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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: flaggysmob on Friday 16 April 10 18:52 BST (UK)
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Hi
on my GGrandfathers medal card for WW1 it has written S.W.B list m/823. I have worked out that it is the Silver War Badge but how do I go about finding out what the m/823 means?
Also what was the difference between the 14 star ( my other GGf was awarded ) and the 15 star.
His name was Arthur Bland Flagg Sargent 7562 he was in the Rifle Brigade. It would appear that he did not serve for long as the campaign only states 1914-15 .
Many Thanks
Ian
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http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/medals.asp
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The M/823 code refers to the index for the Roll in which the award of that SWB is recorded. You can only access these at the National archives at Kew. The information that the entry would contain would be the date of enlistment and date of discharge - the reason for discharge [usually "Para 392 xvi King's Regulations - no longer physically fit for war service] sometimes whether this was from wounds or from sickness - occasionally age at discharge.
The difference between the award of the 1914 or the 1915 Stars is based simply on the date on which your man first entered a theatre of war. To be eligible for the 1914 Star a man or woman would have to be in the theatre of war between August 5th 1914, and midnight of November 22/23rd, 1914. After that date and before 31st December 1915 and it was the 1914 -1915 Star.
jds1949
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Just to add, having looked at your post again, that just because the card was stamped 1914-1915 campaign does not mean that he didn't serve beyond those dates - they were simply the dates of the campaign when he first served - he could have continued right until the end of the war or, in your man's case, when he was discharged with the SWB.
jds1949
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Hi
Thanks for the information it has helped a lot . Will have to try and get up to kew some time in the near future
Cheers
Ian
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List M/823 for you
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Andy is this a searchable data anyone can use?
I am looking for William Bruce Glasson, Royal Warwickshire Regiment awarded the SWB 21 Nov 1915 ref: L/A/246
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Hi
many thanks Andy that is really kind of you
Am I right in it reading that he was wounded and then no longer physically fit for war service (392 xvi)? but do you know what the first bit means ao II para II
Cheers
Ian
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http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=48497
Ian this may help if you scroll down to the Army Order II part
Ady
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Hi Ian
The line starting 'Disability' applies to him. There are two regulations quoted: 392 refers to why he was discharged. As he was awarded a SWB it will be Para xvi - no longer physical fit for war service. AOII etc refers to his entitlement to the SWB – under 256.
They made a mistake in the last column, as he clearly went overseas as he was awarded three medals.
'1914-15' refers to the medal and not the campaign. The SWB list gives his discharge date. There is no such medal as the 1915 Star. They use that as shorthand for the 1914-1915 Star This link will explain the qualification for the 1914 Star and 1914-1915 Star - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/medals.asp
Ken
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Hi all
many thanks for your reply's
I knew he was in France from his medal record that's where I got the mention of the swb from. Its a shame they don't give more detail about the disability as far as the family knows he was fine and worked for the post office in London for years afterwards.
he had quite a life he went to South Africa with the G Guards,
received the imperial service medal in 1931.
My dad tells the story that he was promoted in the post office but stepped back down again after a few months cause he missed the drinking with his mates
Ian