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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Cornwall => England => Cornwall Lookup Requests => Topic started by: kitching on Sunday 18 April 10 16:11 BST (UK)
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Hi
Can any help with the wedding of Stephen kessel to a Elizabeth ? on the 1851 census Stephen is age 50 and Elizabeth age 42 they were living in Kenwyn.
I am having trouble finding them.
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Hi kitching,
Stephen KESTEL = Elizabeth POLLARD 9 Aug 1820 Kea.
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi
Thank you I found .
Val
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Hi
I wonder if you would be able to tell me the children and family of Stephen and Elizabeth Kissell. I think his son might be John Kessell/Kissell( birth ab 1836) who emigrated to NZ and I am a descent of their line. I think John married Mary Ann Pollar and so interested to see if Elizabeth and Mary Ann may have any connection also if this is correct.
I am also trying to trace William Henry Kissell on another line in my family whose father was Henry Laity but have found no trace of him before his marriage. I think that he might have changed his name for a time to William Henry Goldsworthy whilst his mother Mary was married to Joseph Goldsworthy but changed it once Joseph died.
Any information you are able to share would be greatly appreciated.
Kind Regards
Debbie Fahey - nee Kissell
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Stephen and Elizabeths children would appear to be :
1821 Stephen
1827 Thomas
1830 Mary Ann
1833 Caroline
1835 John
1837 James
The last four children were baptised en masse on a Wesleyan Circuit, Truro in 1837. You can see the entries for yourself on the IGI index.
Fizzy
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John Kessell and Mary Ann Pollard married Chacewater 1859. Entry on Cornwall OPC database shows that John's father was named Stephen, so could be the right John you are looking for.
I can find two children for them :
1857 Chacewater Mary Jane
1862 Mithian Caroline.
Fizzy
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1861 Census
Kea, Cornwall
RG9/1563/15/5
John KESSELL, 26, Head, Mar, Copper Miner, born Kenwyn
Mary Ann, 30, Wife, Mar, born Kenwyn
Elizabeth, 1, Daug, born Kea
1851 Census
Kenwyn, Cornwall
HO107/1910/510/1
Stephen KESSELL, 52, Head, Mar, Tin and Copper Miner
Elizabeth, 42, Wife, Mar, Miners Wife, born Kea
JOHN, 15, Son, Unm, Miner
James, 13, Son, Miner
Martin, 7, Son, Miners Son
Elizabeth, 6, Daug, Miners Daug
All others except Elizabeth born Kenwyn
1841 Census
Kenwyn, Cornwall
HO107/147/16/Kenwyn
Stephen KESSELL, 46, Copper Miner
Elizabeth, 40
Elizabeth, 17
William, 15
Thomas, 13
Mary, 11
Caroline, 8
JOHN, 6
James, 4
Eliza, 1
All born in County
Trish :)
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Hi Debbie,
When did John and Mary Ann emigrate to NZ and what Children did they take with them?
There is another JOHN/Mary Ann Kessell in the 1861 Census with Children;
John Alfred 8
Mary Jane 1
RG9/1561/18/29
The Marriage Fizzy found is correct though for your John.
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Re his father being Henry Laity.
Henry Laity blacksmith was "married" to Elizabeth Kessel born Paul 1812. They had James 1832, Catherine Kessel 1836 and Mary 1841.
Mary Kessel who went on to be Mary Goldsworthy was born 1797 Paul to parents William and Catherine. There doesnt appear to be a bap for Elizabeth Kessel but I bet that Elizabeth and Mary were sisters, as Elizabeth named a child Catherine Kessel Laity So (poss) Henry had an "affair" with sister Mary and they had William Henry Kessel.
Joseph Goldsworthy had been married to Mary Winn in 1821. They had their last child Alfred in 1836 and she died in 1841. Joseph then "married" Mary Kessel. Joseph died in 1850. Confusing with the two Marys but this is why when you look up Joseph and Mary in 1841 there is no William with them. The Mary in 1851 widow of Joseph Goldsworthy is Mary Kessel and William is with her.
Hope this makes some kind of sense and gives a poss explanation.
Fizzy
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HI Fizzy and Trish
RE STEPHEN / JOHN KESSELL
Thank you so muchn for all your work - I am very new to this and have be spending many hours trying to get myself sorted.
I spent four hours with my grandmother yesterday (in her 80s) and got pages of family information from her so have a lot to work with but nothing this far back.
With regards to John Kessell the 1861 census information you found Trish will be correct.
1861 Census
Kea, Cornwall
RG9/1563/5
John, Mary Ann and Elizabeth.
We have an old family letter that gives the details of their move to New Zealand has they moved to New Zealand with three children:
Elizabeth born 1860
Caroline born 1861
Martin born abt 1863
thus I believe the census information above will be correct and will then hopefully connect with the Census information for Stephen. They were all miners here in the West Coast of NZ and thus is also another connection.
Fizzy - your marriage information would seem correct and tie the Stephen Connection also. I am interesting in the births you found Mary Jane and Caroline. Caroline is correct from the information I have but Mary Jane appears to be before their marriage and did not come to NZ with them - I wonder if that is the other John and Mary Ann Kessell that has been made mention of below.
