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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ross & Cromarty => Topic started by: kazzza on Sunday 02 May 10 06:26 BST (UK)
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Moderator comment: this topic split from an earlier thread, as they appear to be two distinct families
Hi,
I have just found Rootschat and have been looking over past correspondence between members.
I have a little information on my family past..and this subject seem to have many similarities.
Malcolm Murray married Catharine MacIver abt 1855...their children - Helen, Daniel ( my ggreandfather ) Kenneth, Annabella, Murdo, Mary Ann, Robert, Julia, Jessie, Christine.
This some connection here ??
Thanks
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Hi kazza
Welcome to Rootschat :)
I'm not sure if there is a connection but if you could say approximately where they married and their ages, it would help to locate them.
Regards
Gadget
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Just found their marriage on the IGI ~
8 November 1852, Stornoway
Gadget
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This is the nearest family that I can find in Stornoway on the 1861. It might not be them - they might have left the island:
10 Enaclet Street, Stornoway
Parish 88 ED 6 Page 4
Murray
Malcolm, 30, shoemaker
Catherine, 29
Christy, 6
Margret, 4
Ellen, 3
Donald, 1
all b. Stornoway
(Note that Daniel and Donald are synonyms in Scotland. See - http://www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=daniel )
Gadget
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GMac, try this map/photo combo, type in the village and use the map, the photo will follow.
http://wheresthepath.googlepages.com/wheresthepath.htm
Skoosh.
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Thanks Gadget,
Seems like i need to more research.
A cousin has research notes that differ to yours.
I do have a living relative in Stornoway who sent me information closer to yours
Feu ( i don't know what this is ) Chartulary for 9 Newton
Mundo Macliver, Shipowner..and there is reference to a Malcolm Murray, Shoemaker.
I'm so confused..i suppose there has been many years past, and as i have just started my research i didn't realise all the similarities.
I will continue slowly, please keep an eye out for me again on rootschat
Thanks
Karen
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Hi Karen
The best thing is to work back from what you know and verify everything that has been sent to you.
It's easier from a distance now than previously because you have sites like Scotlands People.
it would have been Murdo Maciver rather than Mundo - was he Catherine's father?
I've done some research on a McIver family who owned a draper's shop in Stornoway. A son went to Edinburgh, Oxford, Aberdeen and then Canada and became quite a famous Sociologist.
http://www.answers.com/topic/robert-morrison-maciver
Gadget
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Hi again
Catherine Murray,married to Malcolm Murray, shoemaker-journeyman, died June 3 1897, Stornoway, aged 63.
Her parents were Murdo Maciver, Revenue pensioner, deceased and Marion m.s. Macgregor, deceased.
Donald Murray, son, was the informant. His address is given as 40 Holmscroft Street, Greenock
From the info on the other thread ( http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,453734.0.html ), I think this is your family
Gadget
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I'm a new member...signed-up today!
This line is of much interest to me. My paternal grandmother was Margaret Murray from Stornoway.
I have my father's parents marriage cert.
She was Margaret Murray age 20 (domestic servant). He was Hugh McBride age 21 (mason, journeyman).
They married on July 13, 1877 in Glasgow, witnessed by Robert McBride (groom's brother??) and Ellen Murray (bride's sister??).
Addresses given are 4 Grove St. Glasgow for Hugh and 10 Grove St. for Margaret. Margaret's parents are given as Malcolm Murray (shoemaker, journeyman) and Catherine (nee McIver).
Margaret and Hugh's second son, Malcolm, was born June 9, 1879 at 9 Newton St. Stornoway. I have copy of the birth cert.
Family address is shown as 4 Grove St. Glasgow.
Previous posts show Mundo (Murdo?) McIver at 9 Newton St. in 1861 census.
Was Murdo McIver Margaret's grandfather (Catherine's father) and she was visiting her parents The Murray's who now lived there??
Is Donald from Greenock Margaret's younger brother??
