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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: big g on Monday 26 April 10 13:51 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find information on Miss Winnie (Winifred) Evans who was headmistress at Penygroes County Primary School. She was a cousin of my father.
She and her four siblings were born Nantlle, living in Kinmel Terrace. Later, she and her sister Maggie lived in a house close to Penygroes Railway Station. Neither of these ladies married.
I attended this school for a few years in the mid 1940's and she was headmistress then.
Help appreciated !
Diolch
Glenys
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Hi G,
Can you be more specific about what you would like to know? Would Winifred be on the 1911 census? Have you got a name + age for any older brothers?
Pinot
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Morning Pinot,
Sorry, I should have been more specific.
I have the family 1911 living 6 Kinmel Terrace, Nantlle, (1891 they were at 8 Kinmel Terrace)
Thomas and Alice Evans nee Jones
Laura Jane born 1892.
Maggie born 1894.
Winnie born 1897
Jennie born 1900
Their brother Evan born 1890, steamship sailor, was in 1911 staying with my taid and his family in Bootle !!
I am trying to find out how long Winnie was headmistress at Penygroes school, and when she died
Glenys
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Evening Glenys,
Thanks for the extra details; http://www.nantlle.com/home.htm is probably your best hope for both your enquiries (unless you are lucky enough to hit on a RC member more local than me). The website notice board looks to be the best place to post an enquiry - email link provided on the site.
The community paper is 'Lleu'; these are the details for the editor:
Eluned Rowlands, Y Goeden Eirin, Dolydd, Y Groeslon, Caernarfon : 01286 830942
E-bost: eluned.rowlandsATtiscali.co.uk .
If you need help with translation let us know,
regards,
Pinot
Modified in case the above email address is not allowed (tho' pasted from the BBC Wales website)
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Morning Pinot,
I already post on the Nantlle board, but find there is very little response to queries. Several weeks ago I emailed them with two messages to be put on the board, to date neither have appeared!
I will now contact the community newspaper "Lleu".
Thanks again Pinot,
Glenys :)
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Hope you get a better response if you get published in 'Lleu'; keep us posted.
Pinot :)
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Pinot,
I have just received death certificate for Winifred Evans, she died 1960 Penhegan, Nantlle, Llandwrog.
Informant was an E.W.Hughes, 2 Victoria Terrace, Nantlle.
Every answer brings another question...................
Whereabouts in Nantlle is/was Penhegan, and who was E.W.Hughes????
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Penhegan I can't recognise; it looks more Cornish than Welsh, but could be the name of a house. Are the other details on the certificate local? Any possibility that you're misreading it? Any chance of a scan to view here?
Glad you got the certif, anyway; E.W. Hughes could be a neighbour or anybody.
Pinot
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I have been trying to scan/cut and paste part of this certificate which I have stored in my documents file, as I can with emails/letters etc., but without luck.
Any help would be welcomed!
Glenys
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Hi Glenys
This thread has a lot of help with regard to posting images :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,426.0.html
Heather
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Hopefully...................... :-\
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Could be Penhesgan or Penhesgyn.
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Hi
Miss Winifred Evans's obituary appears in Yr Herald Cymraeg 25/01/1960.
According to this she was former headmistres of Ysgol y Babanod (Infants School), Penygroes. Report says she died, 'Friday before last', and was buried at Macpela Cemetery, Penygroes.
There is a list of mourners, giving their family relationship, if any, to the deceased. I don't know if you already have this information. If not, I'll send it to you by PM as some of the younger mourners might still be alive.
I'll make enquiries at Gwynedd Archives re possible source of further info re Winifred.
Nearly forgot (!), at time of death she lived at Penhegan (in print so no deciphering problem); will try and find out where the house is/was.
EmyrBorth
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Emyr, again, my thanks to you, and thanks to Wheldon.
I don't have her obituary, a copy would be most welcome.
G.
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Hi
Checked the 1959/1960 Electoral List, and both Margaret and Winifred Evans were then living at 4 Victoria Terrace, Nantlle. So it appears that Penhegan was the name of a house in a terrace. Referring to my PM, I now have telephone number and exact address, of the person who can put me in contact with a person born, bred and lived in Nantlle, from c. 1940 to c. 1980, I worked with 1967 - 1973.
