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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: luciacw on Thursday 15 April 10 18:55 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I'm a local. Currently a university student but when home for the Summer in June I would like to be of help to anyone looking for ancestors in my area. My original plan was to do some cemetery transcriptions but seem to have been foiled by this deceasedonline website ha :P. I live in Montrose so if you have any queries there I would like to be of assistance.
Regards,
Lucia
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My original plan was to do some cemetery transcriptions but seem to have been foiled by this deceasedonline website
Don't let that put you off. deceasedonline only tells you what is in the burial records. There could be lots of extra information on the stones. As far as I am aware there is no systematic record of post-1855 MIs in Angus, so that would be a very useful project to undertake.
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Yes! Good idea! Just thought I'd love to help out some researchers ;D
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I am looking for death/burial information on Barclay Beattie and Ann Young (wife) whose children, Ann, Jean, John, Ann were born in Montrose Angus Scotland c 1805 - 1821. I'm pretty sure Barclay and Ann Beattie were deceased before 1876 as they were born 1776-1781. I think they had a daughter Ann Beattie who died young c 1805 - 1820. I would greatly appreciate any help to add to my family tree.
Abi - Australia
PS Where/What is deceased online?
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Hi Abi
Link for deceased on line
https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Thank you Bruce.
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mandil
Hi friends
was wondering how i can source some info on a Charles Hendry who was married to Ann Hendry nee Smith. My grandfather was born in Montrose on 30-o7-1881. His father was either a railway porter or could be carter. The addressis pretty vague but looks like 10 ---lesia st. Montrose .
thank you
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hi mandil :)
found this in 1881
12 victoria street montrose angus
charles henry 29 railway carter born dun angus
ann henry 30 wife b. marykirk angus
allan G henry 4 son b. montrose angus
fredrick D henry 2 son b. montrose angus
charles henry 8months son b. montrose angus
also a marriage charles hendry to ann smith 12th june 1874 montrose angus
ev
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hi Ev
Thanks for the info. I'am trying to link some bits and pieces together. Sometimes the surnames are confusing. I take it that Dun Angus refers to Dundee as that was where i knew my g/father from. Will keep on going and am much obliged.
Tom
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Tom :)
there is a Dun in angus
i have a few ancestors who came from there
ev
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hi Ev
Thanks for the info. I'am trying to link some bits and pieces together. Sometimes the surnames are confusing. I take it that Dun Angus refers to Dundee as that was where i knew my g/father from. Will keep on going and am much obliged.
Tom
Yes Dun is very close to Montrose. There is the famous House of Dun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_dun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_dun House of Dun)) as well as the Church and have been out walking there often.
- Lucia
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I take it that Dun Angus refers to Dundee as that was where i knew my g/father from.
No, Dun and Dundee are two entirely different places.
The parish of Dun is between Brechin and Montrose, almost at the other end fo Angus from Dundee.
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Hi
My grand mother was born in Montrose. Her name was Betsy Low Napier Lawson. She was born on the 01.04.1882. Her father was Alexander Lawson and he was a seaman (Mate) in the merchant service. They lived at 10 or 16 India Street. Can anyone expand on what I know?
Thanks
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hi AH
welcome to rootschat :)
1881 census - 16 india street montrose angus
betsy lawson 30 seamans wife born montrose angus
sarah lawson 4 daur. b. montrose
alexander lawson son 2 b. montrose
david lawson 2months son b. montrose
sarah nicoll 29 sister unmarried flax mill worker b. montrose
marriage looks like 1st dec. 1875 montrose angus alexr. lawson and betsy
nicoll
deceased online website have a betsy nicoll lawson died 2nd jan. 1931
buried 6th jan. 1931 sleepyhillock cemetery angus
scotlandspeople website has betsy lawson(other surname nicoll) death 1931
montrose angus , born c1851
ev
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The International Genealogical Index at www.familysearch.org lists nine children of Alexander Nicol and Sarah Burness, including Betsy Low Napier Nicol, born 23 May 1850, and Sarah Nicol, born 21 April 1852.
You should be able to get Alexander's and Sarah's death certificates at modest cost on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - this should tell you the names of their parents.
