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William Cameron Smalley, Thomas Riley Smalley and Riley Smalley all emigrated from Blackburn, Lancashire in the early 1900's with their wives. They all became Baptist Ministers, William Cameron Smalley became General Secretary of the Baptist Union of Western Canada in the 1930's.
Can anyone help in trying to find out what became of their families.
Thank you.
Gill
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http://automatedgenealogy.com/index.html
You can find William Smalley in Shoal Lake, Marquette, Manitoba boarding with the McDonalds working as a clergyman. Emigrated 1903
Thomas Riley Smalley is living in Calgary with wife Elizabeth Z and sons Wilfred and James Victor. Emmigration year 1907
Riley Smalley is boarding in Westbourne, Marquette Manitoba and working as a student pastor.
On the 1916 prairie census
William (35) is found living at 134 4 St. Portage La Prairie, Manitoba with wife Margaret(34) who was born in England and emmigrated 1913. William is a minister
Thomas Riley is a Broker, real estate and living at 502 Boulevard Ave. N.W. Calgary, Alberta with wife Jennie(32), Wilfred(7), Victor(5), Thomas(3) and Robert(1). All children born in Alberta
Riley is living on Windover Ave, Qu'Appelle, Saskatchewan and working as a minister. He is married to Maud M. (24) b. England emmigrated 1914 and daughter Edna M. newborn.
Debbie
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William Smalley, 32 Minister travelled on the Empress of Britain from Quebec to Liverpool arriving
19 June 1913
Marriage Sept 1913
Blackburn 8e 1049 between William C. Smalley and Margaret A. Cowell
William C. Smalley, 32 and wife Margaret A. 31, travelled on the Virginian back to Canada arriving 1 Oct 1913. Destination Winnipeg, Manitoba. William had been in Canada from 1903/1913 with 10 years in Winnipeg.
Debbie
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http://search.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-D9CE56/gbsearch
BC archives has deaths for
James Victor Smalley, 1954-11-28, age 42, Ferguson Point, BC
Reg. # 1954-09-011678
Thomas Riley Smalley
1971-8-17, age 89, Vancouver, BC
Reg. # 1971-09-011697
2 posible deaths for wife Elizabeth
Elizabeth Smalley, age 95, Vancouver, BC
Reg. # 1980-09-003324
Elizabeth Jane Smalley, 1950-4-28, age 66, Ladner, BC
Reg. # 1950-09-004876
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www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/index-e.html
Soldiers of the First World War
Thomas R. Smalley
Reg. # 2737003
You can view his attestation papers at the above site and for a fee you can order his complete military file through this same site.
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/index-e.html
Second World War Service files: Canadian Armed Forces War Dead
Robert Cecil Smalley, age 30
Date of Birth: 06 Jan 1915, Date of Death: 08 Feb. 1945
Flight Lieuteneant, Royal Canadian Air Force
Service # J25766
Reference RG 24, volume 28663
Son of Thomas Riley Smalley and Elizabeth Jane Smalley, Vancouver, British Columbia.
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Vancouver Public Library
www.vpl.vancouver.bc.ca/
Ask a Librarian
www.vpl.ca/library//library/cat/C451
You should be able to find obituaries for Thomas and Elizabeth using the dates from the BC archives site that I gave you previously and the Ask a Librarian section of the Vancouver Public Library.
Good luck in your search.
Val
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www.canada411.ca
has several Smalley's listed for British Columbia and elsewhere. If you are successful in finding an obituary for Thomas Riley or Elizabeth Smalley, this site may help you find living relatvies.
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Smalley, William Cameron (1880-1972)
Reorganizing for Advance in Western Canada. Edmonton. Baptist Union of Western Canada, 1938
http://peel.library.ualberta.ca/bibliography/6226.html
On the Western Front, 1942
http://peel.library.ualberta.ca/bibliography/6529.html
You can read these books by William Cameron Smalley on the above sites, shows pictures of the book, go to title page which brings the book up and then use previous/next to read the book.
Another book:
www.getexcited.org/pub/101319648
Come Wind, Come Weather
author: William Cameron Smalley, b. 1880 D. ?