Any further info would be appreciated. I can provide info on my aunts and uncles in Glasgow
'Seaway'
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Hello Seaway and welcome :)
Margaret's parents are given as Malcolm Murray (shoemaker, journeyman) and Catherine (nee McIver).
This looks very much like the same people that I mentioned in the previous posting:
Hi again
Catherine Murray,married to Malcolm Murray, shoemaker-journeyman, died June 3 1897, Stornoway, aged 63.
Her parents were Murdo Maciver, Revenue pensioner, deceased and Marion m.s. Macgregor, deceased.
Donald Murray, son, was the informant. His address is given as 40 Holmscroft Street, Greenock
From the info on the other thread ( http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,453734.0.html ), I think this is your family
Gadget
Donald was Catherine McIver and Malcolm Murray's son and your Margaret appears to be their daughter.
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
Thank you for the quick response.
As I am new to this game, I find it very confusing nailing down people as the ages vary when comparing source documents. I'll get my calculator out later and see what the variations are in ages.
I'm trying to confirm Margaret's presence at 9 Newton St. and positively connect her as the granddaughter of Murdo and Marion (nee Macgregor) McIver.
A Google Map search on this address shows a fairly large home. I have my doubts that it is the original from late 1800's.
Re Murdo as "ship owner", could this indicate that he was a fisherman?
Again, thanks, and if you can provide any help in getting me farther back,
I would greatly appreciate it.
By the way, I'm not 100 years old. I was a late life child as was my father. :)
Seaway
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Hi again
Will this do for starters:
Margaret Murray states on her marriage cert that her parents were Malcolm Murray (shoemaker) and Catherine McIver
In 1861 - my reply #3 on this thread:
10 Enaclet Street, Stornoway
Parish 88 ED 6 Page 4
Murray
Malcolm, 30, shoemaker
Catherine, 29
Christy, 6
Margret, 4
Ellen, 3
Donald, 1
all b. Stornoway
at 11 Enclet Street in 1861
McIver
Murdo, 61, pensioner
Marrian, 64
Jessie, d, 20, dressmaker
All b. Stornoway
Baptism/birth, Stornoway 5 Jan 1829 Catharine d/o Murdoch MacIver and Marion MacKenzie
It might be worth you accessing some of the records on the Scotland's People site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk It's a pay site and very reasonable.
Also, family search has many of the records www.familysearch.org and http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start
Regards
Gadget
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I think that this is Malcolm Murray in 1851:
Bayhead Street, Stornoway
GROS Ref - 88 ED 7 Page 16-17
Mckenzie
Catherine, 30, b. Inaclete, stornoway
Allen, son, 11, b. Stornoway
Catherine, d, 7, b. -do-
John, s, 6, b. -do-
Murdo, s, 3, b. -do-
Catherine, m in law, e73, b. -do-
Malcolm Murray, boarder, 22, shoemaker, b.Barvas
Janet Murray, boarder, 15, b. -do-
and Catharine
Enaclete, Stornoway
GROS Ref 88 ED 6 P 15
McIver
Murdoch, 51,Board of customs pensioner
Marion, 56,
Catharine, 21, house servant
Janet, 16
All b. Stornoway
Gadget
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In 1841, Murdo(ch) was away
Inaclet Street, Stornoway
GROS Ref - 88 ED 6 p 7
McIver
Marion, 40
Catherine, 12
Murdo, 8
Jessie, 6
Not found a link to Newton Street yet but it's adjacent to Inaclete:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/09pv/
Gadget
Added - the 1851 has Marion as being deaf
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Thanks for this flood of statistics.
Later today I plan to chart everything and see where I should be looking next.
You are a mine of good information!!
Seaway
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You will need to get Murdo(ch) and Marion McIver's death certs which will show their parents' names and occupations.
These you can view and download from the Scotlands People site, previously mentioned, for 6 credits each (=£1.20).
Gadget