See also http://www.burness.ca/ which lists Sarah Burness' antecedents and family.
HTH
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Hi
I am looking for Marrow family from Montrose Angus. David Marrow was born in 1810 he was a sailor and shipwright and he had a family of his own in Flintshire where he died. I would love to find out about his Scottish roots. Can anyone help?
Felix
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hi Felix :)
had a look at your tree on rootsweb/his marriage/children/death etc.
what evidence do you have that his family came from montrose ?
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=felix4806&id=I0189
there is a james marrow died 1862 montrose angus born c1779
buried 23rd june 1862 montrose old cemetery
mary marrow(other surname mollison) died 1866 montrose angus born c1779
buried 27th june 1866 montrose old cemetery
1841 census nursery montrose angus(freeCEN website)
james marrow
mary marrow
both - age unknown , where born - unknown(very helpfull :-\ )
perhaps someone can look at the 1851 and 1861 census for more details
ev
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Hello Lucia,
I am seeking info re James George STEPHEN born Montrose 17 July 1898. Parents were
John & Eliza. Siblings were Elizabeth, Jean, Meg & Helen. 1901 Census shows family at Balnabriech Cottar House, (no street given). Don't seem to be able to find a later Census.
James joined the Black Watch in WW1, then later the French Foreign Legion.
He emigrated to Australia after the war - date unknown.
Many thanks, June.
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1901 Census shows family at Balnabriech Cottar House, (no street given).
That's because Balnabriech is a farm in the country, where there were no streets.
Don't seem to be able to find a later Census.
The 1911 census will not be made available for research until 100 years have elapsed, that is, in 2011.
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Hi EV
Sorry I have been so long replying, life gets in the way of my correspondence sometimes. In the 1851 Wales census David Marrow is from Montrose Scotland.
Thank you very much for the information, James and Mary could be his parents. He was a seaman and had used to be on the coastal supply ships. He met his wife Elizabeth on a stopover in Shotton and settled there, where he became a shipwright.
Best wishes
Felix
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Hi luciacw
I'm from the Emerald Isle and have just come back from a fabulous week in Montrose - what a beautiful town. My grandad was born in North Esk Road and we visited all the sites associated with my family. However ... we missed out on Sleepyhillock Cemetery. I noticed that you offered to help regarding Montrose (when on holidays from University) so I am emboldened to ask for your help.
I had an ancester (my grandad's 1st cousin) named Robert Moir Smith who was buried in Sleepyhillock Cemetery. He died on 16 Dec 1926 and there are five (5) people buried in the grave. Is there any chance that you, or any other kind soul, could have a look for the grave and let me have the inscription - or even a photo of the stone. I would really appreciate it.
BTW I notice that you use the Gaelic location Aonghas. Are you a Gaelic speaker?
Best wishes and thanks in advance.
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Hello.
My great grandfather William Dunlop moved to Montrose from Glasgow in the 1920s. He joined the Merchant Navy and spent many years as a seaman. Where might he have joined the Merchant Navy from Montrose? Is there anywhere I can access information about his career? Thank you. Agnes
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Hi my name is Scott Robert Smith. I am Robert Moir Smith's Nephew. My dad was his Brother and I am very intrested in making contact with the person seeking info about Robert Moir Smith. we have very limited knowledge of or family tree. I came across Thier message by pure chance.I have a photo of our plot. My sister and i live in New Zealand.
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Hi luciacw
I'm from the Emerald Isle and have just come back from a fabulous week in Montrose - what a beautiful town. My grandad was born in North Esk Road and we visited all the sites associated with my family. However ... we missed out on Sleepyhillock Cemetery. I noticed that you offered to help regarding Montrose (when on holidays from University) so I am emboldened to ask for your help.
I had an ancester (my grandad's 1st cousin) named Robert Moir Smith who was buried in Sleepyhillock Cemetery. He died on 16 Dec 1926 and there are five (5) people buried in the grave. Is there any chance that you, or any other kind soul, could have a look for the grave and let me have the inscription - or even a photo of the stone. I would really appreciate it.
BTW I notice that you use the Gaelic location Aonghas. Are you a Gaelic speaker?
Best wishes and thanks in advance.
