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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Cheshire => England => Cheshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: tedscout on Thursday 15 April 10 08:58 BST (UK)
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Hi I'm hoping someone can help me,
Im looking for Martha James born approx 1825 in Northwich, Cheshire.
I know she came to Australia with ther husband James Farley and their children in 1860, and I know a lot about her life in Australia,but I know nothing about her life in England other than the information I found in the 1851 census.
I hope someone can help me find a baptism and the names of her parents.
Thank you in advance, ;D Ted
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Marriage reg freeBMD
Martha james
James Farley
Jun qtr 1849
Liverpool
20 217
Purchase of marriage cert would give father's name and occupation
Suz
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oooh Thanks Suz that was quick. Another cert to order. Hope GRO on line is working again.
;D Ted
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on www.lan-opc.org.uk .........Lancashire parishes online
marriage 6th April 1849 at St Catherine ,Liverpool
James Farley -Hosier -batchelor of Paradise street
Martha James Spinster of Paradise street
grooms father James Farley -Farmer
brides father William James -Excise Officer
witness -Robert Mackay and Ann McFarlane
married by James North
lucky you Ted........not all church records are online....so....now you need to look for a marriage of
James Farley about 1820 in Liverpool -----------and William James about 1820 in Northwich area
James Farley married Hannah Pendlebury 11 august 1817 at St Nicholas, Liverpool....not necessarily your James Farley...BUT ....it`s the only Liverpool marriage for the father of your James Farley so you cannot dismiss it...keep it on record....
sorry can`t find the babtism of Martha or the marriage of William James......good luck....allan :)
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Hiya Ted
it would seem within 2 years that James had his own business as a merchant
Mary Farley born 31st Dec 1850
babtised 9th March 1851 at Mount Pleasant Chapel ,Liverpool
child of James Farley and Martha (formerly James)
fathers occupation - merchant
babtised by Robert Newton
NO other babtisms up to 1869...I put in a 20 yr search.....so did they come over to Aus with just one child or did they move from Liverpool....my guess as a merchant he would have been doing well in a busy port like Liverpool and went to Aus with one child....do you know how many children they came over with exactly and their names ???..
for the record -Paradise Street where they both lived at their marriage and Mount Pleasant where Mary was babtised are smack bang in the middle of Liverpool City Centre.....a VERY busy place in 1850........allan ;)
just thought on....if William James is an EXCISE officer at Marthas Marriage, he was a Customs officer on Liverpool docks...it gives Marthas address as Paradise St....try and find William James on the 1851 census as an Excise officer and you should get his family...and his wifes christian name....that will make it easier to find Williams marriage....allan
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Wow Allan, You have done so much work for me thank you.
Martha and James came to Australia on the Marco Polo in 1860 with 5 children.
Martha Ann b 1849
Mary b 1850
William James b 1853
Alice Maud b 1855
Henry Charles b 1859
I also know that James was born in Lyonshall, Herefordshire. I have his baptism from IGI dated 13 Marc 1824.
I also have the family on the 1851 census with Mary and Martha Class: HO107; Piece: 2182; Folio: 267; Page: 57;
;D Ted
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This could be james Farley in 1841
Paradise St Liverpool Lancs
Benjamin Hobson 30 Hosier
martha 30 Hosier
James Farley 16
Isabella Garth 20
Ellen Garth 20
Mary Darby 20 Ireland
all born out of county
HO107 562 9 50 46 13
Suz
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Thanks Suz, I think that is him too. I found it about a year ago and wondered why he at 16 was head of the household when Ellen and Mary were 20.
But recently I looked at the original and reallized its a transcription error and he's with Benjamin and Marth Hobson.
They are in Paradise St too as you so wonderfully point out. Thank you.
Although from the 1851 census I thought James' job was a Horse Hay Man but I think it is Hosier ...... Man now that Ive had a better look.
So thank you again for bringing it to my attention. I wonder who Benjamin and Martha are - he obviously trained for his job with Benjamin.
Wonder if I can find Benjamin and Martha in 1851.