Emyr
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I would be so grateful for any information re Winnie , her sister Maggie, and their siblings.
Winnie and Maggie had brother Evan Evans born 1890, who was in the Merchant Navy aboard "Dolbardan Castle" - no info on him after 1911. Not mentioned in report of mourners at Winnie's funeral. I have photograph of him, taken aboard this ship with other crew members.
Also sister,Laura Jane born born 1892, married a Robert S.Williams ,and sister, Jennie born 1900, who married a Harold Williams. Both these ladies were mentioned in the report.
Glenys
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I knew Winne and Maggie Evans very well, and all the family.They lived at 4 Fictoria Terrace until maggie's death. They had a sister called Laura She had four children namely (*) If you need any more details, let me Know. Winnie called the house Penhegan HWYL
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I would be so grateful for any information re Winnie , her sister Maggie, and their siblings.
Winnie and Maggie had brother Evan Evans born 1890, who was in the Merchant Navy aboard "Dolbardan Castle" - no info on him after 1911. Not mentioned in report of mourners at Winnie's funeral. I have photograph of him, taken aboard this ship with other crew members.
Also sister,Laura Jane born born 1892, married a Robert S.Williams ,and sister, Jennie born 1900, who married a Harold Williams. Both these ladies were mentioned in the report.
Glenys
In Memoriam. Capt E T Evans, Kinmel Terrace, Nantlle who lost his life on 7th November 1917 when his ship was torpedoed. He was 28 ½ years old. From Father, Mother and Sisters. (HC 19/11/1918)
CWGC: Second Officer in the Mercantile Marine. SS Umgeni (London) who died 9/11/1917 aged 27 years. Son of Thomas and Alice Evans (nee Jones), of 6, Kinmel Terrace, Nantlle, Carnarvonshire, Born at Nantlle, Carnarvonshire. Commemorated on Tower Hill Memorial (having no known grave)
The following from 'Dictionary of Disasters at Sea'
UMGENI
At the outbreak of the First World War the Umgeni was taken over by the Admiralty for service as a supply ship. On November 7th 1917, she left the Clyde in convoy for Lagos. Two days later the convoy ran into foul weather and became dispersed. The Umgeni was never seen again, but bodies and wreckage from her were washed up along the west coast of Ireland.
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ErsTom,
How wonderful that you actually knew these members of my family. I have many old photographs that belonged to my late father, some of which I think are of the Nantlle family.
Did you also know another cousin of my father, Jane Rainford nee Jones, she died 1966, 11 Victoria Terrace; her husband died two years later. I have found their grave in Macpeleh, Penygroes, next to Jane's grandparents (My gt.grandparents) Owen and Jane Jones.
Jane had a brother Lewellyn Wynne Jones born 1890 days before the death of his mother, Laura Jones nee Jones.
Other Jones family had lived 1 Kinmel Terrace.
I will p.m. you with my email address, if that is o.k. with you?
Diolch,
Glenys
Gwil,
Thank you so very much for all that information on Evan Evans; I am so glad to know what became of him, sadly it was an untimely death.
Glenys
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Glenys
You're welcome. I presume you know that Llewelyn Wynne Jones was also a WW1 casualty?
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On 21st march 1916 Llewelyn Wynne Jones, single man, born 30/10/1890 of 451 Sargents Ave, Winnipeg, Canada attested into the Canadian Army at Winnipeg. He was allocated Pte 292299 in the 222nd Overseas battalion, CEF. Also stamped on the papers is 106th Winnipeg Light Infantry. His next of Kin was given as his sister M A Jones, Ala Road, Pwllheli.