Hi my name is Scott Robert Smith. I am Robert Moir Smith's Nephew. My dad was his Brother and I am very intrested in making contact with the person seeking info about Robert Moir Smith. We have very limited knowledge of our family tree. I came across this message by pure chance. I have a photo of our plot. My sister and I live in New Zealand.
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Hello. I was wondering if there is a connection with these witnesses at Lancelot Strachan and Catherine Sinclair Dunlops wedding in Montrose in 1923. They were Benjamin J D Moir and Jane Duncan Moir
Regards
Agnes
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Hi sorry Don't know enough about my family tree to know if any connection.
Regards
Scotty
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Hi Scott, This is a quick message for us to get acquainted.
I wrote previously to rootschat.com that
"I had an ancestor (my grandad's 1st cousin) named Robert Moir Smith who was buried in Sleepyhillock Cemetery. He died on 16 Dec 1926 and there are five (5) people buried in the grave"
and this sparked your interest. Before I go any deeper into any possible connection would you let me have a few details about your parents, grandparents, gr/gr/parents - such as names etc. The reason I ask is because my further investigations indicate that we are not related, as Smiths, in any way - contrary to what I wrote in my initial posting - but we might have a connection through the Morrison family. If so, then I certainly have information that will help you in your quest including census returns, marriage and death certificates and photos.
You wrote that you had a photo of the family plot. Would you post that picture and that might help me.
I look forward to your reply.
Best wishes
David Smith
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Hi trying to post Picture can't do it on the pm's so give this a go. OOppp's file to large will try when I get home and can use the desk top to shrink it.
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This time ----- Maybe
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Scott, The picture is far too small for me to read. I've opened up a new Email account exclusively for the two of us. There is no need for you to do likewise (unless you want to) because I'll give you the new Email address (*[/b]) and you can then send me an Email to this temporary account from your account, to make contact. I'll then respond and everything should be hunky-dory.
I know the dangers attached to giving out an Email address but I don't mind if I get spam because the Email will be web-based (not sitting on my PC) and when our correspondence is finished I'll just close it.
Here's a teaser for you. They are the gravestones of the Morrison's in Rosehill Cemetery, Montrose. Will give fuller details later.
David
David , please use the personal message system, the little green scroll to the left of the post , for email addresses ev[/b]
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Hi all,
Started this thread ages ago but haven't been back to it as I've been exceedingly busy but will be back to it in the summer so hope I can help some of you out if you need info. on Montrose ancestors.
Lucia
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Scott
Ignore my last message re the new Email address. I've decided to use the personal message function of the RootsChat Board. I was concerned that the pictures would be too small but as we can send anything up to 500KB we'll be ok.
Here goes. I started researching my family (every branch, including my wife's) in 1998. So far I have gathered quite a lot about my Scottish ancestors through Internet archives mainly www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/, newspapers, war records, recollections of my Grandfather (Montrose born), my father and uncles (all Irish-born) and two visits to Montrose - in 1984 and 2010 - where we spoke to living relatives, local historians, library staff, newspaper men etc., etc..
My Smith family is not related to yours, but although our connection is not one of blood, I still have an amount of Morrison history to pass on. When I first posted my message last year I had just discovered that Robt Moir Smith had been best man at the wedding of Anne Birse Smith (my grand-Aunt) to Andrew Morrison. I immediately jumped to the conclusion, because of the Smith name, that Robt Moir was related to her - specifically, her 1st cousin - but I was wrong. The only reason that he acted as best man was because his girl friend/fiancee (Helen Morrison) was a sister of Andrew. So much for the Smiths.
Now for your descent from your gr/gr/grandmother. Because of my Grand Aunt Annie I have done, over the last 12 years, an amount of research about the Morrison family. This is what I have. Please note that the county of Angus was previously known as Forfar.
Your great/great/grandmother Mary Ann Wilkie (born at Logie Pert, Forfar in ca.1840) married Andrew Morrison (an agricultural labourer, born at Cortachy, Forfar in ca.1841) at MARYKIRK, county of KINCARDINE, in 1863. At the 1881 census, taken at Logie Pert, Forfar, they were living at Brae of Pert Cottars (Cottages) and they had the following children, all of whom were born at Brechin, Forfar.