;) Ted
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I had a look for benjamin in 1851 -but didn't find him
may be worth looking in directories??
the 1841 census has 1 line after benjamin and Martha and then the other 4 household members
This signifies that the ones after the single line live in the same dwelling but separate to the main family (e.g. servants, lodgers, apprentices
Then there is a double line which signifies end of household
also -re Ellen and Mary being 20 -don't forget ages of adults were rounded down to the nearest 5 years in 1841 census so they could be 20-24 yrs old
Suz
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I couldnt find Benjamin in 1851 census either but I only had a quick look. Martha wasnt there either. ???
Yes I figured similar to you with the census in 1841.
Thanks for looking.
When James came to Australia he became an Auctioneer - far cry from Hosier sales man or Merchant in England wasnt it?
Got to go pick up children from school camp back later. ;D Ted
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good morning all....good work Suz....
what do you think of this Ted / Suz
can`t find a babtism for Martha OR the marriage of William James (Marthas dad) around Liverpool /Lancs
very cleverly Martha names her son after her dads name William James Farley..who Ted says was born in Lyonshall,Herefordshire..........so I am leaning towards Martha / William coming from Lyonshall and Martha went "home" to have William James..and also the first born Martha Ann Farley b 1849 is not on Lan-opc either....what do you both think ?....are we looking for the James family in Lyonshall,Herefordshire for a census return ???.1841 / 1851 ...allan
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I looked at 1841 herefordshire -then looked Lancashire -then looked at all James b out of county they were living in - didn't find what I considered to be a match
Just thought never looked in Wales
I thought with Martha's father being an excise officer they could be living anywhere on the coast near a port!!
Suz
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I have 2 possiblities for Martha James in 1841
One in Chester as a female servent living with a gameskeeper and his wife
Martha James
Age: 20
Where born: Cheshire, England
St Mary On The Hill
Mart Rowarth 60 Gamekeeper
Elizabeth Rowarth 30
Martha James 20 FS
and the other in Liverpool living with a William James who is five years older than her (but we must remember the strange ages in 41 census) and looks to have a job as a Mariner.
Martha James, 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Pall Mall is the address
Other people in house
Elizth Bunins 12
Wm James 25 Mariner
Martha James 20
Henry Jones 25 Mariner
Esther Carrigan 15
HO107/556/15/45/ p 30
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Now could the William she is with be a husband or a brother - spose we will never know which is the right one.
I had another look at Martha Ann's death cert and it has her birth place as Liverpool. Her husband registered the death so it might not be correct.
Anyway back to Liverpool archives to see if I can find her.
;D Ted
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Now could the William she is with be a husband or a brother -
;D Ted
Marriage states she is a spinster
Suz
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I think its a brother too (just trying to keep mind open) - never found any other name used for her except James and Farley.
But guess what I just found - might be the reason they came to Australia
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=L04wAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=james+farley+merchant+liverpool&source=bl&ots=qPPC_OPZW3&sig=W-JS6cmKG7YqbFltLOvj1kbAtP0&hl=en&ei=hDXJS4GHPJDOsgOfqsT3AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=james%20farley%20merchant%20liverpool&f=false
It reads James Farley, Lacemaker and Hosier, dealer and chapman ....... etc. BANKRUPTSY
Now to find the date of the book "The Jurist" mmmmmmm make sure it really is himEdited: year of book is 1851
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Ive found a William James Farley on Free BMD b 1853 in Hackney Middlesex
and a Henry Chalrles Farley parents James and Martha Farley (commercial traveller) baptised 20 Oct 1858. Tower Heights, Middlesex
Is it possible they moved to London after the Bankruptsy problem?????
;D Ted
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in the 1851 census James Farley has his place of birth as LYONSHALL, HEREFORDSHIRE.....
so it was Mary`s in laws she went to to have the baby ...NOT the James family.....allan :-[
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james farley baptised 13th march 1824 lyonshall herefordshire parents listed as james farley and mary.
regards
alli
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Thanks Alli ;D
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Hi
On the family search pilot site there is a Martha James born July 1823 Witton cum Twambrookes daughter of a William and Alice, part of Northwich,known for salt,shipped to Liverpool by barge, may need an excise man to check at point of loading.
http://fsbeta.familysearch.org/
searched Martha James northwich cheshire
John
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Thank you so much John,
I went and read about Witton cum Twambrookes. Fascinating. I wonder if she went with her brother William to Liverpool on a barge and stayed there???????
You are all so helpful thank you for all you have found about Martha and James
;D Ted