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Hello,
Can anyone help with further information on this family?
I am looking for anything on them if possible as this is all I have.
Edmund Robert WALLER married Agnes ROBERTSON, 1866 Victoria.
I don't know when they died or where they are buried.
They had five children as far as I know:
Edmund Robert - b. 1867
George - b. 1871
Agnes Patullo - b. 1873
John Taw - b. 1877
Maud Elizabeth - b. 1879
Nothing past the children apart from their births.
Any assistance would be appreciated.
Thankyou,
Kala
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Hello Kala
Are you able to provid us with the parents names for Edmund WALLER and Agnes Robertson etc
here is the marriage detail
ROBERT WALLER born Dublin married AGNES RTOBERTSON BORN PErth in 1866 reg no 2815
thanks Jenn
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Hi Kala,
Robert WALLER { b Dublin} m Agnes ROBERTSON { b Perth} 1866 # 2815
1. Edmund Robert b 1867 Melb # 22982
2. George b 1871 Melb # 10413 d 1872 Carlton # 950
3. Agnes Pettelo b 1873 Melb N # 18443
4. John Taw b 1877 Carlton # 13818
5. Maud Elizabeth b 1879 Fitzroy # 9236
There is no further mention of this family in Victoria that I can see. Maybe they went to another state possibly WA given Agnes' birthplace ?
Regards
Alison
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Are you able to provid us with the parents names for Edmund WALLER and Agnes Robertson etc
thanks Jenn
Hello Jenn,
Parents to Agnes were John & Elizabeth.
Sorry, I have no information at all about Edmund Waller.
Kala
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There is no further mention of this family in Victoria that I can see. Maybe they went to another state possibly WA given Agnes' birthplace ?
Regards
Alison
Hello Alison,
Agnes was born 1845 in Perthshire, Scotland not Perth WA.
Kala
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Hi Kala,
I checked WA nothing there { thanks for the update} and NSW couldn't find anything. There are lots of Wallers leaving VIC at that time but no names just initials and titles - Mr, Mrs etc.
What else do you know about this family ? Are they related to you somehow ?
The more we know the more we might find ;)
Regards
Alison
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Hi Kala
Maybe the family went to NZ could not find anything in WA.Found this
New Zealand Maritime Index
Waller, John Taw Engineer 1905
There is also this marriage
Edmund Robert Waller
Elizabeth Savage
1891
Births
1891 Waller Vergie May Elizabeth
1904 Waller Eileen Ruby
1899 Waller Hazel Devonport
1893 Waller Reta Maud Agnes
1909 Waller Valentine Peter
Death
Waller Edmund Robert
Died 1922 Age 55Y
which would fit in with the 1867 birth
Cheers Sue
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Here are a couple more marriages
1899
Agnes Patilla Waller
John James Kealey
1900
Maud Elizabeth Waller
David Henry Kirk
there is also this marriage which is rather interesting
1887
Agnes Waller
John Taw
Cheers Sue
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Well found Sue
;D
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast
New Zealnd papers have referenceto EDMUND ROBERT WALLER
not in a good light though ;)
Jenn
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Hi Jen
Thanks,luck John had an unusual middle name
There is this probate ,wondering if he dropped the Waller name
TAW John
Auckland
Master Mariner
1916
Births
Mother Agnes Pattela Father John James
1908 Kealey Jack Charles
1899 Kealey Agnes Elizabeth
1903 Kealey Edna May
1903/17173 Kealey Edna May Agnes Patella John James
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And more
Mother Maud Elizabeth Father David Henry
1907 Kirk Muriel Jessie
1910 Kirk Verena Maud
1903 Kirk Moria Eliza Taw
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What else do you know about this family ? Are they related to you somehow ?
Alison
Hi Alison,
Agnes was my gg-aunt, sister to my gg-grandmother, all I have on her is her birth as above, the family's arrival in Victoria in 1854, her marriage & the five children. Then after the birth of the last one in 1879 they all vanish...
As I have already said I have nothing on her husband Edmund Robert Waller Snr at all.
Kala
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Maybe the family went to NZ could not find anything in WA.Found this
Cheers Sue
Hi Sue,
Thankyou very much!
It seems at least all the children have appeared in NZ marrying & having families.
Do the parents deaths appear there?
Kala
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http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast
New Zealnd papers have referenceto EDMUND ROBERT WALLER
Jenn
Thanks Jenn,
I will catch up reading them all later as this appears to be the son Edmund Robert Jnr.
Kala
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http://bdmhistoricalrecords.identityservices.govt.nz/home/
you can search NZ BDM's here
Jenn
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Perhaps a request on the NZ board, linking this post.
Cheers
Cando
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Posted by: tropicalj Posted on: Today at 01:45:33
http://bdmhistoricalrecords.identityservices.govt.nz/home/ you can search NZ BDM's here
Jenn
Thankyou Jenn, much easier than trawling through the microfiche...
I have been having a browse & can see these, the marriage was posted above by Sue.