Andrew age 12, Helen age 10, William age 7, Mary Ann age 4 and Jane Ann age 1.
Source: FHL Film 0203495, GRO ref Vol.304, EnumDist 1, Page 5
It should be noted that another son, Alexander, was born subsequent to the census date in 1881. It should also be noted that the dates of birth of Andrew and Mary Ann as calculated from the census differ from what might be inferred from the information on their tombstone.
[see IMG A]
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If you wish to research your ancestry I would suggest, as a first step, that you register (free) with www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ From that site you can browse (for a small fee) the Old Parish Records (pre 1855) and the Statutory Records from 1855-2009. There is a mine of information to be had there. Andrew and Mary Ann were married in 1863: search the Statutory Records and you will discover who their parents were and their occupations, residence etc. From this information you can then search the OPR for THEIR parents’ marriage etc. They died in 1890 and 1894 – search for their death registers and another door opens.
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The next event in the Morrison family was the marriage of Andrew to my grand-Aunt, Ann Birse Smith (see IMG B). The information on this register is as follows:
1896 on the Fifth day of June at 9 Panmure Row, Montrose after according to the Forms of the Established Church of Scotland Andrew Morrison, Carter, Bachelor, age 27 of 57 Union Street, Montrose. [Where your Morrison Gr/Gr/grand parents lived]
Father & Mother: Andrew Morrison, Railway Plate Layer (deceased); Mary Ann Morrison (M.S. Maiden Surname) Wilkie. [It is curious that Mary Ann is not shown as deceased although the tombstone records her death in 1894]
Ann Birse Smith, Flax Mill Worker, Age 21 of 9, Panmure Row, Montrose
Father & Mother: James Smith, Merchant Seaman (Deceased); Jessie Smith, (M.S. Niell)
Witnesses: Robert Smith, Helen Morrison
(The wedding took place at my grand-Aunt’s home. Ministers of the Church of Scotland [Presbyterian] were allowed to conduct the ceremony at any venue deemed proper and suitable – usually the Bride’s home)
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Here are the details of Plot AV/3, Sleepyhillock Cemetery, Montrose
Robert Moir Smith, Died 16 Dec 1926, Buried 16 Dec 1926, 6yrs old
Andrew Smith, Still-Born child, Buried 8 Feb 1931, Unrecorded
Norman Geddes, Buried 17 Jan 1947, Unrecorded
Helen Ann Smith Morrison, Died 30 July 1948, Buried 2 Aug 1948 [see IMG C] Let me know if you can’t decipher it!
Robert Moir Smith, Buried 16 Feb 1952, Died 14 Feb 1952
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Img C - helen smith(nee morrison) death certificate 1948
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This is the cemetery register for Robert Moir Smith age 6
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This is a photo of Andrew Morrison, (Helen's brother) and his family, my Grand-Aunt Ann Birse Smith and their only child James Cruikshanks Smith, killed in action at Loos, Belgium, 1915.
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Ah! How sad to lose an only son. Did you get to see the war memorial on your Montrose visit?
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Yes! James' name is on the War Memorial but that of another cousin, Driver David Smith, is not. I gave the details to Forbes Inglis and he said that he might make some enquiries about it.
To repeat my earlier question: Are you a Gaelic speaker? I ask because you use Aonghas instead of Angus. There are great similarities between Irish and Scots Gaelic.
Go raibh maith agat, Lucia. Slán agus Beannacht.
Dáithí (David)
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Yes! James' name is on the War Memorial but that of another cousin, Driver David Smith, is not. I gave the details to Forbes Inglis and he said that he might make some enquiries about it.
To repeat my earlier question: Are you a Gaelic speaker? I ask because you use Aonghas instead of Angus. There are great similarities between Irish and Scots Gaelic.
Go raibh maith agat, Lucia. Slán agus Beannacht.
Dáithí (David)
Alas! I do not speak Gaelic although they do teach it at some schools around here. Oh yes I do remember Forbes Inglis and his weekly column in the Review. Maybe I'll have a look at the memorial next time I'm at home and see if there are any new names recorded. It must have been interesting to visit the town and see places where your ancestors lived.