Publisher: Lingley Print Co., Saint John, New Brunswick, 1969, 165 pages
on cover: Reminiscences from a life of Christian Service
Haven't found anything else on him but the University of Alberta library or Peel Library may be able to help.
Val
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www.grandchapter-bc-yukon.ca/pgzs.shtml
1965 Smalley, Thomas Riley 15 Pacific
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William travelled a few times between Canada and England.
William Smalley, 26, minister, destination Shoal Lake reserve on Empress of Ireland arriving 27 Sept 1907
William C. Smalley, destination in England 40 Burlington St Blackburn arrived 19 June 1922 on the Montrose. He travelled back on the Montrose arriving Canada 15 Sept 1922 showing his destination as 149 Langside St. Winnipeg, Manitoba and his wife as Margaret Alice Smalley.
William and family travelled back from England on the ducess of Atholl arriving 14 Sept 1934.
William Smalley b. Southport, in Canada 1903-1934
Margaret Smalley, 51 b. Blackburn in Canada 1913-1934
Margaret Smalley, 14, b. Winnipeg, daughter
UK incoming passenger lists show William and Margaret travelling
Empressof Scotland arriving 6 July 1955
Empress of Britain arriving 22 July 1958 staying 3 mos with Mrs. Shorrock Darwen Lanc contact
Empress of Canada arriving 25 May 1951
Debbie
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The Canadian Letters and Images Project
http://www.canadianletters.ca/searchBasic.html
under Keyword enter Smalley, then click search and this should bring up links to 17 letters with references and information on Riley Smalley and family and also WC Smalley.
Hopefully, this link will get you directly to one of the letters.
http://www.canadianletters.ca/letters.php?letterid=9591&warid=3&docid=1&collectionid=369
In some of the letters it appears that Riley Smalley is not happy in his profession and wishes that he had remained in England after his marriage and at one point he actually gives up the profession. I didn't read all of the letters but there appears to be very good information in them.
If I have made any errors in the links let me know.
Val
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Thomas Riley Smalley was married in Blackburn in 1906 and immigrated to Canada shortly after. He and his wife, Elizabeth Jennifer (nee)Cunliffe lived in Calgary Alberta and later moved to Vancouver, BC. 4 sons..WilFred, James, Thomas, and William. William was killed over Holland on return flight of a bombing mission in 1944 World War II. James was my father. His mother, for clarity, died in 1950. James, my father, died in 1954 and TR senior died in 1971. TR Jr died in the late 1990's, not sure which year. Not sure when Wilf died.
Thomas Riley (TR Sr) was GrandMaster of the Shrine Lodge in the 1950's and remained Past Grand Master through the 1960's. James victor served in World War II 1939 to 1945, with the British Commonwealth Cavelry- Princess Patricia's Light Infentry (BCC-PPLI). He served in England, North Africa, Sicily, and Italy as a "Pathfinder" which as I understand is somewhat like todays special forces.
More information can be had by emailing me directly
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http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~abwcobit/index.htm
You can access Henderson Directories at this site.
For a fee you can request the obituaries for Margaret Smalley - Edmonton Journal 1970 and William Smalley - Edmonton Journal 1972.
Debbie
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/08kk/
Don't know if the Edmonton Public Library offers the same service for free.
Debbie
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Correction to above. Son killed in WWII was Robert, not william. Sorry
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Wow!
Thanks everyone, this is fantastic!
My great-grandfather Joseph Riley Smalley was a cousin of William Cameron & Thomas Riley (brothers) and Riley Smalley. William Cameron and Thomas Riley's sister also went to Canada marrying Arthur Oldring who was killed in WW1, I have they had 9 children.
I have information on most lines from their grandfather James Smalley (1810 - 1878) and wife Alice Holden (1811 -1893). I am struggling to find James's parents as there were 2 John & Betty Smalley's having children christened at Church Kirk, Church, Accrington, Lancashire during the same period.
I live in the Accrington area and researching my father's side with my Mum. My grandparents never spoke of either of their families. My Mum does the double checking of my reasearch obtaining certificates etc. so give us a couple of weeks and I should have all my information back - hopefully confirmed.
