 1828 aged 79, these are the only two burials of Jemima Jarrolds in Suffolk for this period.
The information confirms most of what seems to have been already asked on the Suffolk Rootschat board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=210400.msg3170661;topicseen
The Hannah Jarrold who was buried in Risby in 1840 was aged 59. The 1832 is the more likely date.
Johnannah's Australian death certificate may confirm her mother's name or the Harleston parish registers her baptism.
Regards
Valda
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Johnannah's Australian death certificate may confirm her mother's name or the Harleston parish registers her baptism.
Valda
And therein lies the problem....so far we have not located a death in Victoria for Johannah or her dau Charlotte, who according to family lore, are buried in the same grave at Inglewood Cemetery, Victoria. Hopefully my phone call tomorrow will help. Some of the pages of the registers are quite fragile and a death date would save unnecessary searching.
Having a look at another resource for the arrival of Richard STONE -
Richard Stone b.c1824
Arrived Dec 1852 Port Phillip Bay, Australia from Plymouth on the GLORIANA Nationality English
I don't see this arrival on the immigrant arrivals in Victoria database. I wonder if it is a crew member on a cargo ship.
The Richard STONE who sailed on the AUSTRALASIAN PACKET sailed from Cape Town, Cape of Good Hope.
Cando
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Logan !!!!!!
That's It !!!! The THOMAS LOWRY !! I vaguely remembered something about that so i went back to a letter from a relative. In it it say's that, quote - "the ship the Thomas Lowry is somehow connected with Jonna or Richard." So hooray !!.... at last something right from family.
In the letter it said that Richard was a 'waster' and sent by Falmouth packet to Australia. It then went on to say that he worked for his passage on the ship.
Wonderful stuff you have found, i am absoloutely wrapped with it all !!
Thanks ;D
Sandra
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Hi Valda'
I went back to some of the things i have collected off the net and i found a copy i had of the marriage between Jemima Jarrold and Henry Riches which is signed by Richard Stone !! The same one you have found, so at least i know i may be on the right path. ;)
So....Wiilliam and Jemima are Jonna's parents ?? And, David is her brother ??? Who is the Hannah ?? Could she be Jonna's sister, maybe twin ????? I have Jonna as being born 1819. I am frantically looking through all of my stuff because i am sure i have something that says Jonna's birthdate as 1st June 1819, same as Hannah !! We know that Hannah can't be Jonna, because you found a death date for Hannah at age 13, 1832. Interesting.
Sandra :)
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Hi
William and Jemima lived in Rigsby.
William and Mary had children in Harleston including a daughter called Jemima. Johannah stated she was born in Halston not Rigsby.
What is your evidence for Johnanah's mother being called Jemima and not Mary?
Regards
Valda
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Back to the Australian connection and the descendants of Richard and Jonna
The digitised will of Jane Soulsby, postmistress of Rheola, d 31 Mar 1924 with bequests (land, ninety sheep) to her husband Robert, storekeeper, and money to her children All with surname Soulsby, except for Ma(r?)y Alice Catts - Elsie Jane, Ruby Catherine, Thomas Stanley, Ernest Roy, George, Robert Magnus, Bertie Clarke, James Francis Bruce.
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=54
Also Letters of administration granted to Robert SOULSBY for a soldier William Henry SOULSBY, Rheola d 25 April 1917. The digitised WW1 record for him shows his birthplace as Inglewood. Sadly, Killed in Action in France.
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx
There are quite few mentions of SOULSBY in the NLA digitised newspapers:
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
Judith
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Here is a contact for Inglewood District Historical Society, 91 Southey Street Inglewood 3517, contact Kevin Poyser at * He is very helpful.
I am a professional researcher in the central victorian goldfields district, if you require more indepth research let me know, however, as I have had lots of help from Rootschatters in my own family research I am happy to have a quick look see in the local records. I'll let you know if anything turns up.
Shirley
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Hi,
I am trying to contact Miss Pookie. I am also a great great great grand daughter of Johanna Jarrold. I have recently started looking into the family tree and I have found everyone"s posts on Johanna most interesting and helpful in my search. My grandfather was Jack Manning who I believe was helpful in your search. I would be grateful for any further information that has been found since the last post. I spent most of my life listening to my grandfathers stories of the family and only wish with hindsight that I had been able to write some of it down. He was a great family historian with many photos and stories. Unfortunately I moved away when I got married and my mother also moved to country WA. In his last years my grandfather developed Alzheimer's and we are only just realizing how much of the family history disappeared while no one realized what was going on. So here I am trying to trace it and recall some of his stories.
I hope Miss Pookie (Sandra) can help.
Regards
Donna
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Hi Donna and welcome to RC,
Miss Pookie hasn't been on RC since last year.
You need to make three posts and then you can send and receive personal messages from her.
Jamjar
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The same letter i have from Jack is where is say's about "Falmouth Packet" (1853) and Jonna and the children "Thorswaldon"(1854). I have no idea at what port or state they arrived at in Australia.
The THORSWALDON had left England by 13 Aug 1854 for Port Philip.
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Richard STONE complained about the refusal of the Accident Fund to compensate him for his son's death BUT he had deserted his wife and the MANNING's were supporting the lad's sister. The Accident Fund gave the £20 to Mr Manning to be held in trust for the lass.
A must read for the STONE family researchers.
Letter to the Editor
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article113845273
Fund's response
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article113845281
Cando
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I don't recall seeing this thread back in 2010 and have just found a mention of Robert LEISK in Trove.
He had hotel licenses.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?l-state=Victoria&q=%22Robert+LEISK%22
Essie
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Yes I think I mentioned the headstone at Rheola cemetery in one of the posts.
Lots more has become available on TROVE since 2010.
Cando
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http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article66324519
The Star, Ballarat 2 Jun 1862
MARRIAGE.
On the 31st May, Emily Alice Stone, eldest daughter of Mr Richard Stone, late of London, to Henry Manning, third son of Mr Mr Richard Manning, of London.
Cando
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I had an interesting find today while looking at the cemeteries in Victoria. I could find very little information from the Inglewood Cemetery so decided to look at the Ballarat and Bendigo Cemeteries. While looking through the online Data I found a Charlotte Stone. She died in January 1879. I also found a Jane Stone Who died in May 1879. They are buried at White Hills Cemetery Bendigo. While this may defunct the theory Johanna lived to a ripe old age as she would have been 59, also they are not in the same grave but are close together. Do you think it is possible that this may be Johanna and her Daughter?
I have no information at all on Charlotte!
Goody :-\
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A good idea to have a search of the Vic deaths online ;)
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj
STONE Charlotte
Father Thomas TRICKER Thomas Mother Ann Elizabeth
1879 29 years Born Africa Reg#3334
STONE Jane
Father John HORSAM Mother Ann SPLATT
1879 78 years Born Devonshire Reg#5145
How do you know that grave#8565 and #5965 are close together?
Cando