Lucia
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Lucia, Thanks for all your help. I have already received the inscription for the Robert Moir Smith grave but I'm particularly interested in the Douglas Smith stone - he was my cousin. I would be very obliged to you for another photo of the stone. There is no hurry. You may do it when its convenient.
Here's how to send a photo as an attachment. Look at your message to me and you will see the name of the recipient (urbsintacta) at the very top line of your message. Click on my name and my profile will open up. Click on "Show the latest post for this person" and you will see a whole series of my posts. Click "Reply" on any one that was sent to you (it doesn't matter which one) and a blank message page will open. Send a message and then, at the bottom of the page, you will see " send a photo as an attachment." Just click on this and migrate to where you have the photo and VOILA.
N.B. Make sure that youe photo is less than 500KB in size. I am sending you a photo of my grandfather's house at 13 North Esk road, taken last July on our visit.
You might be interested in my personal observations re Montrose. I sent the following to Forbes Inglis after we returned home to Ireland.
Forbes,
Greetings from the Emerald Isle. You might remember me (David Smith) – the Irishman who met you in the ‘Old Kirk’ in early July and, later, in the Library where you helped my sister and me decipher the books of Gravestone Inscriptions. We were spending a week in Montrose to visit our grandfather’s birthplace and to see if we could find out some more information to add to our family history. We were, I might add, delighted to meet you and to hear your suggestion that we might consider sending you some details of that history for publication in the Montrose Review – just to see if it might elicit some reply.
When we were in Montrose some twenty-six years ago I arranged for the Montrose Review to be posted to me for a few weeks after my visit to Jack Smith but I presume that I can now read your column on the Internet edition of the paper. If not, and if you decide to publish details of our visit, would you Email me your piece?
With regard to our visit you might like to note our observations. Montrose is a beautiful town and we wonder if the inhabitants realise and appreciate that fact. The town’s location is ideal – set, as it is, between the North Sea and the Basin. The architecture is wonderful. Panmure Terrace and Place, Museum Street, Church Steps, High Street with the Gable-endies, John Street, the lovely houses in the Dorward’s Institution area, the Union Street streetscape, etc., etc,. – the list goes on and on. Then, the succession of Parks (all maintained to a high standard) which must make Montrose a wonderful town in which to raise children. Add to these the magnificent strand (beach), the cleanliness of the footpaths and streets, the absence of litter and graffiti – with one notable exception, the kiosk-like structure opposite Burns Statue on Marine Drive which is defaced with magic marker graffiti. Surely it should be easy to remove this!
However, we found that the glory of Montrose resided in the PEOPLE. We met with kindness and good humour everywhere we went, be it in the Old Kirk, shops, pubs, hotels, restaurants and offices (I’m thinking here of Andrene Stewart and her staff at the Registrar of Births, Marriages and Deaths), and even those people we met casually on the street. When we went to Union Street people came out of their homes to talk to us; Likewise, Ian Taylor (the Auctioneer of Panmure Row) who spotted us taking photos and then spent twenty minutes chatting to us despite the fact that he had an urgent meeting in Aberdeen. Lastly, we thank you – for the interest you showed in us and for the help you willingly gave. We appreciated it.
Best wishes
DAVID SMITH
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Here is the picture of the Smith grave. However I will try and get another next time I am at the cemetery. Do you already have a photo of the grave for Robert Moir Smith?
I do agree with you :) There are lots of lovely friendly people in Montrose who are very proud of our town. I live just by the Links and go walking there all the time as well as using the kirkie steps. You can tell that a lot of thought went into the design of the area. I think our town is certainly one of the prettiest in Angus.
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Lucia, Thanks again. The photo is perfect - no need to take another one and, yes, I would like a photo of the Robert Moir Smith stone.
Slán
David
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Here is the Robert Moir Smith grave. I'm glad I could help. :)
- Lucia
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And just for general interest. Here is a view of Montrose from Sleepyhillock Cemetery.
- Lucia
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If anyone can lookup some information about my great great great grandfather, I would really appreciate it!!!!!! I am looking for William Stuart Douglass. The only thing I know is that he was either born in 1779 or 1799 in Montrose. I know he came to the U.S. in 1824 and he was some type of minister. That is all I know about him. Your help would be greatly appreciated!!!!!!!!
