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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: CatOne on Tuesday 11 May 10 13:21 BST (UK)
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Are any rootschatters descended from this Sherred/Gritt family and able to tell me anything else about the family? I've been doing my sons tree and found that, on his dad's mum's side, they are descended from a sibling of Mary Sherred.
A while ago, I saw an article that said she was a gypsy queen but I can't find it now. Her father (my son's 5x great grandparent) was Moses Sherred. Any info about this family would be great. Were they "proper" Romany gypsys? I can't get back any further than Moses unfortunately.
Thanks
Cat
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hi, catone as a romany, i can tell you that there really is no such thing as a king or queen of gypsy people, its just like a pearly king or queen.nothing real. its some thing gorgios,(non travellers) use. but if you are looking for a romany connection. look at the occupation of the persons you are researching. and as i have said before try finding famliy members that have married, general dealers horse traders hawkers tinker or earthen ware dealers potters etc, if you can get any of these and some gypsy surnames marrying into your famliy chances are you will have a connection. as to the surnames you mention i have not heard of them,but that is not to say they are not romany.but i do know many gypsy men called moses, cushty bok,( good luck) rob..g
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Mary Sherred is mentioned briefly on all the Romany websites I've come across (as Granny Gritt), on one or two sites her father Moses is also sometimes mentioned, so I have no doubt they were part of the New Forest Gypsy community. Their occupations were Sweeps, but I have been unable to get any further back and was hoping that someone on here may have connections to the family. Moses wife was Harriet nee Freeman and the Freemans were Sweeps too.
Thanks for the reply
Regards
Cat
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hi, cat one. i take it you have searched lds familyseach site.its free, you will have tried these i think ,but if not give these sites a try, they helped me. there is/ freecen /freereg/ freebmd/.there are many good county sites to try i.e lancashire parish clerks,but there are many others in the uk for other counties. if you have tried these with no luck,it may be the person/persons, you are looking for were not baptised, or registered. my own mother,born 1928 was not registered, and only got a birth cert when 18 to get married.if you get no further on this site dont give up, there are lots of good romany sites.for the south of england, just keep looking. try to find a church that keeps coming up, travellers tend to use the same church when in a area they camp in. i can tell you freeman is a romany name, and that some travellers years ago were sweeps. olso try to follow where they came from, my family the mitchells start in sussex then stafford, lancashire and cumberland,so maybe try a wider area,and some gypsy folk came from europe in the late 1900s. sorry i cannot be more helpful. rob..g
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Thanks Rob, will keep on searching...
Best Wishes
Cat :)
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Hi Cat one. I have just started searching my mothers family tree she was a sherred her father, my grandfather was Frank Sherred of 3 legged cross in Dorset a descendent of Moses and Harriet. I like you have got to Moses and seem to draw blanks were you able to get any further? I have many treasured memories of visiting from grand father and have photo's of the farm etc.
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Hi,
Thanks for the message, unfortunately I haven't been able to get any further back on this branch myself. I seem to remember a few years ago though, another researcher gave me a couple of generations earlier than Moses, but my email went wrong and all my saved emails were lost before I had chance to transfer the information onto paper or my GenesReunited tree!
Regards
Cat :)
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Hi.
I am a descendent of the Sherreds through my gt grandfathers marriage to Tamar who was a daughter of Moses Sherred . Moses being born in Kimpton, Hampshire.
Moses was the son of Ezekial "Sherrard" and Elisabeth . Ezekial was christened in Abbotts Ann, Hampshire in 1795.
Family search tells me that Ezekials father and mother were also Ezekial and Elisabeth.
By the time Tamar was born in Cranbourne Dorset it would appear that Moses was no longer a travelling sweep but a farm worker.
Dud.
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Hi, I think you may be wrong about Moses father, I have a copy of the marriage certificate with Harriet Freeman and the father is stated as Charles Sherred.
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The marriage certificate does indeed state his father was a Charles, it also states that her father was a Francis. They also married away from their usual stomping ground of Hampshire/Dorset in Sunbury on Thames, Surrey. Harriet shown as a minor.
Moses gives his place of birth as Kimpton, Hants. although on one census it does state Andover.
Familysearch gives up:
Moses Shurred bp.6/1/1813 Andover, Hampshire, son of Ezekiel Shurred and Elizabeth.