Thanks again - if anyone would be interested in seeing the information once we are satisfied it is correct or has extra information you are willing to share, please get in touch.
Gill
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Hello Gill . I am researching my Smalleys from England to Australia . Do you know of any of your Smalleys that came to Queensland or Victoria ? Have you seen this at all ?
Occupation: Holywell, Flintshire Cotton Mill Owner
MarcS70l3- Christopher, son of John Smalley, wine merchant, Preston, Lane.
Christopher Smalley, son of John Smalley, who is known as being connected with Sir Richard Arkwright in business (see Bames's Lancashire, vol. ii. pp. 430-1), The original partners finally split up. Samuel Need died in 1781 and Smalley in 1782. Arkwright and Strutt bought Smalley's share in the partnership from his son for £10,751 and Arkwright bought Strutt out of his share. The latter had a thriving business of his own in stockings with mills in Belper and Milford. having in the first instance assisted him with money, and subsequently entered into partnership with him, became a cotton spinner and partner in the Holywell Twist Company. He was originally intended for holy orders, but was removed from school and placed in business — for which he had no great talents — much, it is said, to Mr. Lawson's regret, who regarded him as a pupil of much promise.
Pennant, in his History of HolyioeU Parish, p. 2 1 4, states that Mr. " John Smalley, senior, had long been engaged in a cotton work at Cromford, near Matlock, in Derbyshire, unhappily within the baneful influence of a tyrant rival, which forced him to seek the protection of S. Weuefrede, under which he prospered, and his children still prosper, blessing the benefit of the change made by theirinjured parent." He adds, " it is to Mr. Christopher Smalley, one of the partners, and eldest son of the founder of these great manufacturies (The Cotton Twist) I am obliged for the account of what relates to them."
The circumstances of the family, I believe, changed afterwards for the worse.
There is in Whitford churchyard a tombstone bearing the following inseription :
" Here rest the remains of John Smalley, late of Preston, in Lancashire. He died at Holywell, on 28th day of January 1782, aged 53 years, where he established the cotton manufactory in the year 1777. Ann Smalley, eldest daughter, died May 20th 1790, aged 38. Eli2abeth, his wife, died January 2nd 1796, aged 65. Here also lie the remains of Christopher Smalley, late of Holywell, esq. He died January 11th 1829, aged 74 years. Also of Sarah, his wife, who died 8th November 1832, aged 77 years. Also of John, their only son, who died 8th October 1808, aged 16 years."
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Unfortunately I haven't managed to go back further than James b 1810 at the moment. I will probably have to go and look at the records in person as not all are available on line. If I find anything to link us I shall get back to you, the information you quoted was very interesting.
Thanks for getting in touch.
Gill
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That will be great
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Riley Smalley was my great-grandfather; but he stayed in Blackburn (1850-1930). What was his relationship to the Blackburn Smalleys who went to Canada? I thought that the name Riley started with him- but it obviously did not; where is the first Riley? He was certainly a Baptist; the Smalleys do seem to be Baptists. He had seven children; four survived. Son Herbert was killed in WW1 and has memorial in Tockholes churchyard. Three sons took over the family textile business but it failed in the Great Depression. My grandfather Thomas moved to Blackpool; had a boarding house in Sherborne Road(?).
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I'm the great great- granddaughter of Riley. My Grandmother was Cissie Smalley daughter of Joseph son of Riley. She married James Birtwistle who was a chemist in Blackburn before retiring to Cleveleys in the late 60's early 70's. They had one son Gordon who was also a chemist, both James and Gordon died in 1980 and Cissie died in 1989. I live in Oswaldtwistle now which is strange as that was where Riley's father was born. Still trying to find out who James's parents were, from the actual records I have looked through I can only guess and not without any doubt. Are you trying to research the family too, as I can let you have as much information as I have managed to detect.
Riley's brother, James was a baptist minister and several of his sons went to Canada. William Cameron became the Secretary of the Baptist Union in Manitoba he was also an author, I have managed to track down one of his books. Will send another message time flies by and i need to sort my son out before he goes football training.