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Hi Lucia
I would dearly love a photo of 6 Seagate as an ancestor (Margaret Scott Steel (nee Gordon) lived there in 1861. Before that she was in Castle Street but no number is given. I've looked at Seagate on a friend's Google Earth program but would like a photo. I'm new at this so not sure how photos are transmitted but I guess I'll find out!
Thanks for your offer to help
Ann
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Hi Lucia
I would dearly love a photo of 6 Seagate as an ancestor (Margaret Scott Steel (nee Gordon) lived there in 1861. Before that she was in Castle Street but no number is given. I've looked at Seagate on a friend's Google Earth program but would like a photo. I'm new at this so not sure how photos are transmitted but I guess I'll find out!
Thanks for your offer to help
Ann
Hello,
I am back in Montrose at the weekend so I'll see what I can do. I can post the photo on here or send you it in an email. I will be in touch soon when I am able to get the photo. :)
- Lucia
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If anyone can lookup some information about my great great great grandfather, I would really appreciate it!!!!!! I am looking for William Stuart Douglass. The only thing I know is that he was either born in 1779 or 1799 in Montrose. I know he came to the U.S. in 1824 and he was some type of minister. That is all I know about him. Your help would be greatly appreciated!!!!!!!!
Hello,
What sort of information are you looking for and what do you know so far? Was he a minister in Montrose? Looking through list of previous ministers at Auld Kirk, there is no mention of a William Stuart Douglass.
- Lucia
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I am looking for the names of his parents or grandparents. Actually, any information would help. William Stuart Douglass left Scotland when he was 23 or 24. I am curious as to why he left and who his parents and grandparents were. So I am at ground zero right now. Anything will be a step in the right direction. Thank you!!!!!
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Hi Lucia
For those of us overseas what a treat to have someone local that might be able to discover some details. When I was in Montrose a couple of years ago I visited the local museum that was filled with interesting artifacts. One was this example of Dryleys pottery that was donated by a Mr. Ingram in 1980. Due to privacy, which I completely understand, they were not able to give me any information about Mr. Ingram or the donation. I wondered how he came to be in possession of the pottery as the name on the bowl is the link for me. It might be a long-shot but in Arbroath, in 1861, a widow Jessie Dunbar was living with her two children and working in the flax mill. It is not clear to me how someone would have their name inscribed on pottery or if it was only available to the wealthy. This she was not, so the inscribed Mrs. J Dunbar might only be a coincidence. I don't imagine that Mr Ingram is still alive but am wondering if there is any way I could find further information on this piece or on the naming conventions on Dryley pottery. Regards, Keith.
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Hi Lucia, :),
Only when you have time...& your at Montrose Libaray....could you please perhaps look up the following death /obituary notices for the following people?
David Wilson Johnston...died 27th July 1956 (montrose)...aged 47.
Annie Johnston Wishart...died 6th June 1991 (Montrose).
sorry to ask for 2 look ups ,but i need a clue to the rest of family.
many many thanks ;D
Snowolf
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Hi Lucia
For those of us overseas what a treat to have someone local that might be able to discover some details. When I was in Montrose a couple of years ago I visited the local museum that was filled with interesting artifacts. One was this example of Dryleys pottery that was donated by a Mr. Ingram in 1980. Due to privacy, which I completely understand, they were not able to give me any information about Mr. Ingram or the donation. I wondered how he came to be in possession of the pottery as the name on the bowl is the link for me. It might be a long-shot but in Arbroath, in 1861, a widow Jessie Dunbar was living with her two children and working in the flax mill. It is not clear to me how someone would have their name inscribed on pottery or if it was only available to the wealthy. This she was not, so the inscribed Mrs. J Dunbar might only be a coincidence. I don't imagine that Mr Ingram is still alive but am wondering if there is any way I could find further information on this piece or on the naming conventions on Dryley pottery. Regards, Keith.
