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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: morminor on Wednesday 10 March 10 14:42 GMT (UK)
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I have just work out theory about my great parents which is more likely a major possible.
My Great grandfather was married in 1870 in New Zealand his name was DAVID MCNAMARA.
David arrive in New Zealand in 1866 on Blue Jacket they were Bernard and Catherine MCNAMARA and settle at place call mt grey in North Canterbury. Now David wasn't with them. And when they died that he was only child (unusually in those and David had 8 children himself).
Bernard and Catherine MCNAMARA were from County Downs, Ireland.
Now to the next part of mystery is David wife ELLEN MARY SULLIVAN she always be a mystery woman my father couldn't tell me much of where she came for other the thought she was Irish. And one fact we did she named the young son with a family name Ambrose Brown. To this day I haven't never been able to trace this family name.
Now why the Australian board to post on... After have research on Australia records at my local genelogy group tonight.
The penny finally drop as two other grand parent to Austraila first what the chance they went to Australia before coming to New Zealand. having a look at internet tonight and other resources. I think this what happen.
So where do I start?? my grand father Robinson was giving to me and all did was check details.
Could this be true these great grand parents too.
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My Great grandfather was married in 1870 in New Zealand his name was DAVID MCNAMARA.
David arrive in New Zealand in 1866 on Blue Jacket they were Bernard and Catherine MCNAMARA and settle at place call mt grey in North Canterbury. Now David wasn't with them. And when they died that he was only child (unusually in those and David had 8 children himself).
I don't wish to appear rude but this statement is rather puzzling.
Do you mean that Bernard and Catherine were his parents and they arrived at a different time to him, David that is
thanks Jenn
Also, can you give a year of birth for David McNamara and Ellen Mary O'Sullivan
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Hi Jenn
I start realizing the facts very early hours of this morning and quick check of a disc have look like the have arrived via Australia
David MCNAMARA born about 1851 in County Down, Irealand his Parent were Bernard and Cathrine MCNAMARA
married in May 1870 at Amberley, NewZealand
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Ellen Mary SULLIVAN born about 1850?? place unknown and parents unknown.
I can not find shipping record into New Zealand from Ireland for either them, But I can find both name appearing coming from Victoria, Australia. I can't not be certain these are my Ellen Sullivan or D McNamara.
As stated orginally David parents came to new zealand from Ireland in 1866.
The family farm that my Grand Father was brought up was at Mt Grey just out Amberley.
So locical idea they when to Australaia first.
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You can check departures from Victoria to foreign ports here http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide023/PROVguide023.jsp The only Ellen SULLIVAN I can see travelling to NZ before 1870 was aged 7 in 1868. Do you have a ship name for the Ellen that you found arriving in NZ?
Debra
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I am currently working on my family tree. I have a Charles McCrenor (Born in Methven NZ) married to Irene McLaughlin (in Parkes NSW Aust), they had 2 children that I know of, Kevin D'Arcy born about 1831 died 1994, and Doreen Joyce born about 1833. If any of these names ring a bell with anyone please contact me.
Kerrin
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I am currently working on my family tree. I have a Charles McCrenor (Born in Methven NZ) married to Irene McLaughlin (in Parkes NSW Aust), they had 2 children that I know of, Kevin D'Arcy born about 1831 died 1994, and Doreen Joyce born about 1833. If any of these names ring a bell with anyone please contact me.
Kerrin
Hello there
Welcome to rootschat
you will need to start a new thread/subject/topic to get your information out to more of our fellow rootshcatters
thanks JEnn
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Hi Jenn
Kerrin has been touch with before and know the name McNamara fit into McCrenor family.
My Grandparent are David McNamara and Jane McCrenor.
My Great Grandparent are David McNamara and Ellen Mary Sullivan
and My Great Great Grandparent are Bernard McNamara and Catherine.
So Kerrin was see if Charles McCrenor that she detail on was part of this picture and she also in contact with myself and has McNamara family tree. Which she give her chance to make contact with another person to help one her contact for another website. As she had realist she was dealing with same person.
