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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: Eilleen on Saturday 24 April 10 15:16 BST (UK)
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Could someone please explain what the hand writting means ???
thank you Eilleen.
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It looks like "deleted from suspense list/9 Auth 13913 and the campaign is the British Expeditionary Force 1914.
As to what it means I would suspect you will need to see his service record which may explain it better
Rob
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Suspense List was, as suggested, for when the award of medals was not to proceed for the present. It could be while they were the subject of a court martial or other inqury. If the man's record has not survived you will probably never know why his claim was suspended.
Another reason, in the case of officers promoted from the ranks, was that the War Office wanted to ensure he had not received his medals as a result of his experience in the ranks. I don't suppose you can tell from the card how long he was on the Suspense List?
Ken
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Eilleen,
Could you let us have the name and his service number please
Rob
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It seems to imply a court martial
Have a look at this link to Great War Forum search for "Suspense list" (http://www.google.com/cse?cx=002798400874848644082%3Awsccetj4afm&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Suspense+List%22&sa=Search&siteurl=www.google.com%2Fcse%2Fhome%3Fcx%3D002798400874848644082%3Awsccetj4afm)
In particular on that link you will find
"Temporary 2nd Lieutenant Joseph John. Houlihan 3rd Battalion, The Connaught Rangers is dismissed the Service by sentence of a General Court-Martial 11 Oct 1918. Suspense List/B1"
" he has two MICs. The second gives his name as Percival Claude Cockerell and includes reference to Percival Claude Cockerill. It also mentions a "suspense" list. .....an entry in the Gazette for the same man after he won the MC and was commissioned 2nd Lieut. He was dismissed the service by sentence of a Court Martial.
Both mention officers, as is in your case. You may find that it was something to do with how officers left the service after adverse court martial proceedings
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Thank you for all the help,
Name is G R Haddesley is this imformation any good in the quest.
Eilleen
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You would save yourself a lot of flaffing about if you just bought his service record
Lt G R Haddelsey at National Archives (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=913849&CATLN=6&Highlight=%2CHADDELSEY&accessmethod=0) never sure if those links last or not, anyway it is there.
You can get a quote from them and get it emailed, usually not too expensive
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Interesting that the link is there and he is mentioned on TNA site yet a search of the service records on Ancestry and he is non existent
Rob
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Rob
It is only other ranks on Ancestry. No officers I'm afraid.
Glen
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Now that I didnt know I thought it covered all the ranks including commissioned officers. Thanks
Rob
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George Robert Haddelsey wasn't commissioned until 31st December 1914:
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/29026/pages/64
That's the only entry I can find so far and it looks a bit ominous that his service file ends in 1917:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08ja/
Phil
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corisande,
Thank you for the advice, have stopped flaffing about :)
and within the next 10 days , they will send me a quote for the papers.
I do know he joined up at the outbreak of war,at Leeds University, O.T.C.
Commision recieved Dec 1914,
sent to France Oct 1915,
sent home after 6 mths with Trench Fever,
sent out again in Sept 1916, gassed 10 days later,
developed Trench Fever again whilst in hospital so send back to Old Blighty.
office work for a few weeks,
a little while before he came out of the army,
he was drafted to a new battalion, 15th resrve training battalin, at Brocton camp, Stafford.
and was at once given comand of a company.
this imformation I found in a letter he had written to the War Office. and The Telegraph newspaper , and Daily Mail ???
Eilleen.
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http://www.4-lom.com/sandall/order-of-battle-1915.html
Hes not with 5th Lincolns in Feb 1915....Ebook available on the link.
Ady
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Thank you for the advice, have stopped flaffing about
No doubt you are feeling much better for it too. :)
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15th Training Battalion does not seem to have existed
http://www.1914-1918.net/lincolns.htm
They are not always right, but are more often than not. I cannot force a reference to 15th battalion out of Google
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51st Bn Sherwood Foresters. Formed from the 246th Graduated Bn which in turn was formed from the new 15th Training Reserve Bn.
Source:http://www.warpath.orbat.com/misc_units/grad_bns.htm
Ady :)
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ady,
your a star :)
every bit helps towards the bigger picture
Eilleen.
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The Arcives have been in touch,
and say there are 77 pages that I can purchase,
is this a normal amount,
or does it sound like I will get some nonsense for my money ???
Eilleen.
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77 pages is a bit more than they kept on most men. So why do they have that many pages ? (rhetorical question)
In the abstract it is difficult to know what you will get exactly - it could be pages on his medical records if he had for example been sick a lot, or it could be a full write up (perhaps) of a court martial.
You don't say how much they quote for sending you the records, but if it is within your budget, you stand a sporting chance of getting something interesting.
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Slightly off topic but, if you want to know more about Brocton Camp there's a very good little book about the camps (there were two, Brocton Camp and Rugeley Camp) called "A Town for Four Winters" by C. J. and G. P. Whitehouse. It has plans of the camp and several "then and now" photographs.*
There's also some interesting info at http://www.cannockchasedc.gov.uk/site/HeritageTrail/great_war.html
Tony
*info courtesy of Tom Morgan, Great War Forum.
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Thanks Tony. :)
Eilleen.
cost to recieve just under £50 ::)
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Hi :)
I take ages but get there in the end ???
Have just recieved about 50 pages , so far not very interesting ::) but I have only flicked through them.
looks like lots of jargon I will not understand ??? so I am sure I will be back shortly with lots of questions :)
Eilleen.
just glaced at one page, Trench fever and gassed ??? ???