Dear Keith,
That is really interesting. I remember looking at that bowl on visits to the museum and wondering myself who Mrs Dunbar could be. I can't say I know a lot about Dryleys Pottery. They used to discard some of the pottery on the sands near the basin so it's still possible to find fragments of it. I have to confess to knowing about as much as you do. I have an idea though. You could contact the Montrose Society and/or local historian Forbes Inglis, who is very helpful on local history. This has piqued my curiosity a bit as I have found another one here: http://nms.scran.ac.uk/database/results.php?field=who&searchterm=%22Dryleys+Pottery+%3F%22&searchdb=scran. It would be interesting to find out something about who these people were.
Lucia
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I am looking for the names of his parents or grandparents. Actually, any information would help. William Stuart Douglass left Scotland when he was 23 or 24. I am curious as to why he left and who his parents and grandparents were. So I am at ground zero right now. Anything will be a step in the right direction. Thank you!!!!!
I hope I can help but I'm not sure how. Where have you looked so far? I've noticed that there's nothing on the IGI but I'm not up to date with what kind of parish records for Montrose are available there.
- Lucia
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Hi Lucia, :),
Only when you have time...& your at Montrose Libaray....could you please perhaps look up the following death /obituary notices for the following people?
David Wilson Johnston...died 27th July 1956 (montrose)...aged 47.
Annie Johnston Wishart...died 6th June 1991 (Montrose).
sorry to ask for 2 look ups ,but i need a clue to the rest of family.
many many thanks ;D
Snowolf
I will definitely have a look when I can as I have a bit of a backlog at the moment but I will get round to it eventually :) It won't take long to look them up anyway. But I should let you know that there might not be a great deal of information in the entries as I have noticed this when searching for the other one. Do you know where these people are buried? If you are looking for graves and have specific enough information then I should be able to have a look for you.
Lucia
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Here is a picture of Montrose High Street during the 1870s.
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Thanks, Lucia, for the quick reply with the links to a similar artifact and to the local historian. I will try and make contact there. It could be a "false positiver" but learning about life in those times is equally interesting. Your time in answering these queries is appreciated. Keith.
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Thanks, Lucia, for the quick reply with the links to a similar artifact and to the local historian. I will try and make contact there. It could be a "false positiver" but learning about life in those times is equally interesting. Your time in answering these queries is appreciated. Keith.
You are welcome. Let me know how you get on. It will be interesting to find out more about this. :)
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Hi lucia,
yes Both John & Annie are buried in SleepHillock Cemetary,Montrose,.
But thought if their death notice was maybe in newspaper (in death coloumn) then it may mention any family like brothers /sisters ect , :),
thanks a million,
Snowolf
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Hi Lucia
I would dearly love a photo of 6 Seagate as an ancestor (Margaret Scott Steel (nee Gordon) lived there in 1861. Before that she was in Castle Street but no number is given. I've looked at Seagate on a friend's Google Earth program but would like a photo. I'm new at this so not sure how photos are transmitted but I guess I'll find out!
Thanks for your offer to help
Ann
Hello,
I am back in Montrose at the weekend so I'll see what I can do. I can post the photo on here or send you it in an email. I will be in touch soon when I am able to get the photo. :)
- Lucia
Dear Ann,
I went for a walk up Seagate a few days ago. I noticed that 6 Seagate doesn't seem to be there anymore (as it was). There are some new builds in that street and I believe only a few of the original houses survive. However I will try and get there again sometime and get some pictures of the area which may interest you. Let me know if I can help in any other way.
- Lucia
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Hi lucia,
yes Both John & Annie are buried in SleepHillock Cemetary,Montrose,.
But thought if their death notice was maybe in newspaper (in death coloumn) then it may mention any family like brothers /sisters ect , :),
thanks a million,
Snowolf
Just to let you know that I will get round to looking this up next week, so I will get back to you soon.
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Hello Everyone,
So sorry I haven't been around for a while - everything is a bit insane in my non-internet life! I wondered if you all could remind me of my duties as I'm still keen to help you all find your ancestors. I haven't forgotten about you all.
Thanks :)
- Lucia
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Dear Lucia
When you have time, you'd offered to take photos of the old houses in Seagate for me. Hope things are going a bit more smoothly for you now.
Regards
Ann
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Hi,
I was wondering if anyone can help. My G G G grandfather was James Thom. According to his death certificate he was born in Montrose in abt 1819 and his parents were John and Jane Thom.