This marriage in NZ: Agnes Waller + John Taw 1887/2385 matches with this death in NZ: Taw Agnes 43yrs 1895/2742
So it doesn't match with Agnes Waller (mother) remarriage or death or Agnes Patullo Waller (daughter) she married Kealey in 1899 & died in 1950 so I don't know who it is? But it is an oddity.
Still can't find the deaths of Edmund Robert Waller Snr & wife Agnes in NZ indexes sadly.
Kala
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Perhaps a request on the NZ board, linking this post.
Cheers
Cando
Thankyou Cando, I will do that now.
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Hi kala
Looks like Maud Elizabeth Waller & David Henry Kirk divorced
Auckland Divorce files
KIRK David Henry - Maud Elizabeth
1924 1924 High Court Auckland, Department of Justice O Akld
Auckland divorce files
KIRK David Henry - Maud Elizabeth
1928 1928 High Court Auckland, Department of Justice
Don't know why there are two files
Cheers Sue
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Thanks Sue,
I have no idea about how the NZ divorce system works, maybe the NZ boards can enlighten us as I have just posted over there with a link back to here.
Kala
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NZ boards link:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,451647.
Kala
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Edmund Robert Waller died 1922 if it is the same one
I am not sure where yet.
Reg No 1922/3123 aged 55 years
Newbe
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Edmund Robert Waller died 1922 if it is the same one
I am not sure where yet.
Reg No 1922/3123 aged 55 years
Newbe
Thanks Newbe, but that's Edmund Robert WALLER Jnr b. 1867.
He has been listed in the previous posts & I noted him in my first post.
Kala
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Sorry about that as i did not see it the first time
He is the only one I can find with that name
newbe
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Hi kala
Looks like Maud Elizabeth Waller & David Henry Kirk divorced
Auckland Divorce files
KIRK David Henry - Maud Elizabeth
1924 1924 High Court Auckland, Department of Justice O Akld
Auckland divorce files
KIRK David Henry - Maud Elizabeth
1928 1928 High Court Auckland, Department of Justice
Don't know why there are two files
Cheers Sue
Have added to the NZ thread about the two files
Newbe
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Hello chatters,
I have just found Edmund Robert WALLER Snr's arrival with his parents & siblings in Australia so that gives me a birth year of 1843 hopefully I can now find his parents & siblings details in Victoria.
Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists to Victoria
Name: WALLER
Date: NOV 1859
Ship: Champion of Seas
Geo, age 50yrs
Mrs, age 40yrs
John Thos, age 20yrs
Eliza, age 18yrs
Edmd R, age 16yrs
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In 1859
Eliza, age 18yrs
ie born c1841.
Marriage
WALLER Eliza
LEADBEATER John
1864 Reg#1310
Death
LEADBEATER Eliza
Father Waller George Mother Charlotte FAUKNER
47 years at Hotham 1888 Reg#13988
If it is your family
WALLER Charlotte
Father Faulkner John Mother Mary CUDGHY
68 years at Melbourne East 1884 Reg#13146
Cando
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Well found Cando ;D
possible death but the age is out slightly
WALLER Jno Thos died aged 59 in 1903 at Kew, Victoria reg no 13875
parents unknown
Jenn
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Death in NSW
reg no 16042/1928 WALLER GEORGE S
father GEORGE
mother CHARLOTTE
registration district
DUNGOG
Jenn
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possible death but the age is out slightly
Jenn
I cannot find another Charlotte on the death indexes and ages on shipping indexes are rarely correct. Only 3 years difference with the years of birth of Charlotte on the passenger record and the death reg. I guess the certificate would reveal all :)
Edmund Robert WALLER married Agnes ROBERTSON, 1866 Victoria.
Kala
Do you have this certificate? Are the groom's parents George and Charlotte FAULKNER?
Cando
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possible death but the age is out slightly
Jenn
I cannot find another Charlotte on the death indexes and ages on shipping indexes are rarely correct. Only 3 years difference with the years of birth of Charlotte on the passenger record and the death reg. I guess the certificate would reveal all :)
Edmund Robert WALLER married Agnes ROBERTSON, 1866 Victoria.
Kala
Do you have this certificate? Are the groom's parents George and Charlotte FAULKNER?
Cando
Cando
possible death but the age is out slightly
referred to
WALLER Jno Thos died aged 59 in 1903 at Kew, Victoria reg no 13875
parents unknown
not Charlotte
thanks Jenn
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I have been having a browse & can see these, the marriage was posted above by Sue.
This marriage in NZ: Agnes Waller + John Taw 1887/2385 matches with this death in NZ: Taw Agnes 43yrs 1895/2742
So it doesn't match with Agnes Waller (mother) remarriage or death or Agnes Patullo Waller (daughter) she married Kealey in 1899 & died in 1950 so I don't know who it is? But it is an oddity.
Hi Kala
Hmm ... and there's also this New Zealand birth. ???
1881 - TAW - Charles James
Parents: Agnes and John
Could this Agnes TAW who dies in 1895, be the former wife of Edmund Robert WALLER snr. ?