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James Smalley b.1810- was he the 'well-known mesmerist'? I read in Riley Smalley's obituary in the Blackburn times that James Smalley had 14 children. Perhaps he accounts for all those Smalleys in Blackburn. Stitching together a family tree starting with James could be a large undertaking. I guess that if it hadnt been for the Great Depression, which dispersed many of them, all the Smalleys would still be in Blackburn (this one is in Leicester).
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Sorry for the long delay.
Yes James Smalley was the well-known mesmerist, he must have done pretty well for himself as he bought burial plots for each of his children, all in a row, in Blackburn Cemetry off Whalley New Road. I think we are near the end of doing just that, the marriages and births of Smalley descendants after 1930 are more an educated guess than knowledge, but some certificates have been bought and searching the local press for obituaries and marriage reports have confirmed some. Our main problem is going backwards from James's parents.
You had asked where the Riley had started, James's sister Alice had married a Riley Cunliffe in 1834.
You mentioned your grandfather was Thomas, do you mind saying who your father was?
If you would like a copy of our research once we have finished, then we will gladly post it to you. Take care. Gill
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My father was James Critchley Smalley (b.04.04.04) his brothers were Riley (that Riley again) and David. Riley had a bookshop in Lytham; I have one in Leicester. We have a great picture of ggf Riley in his garden in Infirmary Rd- I will try to find out how to post it...
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That would be wonderful. Can we put our email addresses on this wall do you know? It may be easier to send it through that way.
Do you know much about your Critchley descendants? We have some information as Clara's father David was such a prominent figure within the Temperance movement in Blackburn, a very respected gentleman.
Take care.
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Regards
Polarbear
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thanks Polarbear
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Hello :) I'm loessperson jr, posting on behalf of my father. This is the photograph of Riley Smalley with his wife (who may be called Clara Critchley.)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn18/MeezoSoop/RileySmalley.jpg)
Please feel free to grab this pic for your files if you wish.
Cheers,
lp jr
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Wow! Fantastic picture! Thanks very much. Riley was married to Isabella Eccles b.28/03/1849 Blackburn d.23/02/1928 7 Infirmary Rd Blackburn.
Clara Critchley was Riley's son Thomas's wife 1878 - 1950
I forgot to add my email - it's gkjeffrey@ntlworld.com
Thanks again
Gill
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A few more thoughts on Riley 1850-1930. (I have heard that) on his death in 1930 three of the sons took over the family mill. But these were hard times and the depression was causing problems for everyone. People were surprised that the Smalley mill kept on paying out wages and keeping people on. It turned out that the three brothers were using their savings to pay the workers. When the workers heard this they tried to return their wages.. Ive no idea of the outcome of this story and it may be an urban(Blackburn) myth. But I like to think thsat it might be true.
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I would love to think it is true. My Grandmother, Joseph's duaghter never spoke of her family apart from to say that we should be very proud to be a member of it. She only spoke of being May Queen of Blackburn and having London designers make her dresses and top photographers to take the photos. Unitl 14 years ago I had a solid gold brooch which was presented to her in 1921 when she was Temperance Queen in the May Day celeberations, it was engraved on the back with her name and on the front was inscribed with Blackburn Band of Hope League. It was a pretty thing that I wore on several occasions, but burglers took it during one of 2 break ins. I still have the official photo and newspaper article. My Grandma was certainly one on her own!
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My cousin in Australia (Isabel, daughter of Riley) tells me that the workers at the Smalley mill used to refer to it as 'Old Mother Redcap' which seems a strange name for a cotton mill. Sometime after closure, she says, it was taken over by Bruce Critchley (these Critchleys do seem to have a role to play). Isabel tries to contact Beryl- daughter of David, Rileys brother- but links have been severed (by time and chance)... I think Beryl became Beryl Hunter- used to live in Sherbourne Road, Blackpool.
Ive been looking at some docs related to Edith Frost who died 22 June 1983. She did not make a will so everything divided amongst relatives. Some to Clara Smalley descendents (because she was a Critchley I guess) some to James Critchleys descendents, some to Bruce Critchleys descendents; and the Whipps and Hansfords get a mention- I remember various Whipps and Hansfords.