I will have a look at these details myself on the Cornwall OPC. (I can get these online right - do you know if there is more information that we can order other than the details available online or will that be all the detail there is.
Can you also tell me which is the best sit to look at this information on the IGI index.
Many thanks
Debbie
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Hi Again Fizzy
RE HENRY LAITY
This is absolutely fascinating. I have spent many hours trying to find an angle on this family and had the Goldsworthy information but nothing before and record of Mary Kessel and Joseph Goldsworthys marriage and presumed he had been married before and she had presumed care of the other children when he died.
Can you tell me where you found the information regarding Henry Laity and Elizabeth Kessel and your summation of the situation does seem to be an options and probably quite logical.
I am interested to find the birth information for William Henry Kessel to be certain he was named Kessel when born.
This is all very interesting to me as this Kessel line that I am researching thus far comes to me through my grandmother and this side of the family came directly from Cornwall to Invercargill.
The Stephen Kessell family line that I am researching comes to me through my grandfather and I am interested to learn if they connect at some stage back in Cornwall and this family came directly from Cornwall to the West Coast of NZ.
It is late tonight so will look at this tomorrow with fresh eyes.
I truly appreciate all the information and guidance that you have and can provide.
Many thanks
Debbie
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Hi
Elizabeth Kessell married Joel Whitford 31st March 1864 Truro Elizabeth was age 19, fathers were Stephen Kessell and John Whitord, both fathers were dead, at the time of their wedding,
Elizabeth died 1890 and Joel wed again.
Their son Joel born 1868 moved to Barnsley and wed a Annie Sykes, they went on to have 16 children, their last son Albert was killed in Sinapore 14th Feb 1942 age 22.
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Hi Debbie,
I am researching some family history as a favour for my girlfriend Sophie who has exhausted all avenues in trying to trace her ancestors.
I have managed to trace her paternal line back to her great great Grandmother called Caroline Kessell born 1861, whose brother was also Martin born 1863.
I am almost convinced we are researching the same family , the reason being that I managed to find Martin's death notice in 1878 published in the
Nelson Evening Mail
Vol XIII 20 April 1878 Page 2 which reads:
KESSELL- April20, Martin, eldest son of John and Mary Kessell Shelbourne Street aged 15 years.
Also in another newspaper was Caroline's marriage notice published:
Nelson Evening Mail
Vol XXI 6 September 1887 page 2 which reads:
WORTH-Kessell On the 16th August at St Mary's of the Angels , by the Rev.P. kerrigan William T Worthy of Wellington to Carrie, second daughter of John and Mary Ann Kessell , of Nelson.
Any information about the family would be wonderful especially why they moved to New Zealand.
Thankyou kind regards
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Welcome to Rootschat Phiney :)
The Census info I posted earlier on this query is your Friends Family.
Lots of Families moved to NZ in the 1860's for a better life and new oportunities and the chance of owning land.
There was also the Gold Rush in Australia and New Zealand.
From John and Mary Anns Marriage Record on Cornwall OPC his Father was STEPHEN, a Miner and hers JOHN, a Miner.
You have the 1851 Census for John Kessel I posted earlier and Mary Ann is incredibly hard to track down conclusively 1851/1841 Census.
Trish :)
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Hi Trish
Thankyou very much for your posting, I will keep you posted if I discover any more details. Since writing the first post I have discovered that following Caroline's marriage she went on to have at least 9 more children( she had a little girl one year before her marriage) and this girl named Vera Winifred Kessell moved to Australia sometime before 1916.
Regards: Jo
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Hi Jo,
That is interesting a Australia link as well. Hopefully the original posters related to the Kesells will see this soon.
Good luck,
Trish :)
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Hi
I have put down my family tree for some time but have picked it up again just recently and reformatting all my information. Yes we are researching the same family line Trish. You indicated that you are descended from Caroline who is the daughter of John and Mary Ann one of their sons was William John which is the line that I am descended from. And their parents where Stephen Kessel and Elizabeth Pollard. I have quite a bit of information on John and Mary Ann and documents, letters etc that I am happy to share etc. I also have quite a bit of information that I have gathered on your family line over the time that isn't really the line I am researching but I happen to have collected it in my travels anyway. Not sure if youa re based in NZ but I am based in Invercargill.
Kind Regards
Debbie
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Hi Debbie,
Thankyou so much for replying to my post about the Kessell family.
I am based in the far south east of NSW Australia and I am trying to help solve the mystery of why Sophie's Great Grandma left New Zealand to come to Australia during WW1.
I am wondering if you would know (as stated in your posting from 8/5/2011 ) about the letter that describes why the Kessell family moved to New Zealand or details of the trip. It would be great to be able to provide Sophie with details such as these.
Sophie is descended as follows:
Sophie
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Howard (father)
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Allan John (GRANDfather)
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Vera Winifred kESSELL (Great Gramdmother born 1886)
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Caroline Kessell ( Great Great Grandmother daughter of John and Mary Ann Kessell born 1861)
Thanks again Debbie
Regards: Jo