Yes, I know her "age at death" (43 - bc 1852) doesn't stack up with the Agnes b.c. 1845 ... but ... ? :D
* So, who is the Agnes having a child with John TAW in 1881 ? ::) ;D
[This TAW surname is somewhat rare in NZ records, just the deaths of Agnes, John and Elizabeth, two births 1881 + 1907 (father, John) ... and two marriages for John. Can't immediately see anything further for Charles James TAW, (nor John Philip TAW b. 1907 to Elizabeth & John.) ]
I guess there's the question too about how John Taw WALLER (b. VIC 1877), got his name ?
~ Lu
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There is this probate ,wondering if he dropped the Waller name
TAW John
Auckland
Master Mariner
1916
:)
This probate file relates to John TAW - d. 1916 aged 64 years (born circa 1852).
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Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists to Victoria
Name: WALLER
Date: NOV 1859
Ship: Champion of Seas
Geo, age 50yrs
Mrs, age 40yrs
John Thos, age 20yrs
Eliza, age 18yrs
Edmd R, age 16yrs
Kala
WALLER Jno Thos died aged 59 in 1903 at Kew, Victoria reg no 13875
parents unknown
Jenn
Inquest -
WALLER John Thomas
1903 Ref#1162
Place of death [Kew] and subsequent inquest could indicate death at Kew Asylum. Perhaps this is the reason, if it is your John T WALLER, that the age is incorrect.
Cheers
Cando
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Mmm ... don't know if there are any coincidences to be had, here ?
From Sue's earlier post >
NZ Maritime Index
WALLER - John Taw - Engineer - 1905
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"Countess of Ranfurly" of Sydney
From Port of Vila (New Hebrides) to Sydney 9 February 1909
Crew
TAW - C. -- Engineer -- age 26 -- Native place, Auckland
[Source: Mariners in Australian Waters ]
C. TAW is very possibly the child "Charles James TAW" born 1881 in NZ ?
Sorry, I don't have access to NZ school records which might hopefully confirm a "Mr TAW" as guardian of the WALLER children. And maybe it is just coincidence that the WALLER boy and a C. TAW, have similar occupations ?
~ Lu
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NSW BMD
Marriage
2470 / 1910
TAW - Charles J.
ADKINS - Rachel T.
Reg'd. at Petersham
Death
17693 / 1943
TAW - Charles James
Parents: James ?? and Agnes
Reg'd. at Chatswood
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http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17858763?searchTerm=TAW+Charles+JAmes
this is a link to the newpaper notice of Charles James Taw aged 63
lists his wife as Rachael Thyra Taw and names his two daughters.
Jenn
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Are there two Edmund Robert WALLER's in New Zealand - this one b.1857.
Is he the subject of the newspaper item?
Death
1922/3123
WALLER Edmund Robert 55 years
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17858763?searchTerm=TAW+Charles+JAmes
this is a link to the newpaper notice of Charles James Taw aged 63
lists his wife as Rachael Thyra Taw and names his two daughters.
Jenn
And he appears on the electoral rolls with one dau. More info on NSW bdm's etc. if required.
Cando
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Hi There,
I can only find reference to one Edmund Robert WALLER in NZ, The same as you found Cando
It looks like he is the one in the Papers Past article
Newbe
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Hello Chatters,
For some reason I haven't received any notifications of replies today... strange ???
A big THANKYOU to you all for the information that you have found :-*
Kala
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Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists to Victoria
Name: WALLER
Date: NOV 1859
Ship: Champion of Seas
Geo, age 50yrs
Mrs, age 40yrs
John Thos, age 20yrs
Eliza, age 18yrs
Edmd R, age 16yrs
Kala
Charlotte WALLER buried in the Melbourne General Cemetery on 10 Dec1884 aged 68 years in the Church of England Area, Compartment CC, Grave# 525.
Also in this grave are -
George WALLER 85 years buried on 12 Feb 1886
John F J* WALLER 60 years buried on 17 Oct 1903 *? T.
Louise C WALLER 45 years buried on 17 Mar 1907
Death
WALLER George
Parents unknown
85 years at Port Melbourne 1886 Reg#2942
There is a file for George, including a Will on
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=54
However I did download it when doing the initial research and if I recall it wasn't very informative. May have mentioned a son Thomas....but you will need to download the file.
Deaths
WALLER John Thomas
Parents unknown
59 years at Kew 1903 Reg#13875
WALLER Louisa Carol
Father Machin William Barwell Mother Sarah SMITH
48 years at Prahran 1907 Reg#2670
Marriage
MACHIN Louisa Carol born Sandridge
WALLER Thomas Joslen born Sydney
1883 Reg#3165
Cheers
Cando
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This is probably no connection but i have an AGNES WALLER married to FRANK JAMES TRIBE. Franks mother Jessy Elizabeth TRIBE (GIBLIN) died 19 Dec 1904, Hawthorn, Vic.
As a long shot, check WALLEN, as a family in England has the 2 spellings.
Jim