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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: Aussie Pom on Wednesday 12 May 10 09:51 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am researching the CARR family for my friend and have got back to Thomas CARR and Mary SKINNER who married in 1775 in Marlesford. They had the following children:
Mary b1776
Maria b 1778
Richard b 1780
Richard b 1786 (this is who her tree decends from)married Maria MATTON 1826 in Marlesford
James b 1789
Marlesford is apparently a small village and according to records i found, in 1870 there were 412 residents and 95 houses, so i can only assume a hundred years before that it would have been far less.
I also found a Thomas CARR who married Catherine MARKIN in 1764 in Marlesford. They had the following children:
Thomas b 1770
Catherine b 1764
Martha b 1766
Martha b 1768
The only birth close i can find is a Thomas CARR christened 1745 Framlingham. Father Joseph & Mother Elizabeth or maybe a Thomas CARR christened 1729 Kersey, Suffolk. Father John & mother Lucy. But i think Kersey is further away.
What i am wondering is that could Thomas CARR married Catherine MARKIN first in 1764 and then she possibly died (can't find any records) and then he remarried Mary SKINNER in 1775? . Could it just be the one Thomas? Reasons are that none of the children have the same names and also if he did remarry, the birth of the last child of the first marriage (with Catherine MARKIN) was in 1770 and the first child of the second marriage to Mary SKINNER was born in 1776.
Any help would be appreciated as i have kind of hit a brick wall and can't go any further back.
:) :) :)
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Hi
Think you could be right about Thomas being married twice - a Catherine Carr was buried at Marlesford 13/7/1772 (no ages given then).
Annette
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Hi
Thanks for the info...Do you have any other details of BMD's for the CARR's??
I found the following burials at St Andrew, Marlesford:
Charles Carr 1833
James Carr 1856
Maria Carr 1843
Mary Carr 1837
I was wondering where Richard CARR might be buried? He was the husband of Maria. He died in 1847 in the Plomsgate registration district.
Also, Thomas CARR was married to Mary CARR who died in 1837. Do you have any record of his death or burial??
Thanks :)
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Hi,
I can't help with the burial of Richard Carr but this might be the burial of Mary;
11-5-1837 Mary Carr (age 87).*
The only Thomas Carr's in the Suffolk Burial Index are;
9-11-1851 age 77 Buried Wenhaston, St.Peter
28-4-181883 age 62 " Lowestoft, St.Margartet
Alan
Edit; * Sorry you have already been given Mary's burial by Annette
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NBI doesn't show Richard Carr 1847 I'm afraid.
Besides the 4 burials you mention, plus the Catherine Carr I found, there are only 2 others I could find at Marlesford.
Maria Carr 26 bur. 1/12/1806
Martha Carr inf. bur.28/12/1766
No Thomas Carr burial at Marlesford - the only one to fit re. ages/time of death is a Thomas Carr bur.10/2/1830 aged 80 at Rickinghall Superior but that's all I can find.
Annette
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The best thing to do is to obtain Richard Carr's death certificate and that will give date of death. Then you can maybe look at local parishes for a burial.
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Hi
Thanks for the additional information. Much appreciated! :)
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One of my lines is from Mary Carr daughter of Thomas/Mary,Bapt.11Feb.1776,Marlesford
and who married Daniel Smith 19Dec.1796 at Marlesford.Therefor sister to the Richard
Carr you are researching.
Have a little information to add to what you know.
Banns of marriage between Thomas Carr,Widower,O.T.P. and Mary Skinner O.T.P.were
read on 5th/12th/19th Feb 1775 at Marlesford.
Mary Skinner Bapt.25thOct.1750,Marlesford,daughter John Skinner/Jane.
John Skinner ,Widower,married Jane Fouldger 23 April 1750.
Have not located buriel of Thomas Carr
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Hi Arumlily
Thanks so much for the info!!! :) :)
It is interesting to see that when Thomas Carr married Mary Skinner he was a widower. I did wonder if that could be possible, as i had found a Thomas Carr married to a Catherine Markin...as you have probably previously read about on this thread.
I will be visiting Marlesford in August this year and may also go to the Registrars office in Ipswich to see if i can find out anything else.
I did find a christening for a Thomas Carr c 16/11/1745 in Framlington. Father Joseph & Mother Elizabeth. This would mean he would have been 19 when married to his first wife, Catherine in 1764 in Marlesford??...
I also found a Thomas & Martha CARR family from Gislingham, Suffolk who had 12 children from 1692-1715 and they had a John, Martha, Mary, James, Thomas, Robert, William, Richard, Elizabeth & Henry, so the same names as Thomas and Mary Skinner used.
Did any of your CARR family immigrate to Australia? I found heaps of CARR's at the goldfields in Victoria, two of which were your Mary CARR/SMITH's nephews in about 1852.
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Moving from Framlingham to Marlesford would not have been too great a distance. We have 'cousins' in the USA whose branch of the Bridges family left Framlingham for Marlesford, before emigrating. There is a direct road between the two places.
Pat ...
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From Framlingham PRs
Thomas son of Joseph and Elizabeth, christened 29th September 1745
Margaret, dau of Joseph and Elizabeth, christened 17th May 1747
I checked the next few years and no more Carr children to this couple – could they have then moved to Marlesford?
Checked the burials, and neither child listed so presumably they survived :-)
Pat ...
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I have been to Marlesford and have ancestors from there but have not come across any Carr's. Have you sent off for Richard's 1847 death cert?
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My main focus has been on the line of Maria,daughter of Mary Carr/Daniel Smith bapt 1800 who married Charles Hall 1819 at Marlesford.
So no,have not followed up on issue of Richard Carr/Maria(nee Matten) except for checking acouple of Census records.
The 1841 Census lists (along with other issue to Richard/Maria Carr) a Mary Carr1yr..She is on 1851 Census of North Green Parham as Neice to Robert Warn,61yrs.born Kettleburgh and Mary Warn,50y
born Rendham.
Robert Warn of Parham married Mary Matten O.T.P. 28th Dec1812 at Marlesford.
A Mary Matten bapt 11 Feb 1798at Rendham,daughter of TimothyMatten/Mary Capon(from I.G.I.)
At Marriage of of Richard Carr to Maria Matten 1826 oneof the Wittnesse's was Mary Warn.
So it appears Maria Carr(wife of Richard) and Mary Warn(wife of Robert)were sisters and therefore
parents of Maria Matten were also Timothy Matten/Mary Capon.