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That's interesting as there is a pub in Blackburn called Ol' Mother Redcap it is situated on the main road between Blackburn and Accrington just past an area called Intack. I was waiting for a reply about sending the family tree, but I will just send them.
Thanks for the new information.
Take care.
Gill
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About the family trees- we would of course be delighted to see them. I did send a reply but I think it went via Face book and may have missed you. We are intrigued at the moment by Nova Scotia; we see pictures of Nova Scotia locks- which I thought were taken in 1909, but turned out to be 2009. Why did I never hear about Nova Scotia during my relatively short stays in Blackburn (in Southworth Street)- not far from Riley Smallweys house in Infirmary Road? Its a good job you prompted this interest in Blackburn -so many things I had no idea about.
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William Cameron Smalley is my grandfather.
He married Margaret Alice Cowell. My mother was their only child, Margaret Cowell Smalley. She married Christopher Hampton Smith and they settled in Camrose, Alberta following WW II where my father joined the medical practice of his father, Percy Frank Smith and his brother Frank McNeil Smith. "Peggy" and "Hamp" have four children.
My grandfather and grandmother retired in Edmonton and then Victoria. He continued working as a Baptist minister in Edmonton and Victoria well after his retirement. In the later years they moved to Camrose where both died. Both are buried in Edmonton.
Excerpts follow:
1. JAMES1 SMALLEY was born 1844 in Haslingden, Lancashire. He married JANET. She was born 1841 in Scotland. Baptist Minister
1881 Census listed occupation as Baptist Minister (without church & proprietor of lands
Address:23 Hoghton St, North Meols, Lancashire
Age: 36
1901 Census:
Age 56
Notes for JANET:
Age 39 in 1881 census and 59 in 1901 census
Children of JAMES SMALLEY and JANET are:
i. MARGARET SMALLEY, b. 1871, Brisol.
Birth date based on age 10 in 1881census
ii. ALICE A. SMALLEY, b. 1872, Gloucester Bristol.
Birth date based on age 8 in 1881 census
School mistress on 1901 census, age 28 on last birthday
iii. JAMES SMALLEY, b. 1875, Ross, Hereford, England.
Birth date based on age 5 in 1881 census
25 on last birthday in 1901 census, joiner cabinet maker
iv. HELENA SMALLEY, b. 1878, Littleborough, Lancashire.
Birth date based on age 2 in 1881 census
1901 census 22 on last birthday, assistand Mistress Infants
2. v. WILLIAM CAMERON SMALLEY, b. December 1880, 40 Burlington Street, Blackburn, Lancashire, England; d. 1972, Camrose, Alberta.
vi. THOMAS R. SMALLEY, b. 1882, Liverpool Lancashire.
1901 census: 18 on last birthday, apprentice joiner
Generation No. 2
2. WILLIAM CAMERON SMALLEY was born December 1880 in 40 Burlington Street, Blackburn,
Lancashire, England, and died 1972 in Camrose, Alberta. He married MARGARET ALICE COWELL September 04, 1913 in Baptist Church, Montague Street, Blackburn, daughter of JOHN COWELL and CLEMENTINA NALMSLEY. She was born December 17, 1881 in 47 Nensley Street, Blackburn, Lancashire, England, and died in Camrose, Alberta.
1881 Census says born in Southport and was age 3 months
1901 census says 20 on last birthday, born Southport, Lancashire, assistant shool master
Notes for MARGARET ALICE COWELL:
listed as cotton winder on 1901 census
Marriage Notes for WILLIAM SMALLEY and MARGARET COWELL:
Entry #55 in register book of marriages #185 for the district of Blackburn in the counties of Lancaster and Blackburn CB
Child of WILLIAM SMALLEY and MARGARET COWELL is:
3. i. MARGARET COWELL3 SMALLEY, b. November 25, 1919, Winnipeg, Manitoba; d. April 22, 1994, Camrose, Alberta.