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Harriet's birthplace mostly given as Odiham - and on Familysearch:
Harriet Freeman bp.6/1/1822 Odiham, dau. of Thomas and Diana.
However, other records I've looked at indicate that Harriet's father was indeed a Francis Freeman who married a Diana Bull 19/8/1816 Odiham, Hampshire. They had a number of children at Odiham but a Job in 1818 also has parents as Thomas and Diana. This may well just be a transcription error.
So, on this evidence - and Moses Sherred is an uncommon name - it looks like Moses was 5 years older than he said he was (perhaps because Harriet so much younger) and that his father was indeed Ezekial rather than a Charles. (Alas, one can't always believe what's on certificates as I've learnt).
Annette (not connected in any way to the family)
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Another snippet of information.
In the 1841 census Moses Sherred ( shown as Shearwood in the census) was at the home of Francis Freeman (Harrietts dad). The Freeman family and Moses were at Tun Lane, Odiham, Hampshire.
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my grandfather was Frank Sherred of 3 legged cross in Dorset a descendent of Moses and Harriet.
The British Newspaper Archive - The Western Gazette Friday 8 January 1892
Deaths
Jan. 5th at 3 Legged Cross, Moses Sherred age 73
Ringwood Road, Cranborne, Wimborne, Dorset
Moses Sherred Head Married 72 Sweep Retired Hampshire
Harriett Sherred Wife Married 69 Hampshire
William GRITT Son In Law Widower 50 Chimney Sweep Hampshire
Mary Gritt Granddaughter 16 Domestic Servant Hampshire
Bertie Gritt Grandson. 11 Dorset
1891 census RG12 Piece 1635 Folio 53 Page 7
I am a descendent of the Sherreds through my gt grandfathers marriage to Tamar who was a daughter of Moses Sherred . Moses being born in Kimpton, Hampshire.
Moses SHERRED appears to be on TWO 1861 census
Tiptoes, Hordle, Lymington, Hampshire
William GRITT Head Married 1833 Sweep Standford, Berkshire
Mary “ Wife Married 1842 Wimborne, Dorset,
Moses SHERRED Father Law Married 1818 Formerly Sweep Kinton, Hampshire
Harriet Sherred Mother Law Married 1821 Hampshire, Englan
“ “ Sister Law 1853 Cranbourne, Dorset
Tamar “ Sister Law 1855 Wimborne,
1861 RG09 Piece number 665 Folio 72 Page 2
Cranborne, Wimborne, Dorset
Moses SHERRED Head Married 1819 Agricultural Labourer Kimpton, Hampshire
Harriet Sherred Wife Married 1821 Odiham, Hampshire
Charles Sherred Son 1844 Sweep Kingston, Hampshire
Benjamin Sherred Son 1846 Sweep Horton, Dorset
Jemima Sherred Daughter 1849 Scholar Odiham, Hampshire
Eliza Sherred Daughter 1852 Scholar Dibden, Hampshire
Tamar Sherred Daughter 1856 Scholar Verwood, Dorset
1861 RG09 Piece 1335 Folio 65 Page 23
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Mary Sherred is mentioned briefly on all the Romany websites I've come across (as Granny Gritt), on one or two sites her father Moses is also sometimes mentioned, so I have no doubt they were part of the New Forest Gypsy community. Their occupations were Sweeps, but I have been unable to get any further back and was hoping that someone on here may have connections to the family. Moses wife was Harriet nee Freeman and the Freemans were Sweeps too.
Thanks for the reply
Regards
Cat
I've found a newspaper article stating that Mary Gritt wife of William Gritt, a chimney sweep died aged 41 on the 6th of January 1883 near Fawley (New Forrest). And that they had 9 children plus some that had died. It appears she passed in childbirth of a son.
So this gives you a death date for Granny Gritt
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Cat1 / Rob G,
I have a Caroline GRITT (1806-?) marrying a John MITCHELL (1801-?) in abt 1824 (Alton, Hants). Their descendants finally join the DOEs when their grand daughter Caroline Emily MITCHELL (born in Haslin) marries Albert DOE (my 2nd great grand father) in 1887.
Was just interesting that you're both mentioning GRITT and MITCHELL. Possible links but perhaps not :)
Warren