So in this case Charles McCrenor is great uncle as he grandmother brother. As there only two male ever come to New Zealand with McCrenor name one been James who married Hannah Quinn and had family (who was Jane and Charle's father) and Hugh who never married and died on West Coast. There is good chance if looking for David and Ellen McNamara will know the name McCrenor.
Thank Kerrin I have send you personal message today.
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My uncle married a Doreen McCrena or McCrenor as I now believe the surname is spelt. She was born in 1933 and as far as I know her father came from New Zealand. They are a mystery to me as well.
Mary-Anne
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This may only serve to deepen the mystery of this post BUT HERE GOES???
Arrived Adelaide on Grand Trianon from Liverpool 1855? In the lists of SINGLE women.
McNamara Catherine 21 Farm Servant Limerick .
Neil
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I have received a personal message, but as I am new here I can't reply until I have made 3 posts. Hopefully this will work as number 2.
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Just post one more time & you will have access to the PM system ;)
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Thanks
I'm not sure why but I was able to reply after my 2nd post.
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I am a grandson of William Ambrose Brown McNamara, born in 1882, whose parents were David McNamara and Ellen Sullivan. Grandad Will married Honora Connell and had six children of whom my father was the eldest.
All my brothers are with me at the moment visiting. One tells me that our Aunt Lucy's story was that David came in from Australia, having jumped ship. We have records which show that Ellen Sullivan arrived in NZ either on the "Glenmark" or the "Matako". The info on the 'Matako" comes from an obituary in the Christchurch Press 22/9/1937.
Info re the 'Glenmark' comes from a note written on a copy of that obituary written by a daughter of Jack McNamara, Erica Hopkinson, who was David and Ellen's second son. According to cousin Erica, Ellen arrived on 21 January 1865 having embarked on the 'Glenmark' in the UK on 29 October 1864. Ellen came from County Waterford.
Like you, we have not found an entry point for David or Ellen. I have found in an Irish Census the fact that a Bernard McNamara and a Catherine Quinn both lived in the same road in County Down near Downpatrick which fits too well not be taken very seriously as referring to our great great grandparents.
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Hi Brian,
Here is an Ellen SULLIVAN arriving on the Glenmark which is probably the same record that your cousin found.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12143-25171-54?cc=1609792
I can't find any mention of a ship named Matako.
Debra :)
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Ellen came from County Waterford.
The Ellen on the Glenmark was from county Cork.
Debra :)
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Has anyone purchased a copy of Ellen's death cert? Depending on who the informant was it could contain some useful info, including her parents' names.
https://bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/datacollected/death.aspx
You also really need a more precise place of birth or some other family indicator - there were a lot of Ellen SULLIVANs born in Ireland. Does birthplace 'Waterford' come from a NZ document?
Debra :)
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Hi Brian,
Here is an Ellen SULLIVAN arriving on the Glenmark which is probably the same record that your cousin found.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12143-25171-54?cc=1609792
I can't find any mention of a ship named Matako.
Hi
I have also so found that same record on Glenmark Ellen SULLIVAN is about 21 in Oct 1864 as the age is take went ship is leaving. she was Cork.
So from this she would been about 1843.
When we look at Ellen Mary SULLIVAN (McNamara) death in 1937 she about 90 so born about 1847 and obituary state Waterford. but of course which one her 8 children wrote this? was it John? or William? (Brian grandfather) or David? (my grandfather) or eldest Bernard or one four girls?
Debra :)
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Especially For Cuplafocal and Kerrin to kept you in both in loop.
Yes have just seen the QUINN again
Ok I'll explain (thanks to Brian for solution this mystery)
As you are taking about Charles MCCRENOR with his mother Hannah nee QUINN (Hannah are parent David QUINN and Mary LUNDY)
now Catherine QUINN (married David McNamara senior) has come up.
this was unbelieveable to me too! David QUINN and Catherine QUINN are brother and sister! there parents were David QUINN and Margaret MOORE.
Yes I didn't know for sure until I got Brian and his brothers! Big Thank you to cuz Brian
as I had another clue that could gone opposite way.