Generation No. 3
3. MARGARET COWELL3 SMALLEY (WILLIAM CAMERON2, JAMES1) was born November 25, 1919 in Winnipeg, Manitoba, and died April 22, 1994 in Camrose, Alberta. She married DR. CHRISTOPHER HAMPTON SMITH January 1943 in Edmonton, Alberta, son of PERCY SMITH and ELLA JOHNSON. He was born October 28, 1917 in Camrose, Alberta, and died October 25, 1992 in Camrose, Alberta.
More About MARGARET COWELL SMALLEY:
Burial: April 27, 1994, Camrose, Alberta
More About DR. CHRISTOPHER HAMPTON SMITH:
Burial: October 29, 1992, Camrose, Alberta
Children of MARGARET SMALLEY and CHRISTOPHER SMITH are:
JOAN MARGARET.
DOUGLAS HAMPTON.
PATRICIA LOUISE.
IAN WILLIAM.
William C. Smalley born in Lancashire, England, 1880, was baptised at Blackburn, England, November 1890. In 1903 he immigrated to Canada: Settling in Calgary and worked as a carpenter. In 1905 he started his ministerial studies at Brandon College, Manitoba; he was a student in pastorates at Shoal Lake and Strathclair, Manitoba. He graduated from Brandon College. He was ordained in 1912, in his church at Shoal Lake. In 1913 he left for England; he returned, newly married to Margaret Cowell , to be minister at Portage la Prairie Church.
Dr. Smalley held many positions, apart from being a pastor, during the next 41 years. Some positions were: district secretary for south-western Manitoba, superintendent of Home Missions in Manitoba at Winnipeg, and in 1924 became the minister of Fourth Avenue Baptist Church, Ottawa.
He travelled much: attended the Congress of the Alliance meetings in Toronto, Berlin, Atlanta, Copenhagen, and London and in Rio de Janeiro. These conferences were in addition to the meetings of the Baptist Convention of Ontario and Quebec and of the United Baptist Convention of the Maritime Provinces.
In 1929 he became general secretary of B. U. W. C., 1939 a member of the Executive Committee, World Alliance; he also became a life honorary vice- president of B.W.A. He received an honorary degree of Doctor of Divinity, Northern Baptist Seminary, Chicago in 1945. He was an initial supporter of the B.L.T.S., Calgary. In 1951 he retired as general secretary of the B.U.W.C. In 1952 he became the first minister of Highlands Baptist Church; remaining until his retirement in 1954. However, he also served as president of the Northern Alberta Auxiliary of the British and Foreign Bible Society of Canada for two years; served as vice-president in 1960. On December 3, 1972, he passed away in Camrose, at the age of 92.
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I am researching Richard and Peter Smalley Blackburn Lancashire to Australia . Peter settled in Victoria and Richard went to Queensland . I am actually of the Smalley line Cambridge to Victoria Australia . Would be great to keep in touch .
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I researching a Lancaster bomber crashed 8 February 1945 after a midair collision over The Netherlands between the towns Best and Son which is in the S.E. part of Holland. F/Lt Robert Cecil Smalley was the Bombaimer of this crew. His aircraft a 97 Squadron Lancaster bomber ND961 took off from Coningsby for a raid on the Dortmund Ems Canal near Ladbergen. Around 0.50 Hrs this aircraft collided in midair with another Lancaster PB181 which killed 15 crewmembers among them also F/Lt R.C.Smalley. He was 30 years old when he died. On the 8th February 2020 we will erect a memorial near the place where these crewmembers died. I would like to get in touch eager with his family. Is there some one who can help me to track them down?? He was born 6 January 1915 Calgary,Alberta and son of Thomas Riley and Elizabeth Jane(Néé Cunliffe) Smalley of Vancouver. Brother of Wilfred,Victor James,Thomas and Elsie.
Regards and I looking forward to hear,
Adrian
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Is there any family of F/Lt R.C.Smalley or people who can put me into the right direction to get in touch?? On the 8th February 2020 we will erect a memorial near the spot where two Lancasters collided in midair and took the lives of 15 crewmembers among them R.C.Smalley.
Regards,
Adrian