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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: lochlass on Saturday 08 May 10 01:50 BST (UK)
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John Wimpress married Mary Kelly in NSW 1835. They had 2 daughters, Ann and Mary. They moved to Victoria. Mary Snr died 1859 aged 52. I can't find a death record for John Wimpress in VIc or NSW. Can anyone shed some light on him? Many thanks.
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Have you traced the daughters Ann and Mary?
Do you know John's parents' names.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi lochlass,
Do you have Mary's Death Certificate ?
Mary WIMPRESS d 1859 aged 52 WOO - unknown parents # 9007
It should state if John was alive or deceased.
Mary's Marriage Certificate?
Mary WIMPRESS m John Scath COPLAND { b Orkney} 1876 # 3415
1. Alice COPLAND d 1898 aged 14 Stawell # 9858
Can't see a death for Mary or Ann either ???
Regards
Alison
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I have no details of his parents at this stage. He was still alive when his wife died. One of his daughters (Ann) married a Richard Cashin, but I can't find a record of that marriage. I am currently waiting for NSW records to send me John's marriage record, but can't guarantee what info will be on that as back in 1835 they were pretty basic, apparently.
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The marriage record in 1835 will be a transcribed parish record. Civil registration did not commence until 1856 in NSW.
Death of Annie's son
CASHIN George
Father Cashin Richd Mother Annie WINPRESS
23 years at Stawell 1899 Reg#7585
I would think you have the births regs of the three children to Richard and Annie registered in the name CASHEN.
Was your John WIMPRESS the convict b. c1797 who arrived on the FLORENTIA?
Cando
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Hi
I am assuming you do have the death certificate for MARY WIMPRESS as you did not quite answer Alison's question regarding it :D.
The details on it may include which cemetery and other useful information.
Are you able to tell us those particulars?
Sue
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John WEMPRESS
Tried Shropshire, 22 March 1827, Life
Conditional Pardon, 1 Feb 1845.
Convicts Applications to Marry
John WIMPRESS, Florentia (1), aged 33, Life, holding a ticket of leave, of Queanbeyan
Mary KELLY, Red Rover, aged 27, arrived free
Permission Granted 30 August 1839
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I noticed the year of the marriage was 1839 on the indexes. Perhaps a typo :)
It would appear they had three children and Mary b.1842 died but there is no parish record for her death.
V18401441 24A/1840
WIMPRESS Ann
Father John Mother Mary
8422236 28/1842
WIMPRESS Mary
Father John Mother Mary
V18442238 28/1844
WIMPRESS Mary
Father John Mother Mary
There does not appear to be a death registration for your John in the Vic indexes and I have used all sorts of spelling variations and wild card searches.
Cando
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Hi
A possible. I cannot immediately see any events or records for a man by this name (perhaps someone else will), so it may be a wierd misprint for WIMPRESS.
In 1870 LAMPESS, JOHN AGE 57 YEARS DIED at WAGGA WAGGA reg at WAGGA WAGGA reg 6097
Sue
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This could be him as age is a little closer to a birth c1797 and only LIMPRESS on the Victorian Indexes.
LIMPRESS John
Parents unknown
75 years born England 1877 Reg#5995
Cheers
Cando
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Thank you Cando, Alison, Sparrett & Dundee - Mr Wimpress is getting to be an interesting person! Back to his wife's death reg - John is only mentioned as the 'undertaker'. She's buried at Sandy Creek - which I'm assuming is out Stawell way. Couldn't find any on-line sites for Stawell cemeteries
How did you get hold of convict records at Shropshire, Dundee? I did a search on Old Bailey, but came up with nothing.
Many thanks for your help.
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Sandy Creek
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~tarnagul/
Stawell cemetery records
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~stawgeny/
You don't think the death registered under the name LIMPRESS could be a mistranscription? I wonder where this person died?
Cando
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Criminal Registers 1792-1892 Shropshire 1827
WIMPRESS John Lent Asizes Crime Larceny in a dwelling house Death.
Cando
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Thanks for the cemetery sites, Cando. I'm still a novice at this game! Will check out Limpress next time I'm on the Vic BMD site.
Cheers!
PS They certainly didn't muck around with sentencing back in those days, did they?
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Hi
I agree with you Cando that the JOHN LIMPRESS death in Victoria would be worth following up.
Lochlass, I think Cando has given you all there is to be seen on the VIC BMD site without taking the next step.
You would need to get the certificate for further information.
If you have not done so before, you will find a download relatively inexpensive and not too complicated.
Sue
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If John WIMPRESS is your ancestor you can now claim to have some "Australian Royalty" in your tree ;D
I have received excellent help from the Stawell Biarri Group.
I noticed on the Tarnagulla [Sandy Creek] website a cemetery index but it only appears to be for deaths post 1890 or so.
If you decide to purchase an image of the certificate just bear in mind that the information on death certificates is only as good as the knowledge of the informant. There may not have been any family around to act as informant and the information may be far from accurate as his wife died in 1859...and this death is 18 years later.
Don't hesitate to ask for further help if needed.
Cheers
Cando
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Thank you all so much for your help. I'm sure to enjoy finding those pieces to the puzzle now.
I realise it's Mother's Day - hope you all enjoyed some special treats! :D
Ruth
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My treats are the phone calls from my adult children who live quite a distance from me. I often relate the tale of my first Mother's Day....our first born was only 7 months old and I thought I would probably be enjoying breakfast in bed and possibly a small gift....when neither eventuated my darling hubby said with a big grin....but you aren't my mother. ::) ::) ::) So you can guess what he received for his first Father's Day :P
Ruth it may be worth asking the Stawell group if they are aware of an early Sandy Creek Cemetery.
Cheers
Cando
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Well, that little story sounds familiar!!!! My adult children are within 4 hrs travel. One left the MD card locked up at work, one is working today but being newly married didn't want to come up on her days off and the eldest - well, it's like trying to get blood from a stone:) And... I'm always up before anyone else... every morning!
I've had a quick look at both the Tarnagulla & Stawell sites that you posted (while waiting for something else to download). The Tarnagulla one does have quite a few names listed, but none are what I want. Will contact them sometime this week & see what comes up then.
Many thanks,
Ruth.