In Memoriam. Llewelyn Wynne Jones, 1st Canadian Mounted Rifles, Winnipeg, Manitoba and formerly of Ty Capel Baladeulyn, Nantlle who lost his life in France 15/7/1917. (HC 13/7/1918)
CWGC: Pte 292299 L W Jones, 1st Canadian Mounted Rifles battalion who died 15/7/1917 aged 26 years. Son of Llewelyn and Laura Jones of Nantlle, Penygroes, Carnarvonshire. Buried in grave I.F.5 at la Targette British Cemetery, Neuville-St Vaast. "
Gwil
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I've just noticed what you said about Llewelyns' mother died soon after his birth. The CWGC entry doesn't indicate 'the late'. I now see that I musn't assume that just because the man is shown as 'son of..' then that indicates the parents were still alive. Helps when I'm baffled at census entries!
Gwil
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Hi
Not sure whether this is the same Llewelyn Wynne Jones?:
1901 Census : 12 Victoria Terrace:
Hugh (49, slate loader) and Dorothy (49) Jones and their daughter Mary Anne (26, unm., school mistress) and ADOPTED SON Llewelyn Wynne Jones (10)
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Glenys, I knew Mrs Rainford Very well, she used to visit Maggie Llewelyn Jones who lived in 8 Kinmel Terrace. We lived as a family in No 9. Mrs Rainford had a son called Leslie.
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Gwil,
I wasn't aware that Llewelyn had emigrated or that he had died in WW1. Many thanks for this information.
Very interesting that the CWGC info states his parents to be his birth parents, not his adopted parents. Maybe he wasn't legally adopted !!!
He was born 30th october 1890 Penrorsedd Terrace, his mother Jane died same address , of 'confinement septicaemia' on 9 November 1890.
1891 finds him aged 5 years boarding at 25 Nantlle Terrace.
1901 - 12 Victoria Terrace, adopted son of Hugh and Dorothy Jones.
1912 ish - Chapel House, Nantlle - ships agents clerk, still living with adopted parents.
His father Llewelyn Jones born 1861 Nantlle, remarried in 1899 to Margaret A.Hughes, b.c. 1867 Llanllyfni.
1891 - 3 Baladeulyn Terrace - widowed.
1901 - same address - now remarried.
1912 ish they were living 8 Kinmel Terrace with their children Owen Hugh Jones bc.1902, and Maggie Jones b.c. 1905.
Rhosboeth,
Thanks for the 1901 info - always good to find other posters interested in helping others.
Diolch,
Glenys
:) :)
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ErsTom,
Jane Rainford nee Jones, as well as being a cousin to my Dad and his four sisters, was a very close friend of my Dad's eldest sister, Dilys.
It really is an exciting time for me, to be in contact with you, who knew these members of my family !!!!!!
Glenys
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ErsTom,
Do you know if there any any relatives/descendants of the family in Nantlle??
Glenys
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Please remember to use the PM system for any and all information related to living and potentially living persons.
Thank you
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To Big G, nO THERE ARE NO LIVING RELATIVES IN Nantlle at present. But there are in Rhosgadfan. And also in Menai Bridge and Dublin! I'm in touch often with the family in Dublin. Ers tom
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ErsTom,
I have sent you a p.m.
Doilch,
Glenys
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ErsTom,
Do you recognise any of these ladies?
G.
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Glenys
Can't help with the ladies but, in case you didn't know, the location looks like Rhyl with the old Pavilion in the background.
See blog dated 4 8 2010 here
http://rhyl-life.blogspot.com/search/label/OLD%20PAVILION
There may be better photos to 'prove' it.
Gwil
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Dear G. i'm unfamiliar with the jargon p.m. but I do recognise the lady at the front of the photo on the left.She is Miss Winnie Evans. I didn't know her then but I would recognise her. Eryl
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Eryl
p.m is messaging function of this forum (personnal messenger)
See top of page for yours where it says
'Welcome back ErsTom you have X messages'
click on the X messages bit and you should get your messages.
Gwil
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Perseverance is the name of the family history game..............................after noticing a tree on Anc. which had names and dates matching my tree re relatives in Nantlle, I quickly fired off a private message and got an almost instant reply from a gt.grandaughter of Evan Owen and Elizabeth Jones nee Jones who lives Pwllheli, her sister lives Nantlle.
Like Erstom, she remembers some of the folk in my tree.
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At about the time I was typing my message, her sister in Nantlle had come across my plea for information on my Nantlle family..................spooky eh?
We are frantically exchanging information and photographs; it's so exciting.