He was a master mariner when he died in 1865 in Victoria Australia. He married Alice Fitzgerald in Hobart Tasmania in 1849.
Are there any records of his baptism or other siblings? Also are there any records of his parents? I know this is very vague but it is all I can go on.
Thanking you
Jane
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Hi Jane
If you don't get any (other) replies from Rootschat, the Angus Archives are wonderfully helpful. It costs 20 pounds for them to do the research but they do a great job and have helped me out a couple of times with my Montrose family.
Regards
Ann
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hi Jane :)
do you have the names of james thom and alice fitzgerald's children ?
ev
PS - found this -
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=P&id=329310
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Dear Ev,
Yes I do know of Alice Fitzgerald's and James Thom's children. Most of them except William I have traced. However I don't know anything of the Thom family from Montrose.
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Dear Ann,
Thanks for the advice I certainly use this resource but I'd like to see if I can get more information to make a more accurate search
Jane
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1841 census in Montrose, Gibson Place is a John Thom, carpenter, b. 1786, Jean Thom b. 1786 and a daughter Jean Thom b. 1826
1851 census in Montrose, 13 River Street is a John Thom, shipwright, b. 1782, daughter Jane Thom, b. 1825 and a grand daughter Anne Robertson, b. 1850
The names Jean/Jane were often interchangeable ... record keeping was not statutory in Scotland until 1855 so before then there is not so much to go on. It doesn't look as if there is a christening record for either 'your' James or the above daughter Jane/Jean.
I can't find any other records for these people - can anyone else?
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Just looked in my MI book ...
Montrose Parish Church
John Thom, carpenter, w Jane Garden 5.5.1845 61, da Eliz 16.10.1844 17 (some text missing) west side MH
This couple were married in Craig in 1804, you can download the (likely scant) details from Scotland's People website.
There is an 1841 census entry for an Elizabeth Thom, aged 10 (ages were often rounded up/down in this census) living in Ramsay Street, Montrose with a Jean Thom, aged 30 ... relationship between the two not stated
There is also a private tree on Ancestry that contains a John Thom born Montrose 1786 ... tree name is 'Anderson Mead November 2010'
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And last bit for now ... on John and Jean Thom's 1841 census return is a Charles Anderson aged 10, born to a Charlotte Thom and a Robert Anderson who were married in Montrose in 1830.
In 1851 Charlotte and Charles are living in Ferry Street, Montrose, she was born 1813
There are family trees for Charles on Ancestry ... he emigrated to Vic.
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hi all :)
there is a david thom born 15th oct. 1804 , baptised 24th oct. 1804 arbroath
angus , parents john thom and jean gardyne
i seem to remember a death for a david thom in Tasmania with a birth year of
1804 :-\
ev
david thom - death 1851 launceston , Tasmania , born 1804
nothing else to make a connection
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Dear Gali and Ev,
Thanks for this information. Who knows if these are links to my line of Thoms? None of the chidren of James Thom and Alice Fitzgerald contain any of the names mentioned. So maybe if I told you their names maybe there might be a clue there.
James, William, Alfred, Emily, Alice Eugenia, Honora Jane and Grace Elizabeth.
From memoryI did notice a James and William Thom seamen in Peterhead in the 1841 census I think.
Jane
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I would like to be of help to anyone looking for ancestors in my area.
Hi Lucia
If your offer still stands, I would very much like to know whether the local Montrose paper reported the death of William M(a)ckenzie in December 1909?
William was born on 13 January 1853, parents John M(a)ckenzie, master flour miller, and Christina Christie, and he followed his father's trade. On 4 August 1875 he married Anne Webster, and they had eleven children before she died on 4 November 1894. William then married Helen Burness Thomson on 12 March 1896. I have the 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911 census listings of his family, and all the relevant certificates except one. He was buried in Rosehill Cemetery on 10 December 1909, and the lair book says he died on 7 December 1909, but there is no death certificate in Montrose or, apparently, elsewhere in Scotland, England or Wales. As all the events in his life took place in Montrose, this seems rather odd.
I could possibly make it to Montrose Library later in the year, but I am ettling to know the answer and would really appreciate your help.