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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Kent => England => Kent Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Atlanta1 on Thursday 06 May 10 16:00 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I am looking for information on the ancestors of Bertram P Osborn b. 1879 son of George Osborn b. 1836 and Mary A (?). Wondering who George's parents were - and the maiden name of his wife - cant find George on the 1841 Census. I know they came from Bromley, Kent.
Any information would be great
thank you
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One step at a time!
You can find MAry's maiden name from Bertrams birth cert.
Hopefully that will lead you to George and Mary's marriage - and that cert will give you George's fathers name and occupation.
As George was born pre 1837, i t will be a case of searching parish records for a christening. With a place of birth from the censuses (have you found the family in 1881 which is free to search as a starting point?Though best to find on all to see if consistant with yr and pob) and a fathers name, you will have more chance of finding the right record.
Some Kent PR's are online on the cityark site, sorry not got full address to hand, but it will come up on a search. Dont know if this covers Bromley
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Where does yuor info about Bertram's parentage come from? I cant see the family on 1881 or 1891 ....
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Hi, information was given to me showing on the 1891c Bertram P Osborn and parents George Osborn and Mary A living at 41 Park End Bromley ???
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Havent spotted it yet
But here is his birth from FreeBMD
Ap/May/Jun 1879
Bertram Percival Osborn
Bromley 2a 366
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OK got it
RG12 627 124 20
eldest child with them then is 22, so marriage will be a while back from there.
Have you found (or looked) for the family in 1881?
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I see a duplicate thread asking about Bertram's ancestors here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,439719.msg3030273.html#msg3030273
but as there are no replies there it is best if we continue on this one
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Do you have him in 1851 where he's an apprentice (transcribed as age 10 though, but looks like 16 to me) Hes described as "relative" to George and Ann Downard and family in Plymouth
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hi,
thank you - to be honest I can only find Bertram in the 1901 when he is married to a Mabel (born St Johns London 1888?)with a son named bertram aged 28 months in what I think is Park Cottage Bromley.
Cant find any more information on him esp. his ancestors?
I am a direct Osborn decendant of William Osborn b.1815 bromley m. Martha Burrows - know they fit in somewhere, but where?
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Perhaps somebody would be kind enough to post full details from the 1891 census then try working back from there.
Casalguidi :)
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1891 RG12/627 Folio 124 Page 20
41 Park End, Bromley, Kent
George Osborn 55 Painter and Paperhanger Bromley Kent (transcribed as "Thoen")
Mary A 51 Erith Kent
Walter J 22 Painter Bromley
George 18 Painter Bromley
Bertram P 12 Scholar Bromley (transcribed as "Berwyn")
Francis H 8 Scholar Bromley
The family is quite easily traceable on all censuses if you want transcriptions?
Regards
Cat
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http://www.familysearch.org ................... search for "George ASTRUM" in the 1881 census at Bromley, Kent ;D
Casalguidi :)
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Thank you all so much - I would be grateful to receive any transcrips you have.
Best wishes
Atlanta
:D
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Think I am going mad - still cant find them ???
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Can't find them where? What resource are you using?
Casalguidi :)
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1871 RG10/874 Folio 23 Page 38
Widmore Road, I Beachfield Cottages, Bromley, Kent
George Osborn 35 House Painter Journeyman Bromley
Morgan? 31 Erith
Alfred H 8 Scholar Bromley
Lizzie 6 Scholar Bromley
Alice A 4 Bromley
Walter J 2 Bromley
Ada Louisa M? 3wks Bromley
Regards
Cat
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Thank you so much I have found them now!!
Looks like George's dad was James Osborn born in 1786 - unable to go back any further.
I wonder if James was brother to my ancestor William Osborn b. 1781?
Oh well - forever researching.
Best wishes to you all
Atlanta
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My Great Great Grandfather was Bertram Percival Osborn. I haven't done too much research into the Osborns but.....Bertrams father was George and Mother was Mary Ann Silver from Erith Kent. George was a decorater. George's father was James, I can find them in 1841 and 1851. His wife was Elizabeth and they had quite a few children. I found christening for George Osborn on familysearch.org in dec 1834.
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thank you so much for the message - I am an Osborn decendant from Bromley - I still live in Bromley Kent - I am trying to find where Bertram fits into my side of the family - I have also make contact with another direct decendant of bertram, and I know they will be very grateful for the information.
Now to find out .. again where Bertram fits - as he must be a relative of mine!!!!
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George OSBORN baptised Bromley 28 Dec 1834 son of James and Elizabeth .................. where was James born c1786 according to the census?
When/where was your William OSBORN born c1781?
Casalguidi :)
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Hi there
I am writing the life story of Ernest Osborn who left a manuscript of his life and times.
He died in 2011 in Victoria Australia. Ernest is the son of Bertram Percival Osborn and Mable Florence. He was born 1917.
Brothers & Sisters: Walter Percy - Ivy Florence - Lillian Ada and Bertram William. His grandfather was Bertram mother Mary Ann ( see 1881 Bertrin Astrum) weird.!
There is a great deal in the manuscript about his brothers and sisters and growing up in Bromley.
A wonderful story . His wife Olive is still alive, she is my 2nd cousin. Ernest gave me away at my wedding - they are a great family. If I can be of further help please let me know. He wrote about his fathers siblings, especially his aunt Ada he mentions that George was a ''in service in one of those big houses.''
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Hi thank you so much for your message.
I am trying to see how everyone fits in, there must be a connection, I just cant find it at the moment. Can you help?
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Bertram (Bertie) born 1879 died 27th Feb 1937 Bromley. Married Mable Florence Lucas.
She walked out on the family abt 1920.( re-married).
Children Bertram William 1901 - Lillian Ada 1902 Ivy - Florence 1905 - Walter Percy - 1909 Nellie
Marjory 1913 and Ernest Ernie, who married my second cousin and died 2011.
Is this the side you are looking for. The 1881 census has their name incorrectly spelt,. If you contact me via email I can give you Bertram's father George etc. I would love to know where you fit in.
Regards
Hildi